Jesus could have been disapproved.

[LeviR]

Well, 1 Timothy 3:16's "God was manifested in the flesh" is actually a later edition. They actually have proof of the edited manuscript. Scholars generally agree this is the case.

Whether or not one believes it is philosophically true is another issue.

In what sense do you believe God manifested in the flesh?

God was manifest in the flesh in exactly how Jesus said he was. By word, deed and spirit.
And the word that is eternal life was manifest in the mortal flesh when Jesus was raised bodily to die no more.

 

[LeviR]

The Bible directly calls the Father the only true God and the Father is a person. (John 17:1-3)

This very basically means God is one person.

And it means the Father is ALONE the one true God. That’s what ONLY means.
Trinitarian doctrine must deny this because their ONLY or ALONE god is three.

 

[LeviR]

The Bible directly calls the Father the only true God and the Father is a person. (John 17:1-3)

This very basically means God is one person.

The word person according to scripture means FACE.
Jesus has a face. He had a face since the day he was born. And still has a face.
He said blessed are those…..for they shall see God. He means the Father because he was standing right there.
The angels of God do always behold the face of my Father in heaven. No one beholds the face of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is not a person.
Everyone who is dead in the grave will be raised with a face.
Both the great God and Jesus will appear with a face.

False doctrine changes the meaning of words to suit what they want.

They did this with the words image and likeness.
They did it when they said angels are without faces.
They did it when they say the breath or spirit of life that was breathed into man, made the man immortal.
They did it to justify a Pope.
They did it when they made their Pope head and Lord of the church on earth.
They did it to justify infant immersion.
They did it by creating a purgatory.
They did it when they created a place where these supposed damned immortal souls spend all eternity suffering.
And they did by creating a Trinitarian god.

 

[LeviR]

The idea of calling the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost is to give the Holy Spirit the philosophical idea of personhood.
Like the ghost of a dead person would remain a philosophical person.
They transfer this idea when it’s said God is Spirit. And they make God a philosophical person.
In making the Father a ghost and immaterial philosophical person, they say He is everywhere.
His holy habitation in heaven becomes nonsense.
It also means that there are two ghosts that exist everywhere and thus make the idea of being sent and coming from the Father in heaven more nonsense.
It makes the idea of Jesus ascending to the Father more nonsense.
It makes Jesus to be the only one in heaven with a face. And therefore the only Biblical person in heaven.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The idea of calling the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost is to give the Holy Spirit the philosophical idea of personhood.
Like the ghost of a dead person would remain a philosophical person.
They transfer this idea when it’s said God is Spirit. And they make God a philosophical person.
In making the Father a ghost and immaterial philosophical person, they say He is everywhere.
His holy habitation in heaven becomes nonsense.
It also means that there are two ghosts that exist everywhere and thus make the idea of being sent and coming from the Father in heaven more nonsense.
It makes the idea of Jesus ascending to the Father more nonsense.
It makes Jesus to be the only one in heaven with a face. And therefore the only Biblical person in heaven.

The use of "Holy Ghost" in older translations of the Bible, such as the King James Version (KJV), compared to "Holy Spirit" in more recent translations, can be attributed to changes in the English language over time.

1. Historical Language Usage: In Early Modern English, the word "ghost" was commonly used to refer to the spirit or soul. The term "ghost" in this context comes from the Old English word "gāst," which means "spirit" or "breath." Over time, the word "ghost" has come to be more closely associated with the spirits of the dead or supernatural apparitions.
2. Evolution of Language: As English evolved, the term "spirit," derived from the Latin "spiritus," became more prevalent and came to be the preferred term for referring to the third person of the Holy Trinity. This shift reflects changes in vocabulary and nuances of meaning in the English language.
3. Modern Usage: Modern translations, such as the New International Version (NIV) and the English Standard Version (ESV), use "Holy Spirit" to align with contemporary language and understanding. The term "spirit" avoids the confusion and connotations that "ghost" might carry for modern readers.

In summary, the change from "Holy Ghost" to "Holy Spirit" in Bible translations reflects the natural evolution of the English language and a desire for clarity and precision in modern translations.

 

[LeviR]

The use of "Holy Ghost" in older translations of the Bible, such as the King James Version (KJV), compared to "Holy Spirit" in more recent translations, can be attributed to changes in the English language over time.

1. Historical Language Usage: In Early Modern English, the word "ghost" was commonly used to refer to the spirit or soul. The term "ghost" in this context comes from the Old English word "gāst," which means "spirit" or "breath." Over time, the word "ghost" has come to be more closely associated with the spirits of the dead or supernatural apparitions.
2. Evolution of Language: As English evolved, the term "spirit," derived from the Latin "spiritus," became more prevalent and came to be the preferred term for referring to the third person of the Holy Trinity. This shift reflects changes in vocabulary and nuances of meaning in the English language.
3. Modern Usage: Modern translations, such as the New International Version (NIV) and the English Standard Version (ESV), use "Holy Spirit" to align with contemporary language and understanding. The term "spirit" avoids the confusion and connotations that "ghost" might carry for modern readers.

In summary, the change from "Holy Ghost" to "Holy Spirit" in Bible translations reflects the natural evolution of the English language and a desire for clarity and precision in modern translations.

Ghost meant spirit with the idea of immaterialism. Which is a very old pagan idea. The same idea exist today.
The original pagan idea was that the spirit of someone who died would remain alive in the immaterial realm. Hence, “he gave up the ghost”.
The same pagan idea is taught today in mainstream Christianity.

 

[LeviR]

Basically, when mainstream Christians read the Bible, they make no difference between ghost and spirit. Nor do they make any difference between spirit and soul. To them it means the same thing. And it refers to personhood. Immaterial personhood.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Ghost meant spirit with the idea of immaterialism. Which is a very old pagan idea. The same idea exist today.
The original pagan idea was that the spirit of someone who died would remain alive in the immaterial realm. Hence, “he gave up the ghost”.
The same pagan idea is taught today in mainstream Christianity.

Or, proposing absurd ideas is a way to deal with:

• Fear of the Unknown: The unknown can be unsettling or frightening. Offering an explanation, no matter how absurd, can provide a sense of psychological comfort and reduce anxiety about uncertainty.
• Cognitive Dissonance: Holding conflicting ideas or experiencing uncertainty can cause mental discomfort. Creating an explanation can help resolve this dissonance.

 

[LeviR]

Or, proposing absurd ideas is a way to deal with:

• Fear of the Unknown: The unknown can be unsettling or frightening. Offering an explanation, no matter how absurd, can provide a sense of psychological comfort and reduce anxiety about uncertainty.
• Cognitive Dissonance: Holding conflicting ideas or experiencing uncertainty can cause mental discomfort. Creating an explanation can help resolve this dissonance.

The apostle Paul thought that being dead and in the grave would be preferable to the circumstances he found himself in because the next thing he would be aware of was being alive and with the material risen Lord in a material body himself. The eternal life that exists with Jesus would be manifest in his mortal body also.
Paul understood this because he said if Christ is not risen, then we are not risen, and if not risen your faith is useless.
Which is not what is taught in mainstream Christianity. When a person dies they say he is in a better place. They have been deceived by the ages old pagan idea of ghost.
The only way a face “person” can be in a better place is if he is raised from the dead as Christ was and given eternal life as he was in a spiritual body as Christ has.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The apostle Paul thought that being dead and in the grave would be preferable to the circumstances he found himself in because the next thing he would be aware of was being alive and with the material risen Lord in a material body himself. The eternal life that exists with Jesus would be manifest in his mortal body also.
Paul understood this because he said if Christ is not risen, then we are not risen, and if not risen your faith is useless.
Which is not what is taught in mainstream Christianity. When a person dies they say he is in a better place. They have been deceived by the ages old pagan idea of ghost.
The only way a face “person” can be in a better place is if he is raised from the dead as Christ was and given eternal life as he was in a spiritual body as Christ has.

Where did Paul say that?

 

[LeviR]

Where did Paul say that?

1For we know that if our earthly house(body) this tent, is destroyed, we have a building(body)from God, a house(body)not made with hands(not made from dirt) eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation(body) which is from heaven(born of the Spirit) 3if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked(sinful) for we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

 

[Alfred Persson]

1For we know that if our earthly house(body) this tent, is destroyed, we have a building(body)from God, a house(body)not made with hands(not made from dirt) eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation(body) which is from heaven(born of the Spirit) 3if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked(sinful)4For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

I read that a few times. Paul didn't say "being dead and in the grave would be preferable to the circumstances he found himself". The sentence isn't there.

 

[LeviR]

I read that a few times. Paul didn't say "being dead and in the grave would be preferable to the circumstances he found himself". The sentence isn't there.

The idea is there because his desire is have a body not made from dirt but made a spiritual body. The body God has prepared for him in heaven. Not from the earth. It is only in this way that death can be swallowed up in victory.
It is not swallowed up in victory by being a spirit ghost.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The idea is there because his desire is have a body not made from dirt but made a spiritual body. The body God has prepared for him in heaven. Not from the earth. It is only in this way that death can be swallowed up in victory.
It is not swallowed up in victory by being a spirit ghost.

No, it is not. "Dead and in the grave" isn't there.

18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
NIV 2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling,
3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked.
4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. (2 Cor. 4:18-5:4 NIV)

What Paul said is the antithesis of being dead and in the grave.

Paul speaks of being clothed in with eternal life via a "heavenly dwelling", not a rotting corpse in a grave.

 

[LeviR]

No, it is not. "Dead and in the grave" isn't there.

18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
NIV 2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling,
3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked.
4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. (2 Cor. 4:18-5:4 NIV)

What Paul said is the antithesis of being dead and in the grave.

Paul speaks of being clothed in with eternal life via a "heavenly dwelling", not a rotting corpse in a grave.

In order to be clothed with a spiritual body, one has to first destroy the earthly body and stick in a grave somewhere.
To be dead and stuck in the gates of hell is required in order to be released from that prison house.
No one is aware of being locked in hell or in prison or the grave, same thing, until they are unlocked and released. The prison house is the first requirement.

 

[Alfred Persson]

In order to be clothed with a spiritual body, one has to first destroy the earthly body and stick in a grave somewhere.
To be dead and stuck in the gates of hell is required in order to be released from that prison house.
No one is aware of being locked in hell or in prison or the grave, same thing, until they are unlocked and released. The prison house is the first requirement.

The wicked die, spend time in hell and then are raised in abominable resurrection bodies reeking of corruption, worm ridden bodies that burn on the imprisoned soul trapped within. Unlike the TV show "The Walking Dead", these carcasses cannot walk to less tormenting regions of Gehenna, where they are piled up like trash burning in unquenchable fire.

43 'And if thy hand may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee maimed to enter into the life, than having the two hands, to go away to the gehenna, to the fire -- the unquenchable --
44 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.
45 'And if thy foot may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee to enter into the life lame, than having the two feet to be cast to the gehenna, to the fire -- the unquenchable --
46 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.
47 And if thine eye may cause thee to stumble, cast it out; it is better for thee one-eyed to enter into the reign of God, than having two eyes, to be cast to the gehenna of the fire --
48 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched;
49 for every one with fire shall be salted, and every sacrifice with salt shall be salted. (Mk. 9:43-49 YLT)

That is what happens to all who insert darkness into God Holy Word the Bible, who add to its teaching their own hideous thoughts:

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. (Deut. 12:32 NKJ)

Look, all you who kindle a fire, Who encircle yourselves with sparks: Walk in the light of your fire and in the sparks you have kindled-- This you shall have from My hand: You shall lie down in torment. (Isa. 50:11 NKJ)

Paul spoke of our hope to be clothed with a heavenly dwelling, not decaying carcasses in the grave. You are sadly mistaken.

16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. (2 Cor. 4:16-5:1 NIV)

 

[LeviR]

The wicked die, spend time in hell and then are raised in abominable resurrection bodies reeking of corruption, worm ridden bodies that burn on the imprisoned soul trapped within. Unlike the TV show "The Walking Dead", these carcasses cannot walk to less tormenting regions of Gehenna, where they are piled up like trash burning in unquenchable fire.

43 'And if thy hand may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee maimed to enter into the life, than having the two hands, to go away to the gehenna, to the fire -- the unquenchable --
44 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.
45 'And if thy foot may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee to enter into the life lame, than having the two feet to be cast to the gehenna, to the fire -- the unquenchable --
46 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.
47 And if thine eye may cause thee to stumble, cast it out; it is better for thee one-eyed to enter into the reign of God, than having two eyes, to be cast to the gehenna of the fire --
48 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched;
49 for every one with fire shall be salted, and every sacrifice with salt shall be salted. (Mk. 9:43-49 YLT)

That is what happens to all who insert darkness into God Holy Word the Bible, who add to its teaching their own hideous thoughts:

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. (Deut. 12:32 NKJ)

Look, all you who kindle a fire, Who encircle yourselves with sparks: Walk in the light of your fire and in the sparks you have kindled-- This you shall have from My hand: You shall lie down in torment. (Isa. 50:11 NKJ)

Paul spoke of our hope to be clothed with a heavenly dwelling, not decaying carcasses in the grave. You are sadly mistaken.

16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. (2 Cor. 4:16-5:1 NIV)

People pit the Scripture against itself to attempt to prove what they want.
Paul’s hope, and therefore anyone like him, was the hope of resurrection from the dead with a spiritual body that never dies. As he said, that is how death is swallowed up in victory.
He did not want to be clothed again in the same body he had because that body is naked. Meaning it’s sinful.
Paul explains this very nicely in 1 Cor 15
The only ones to be raised with the same body they had are those who have entered covenant with God and who did not remain faith to that covenant.
They are thrown into a fire that cannot be quenched. It will burn until there is nothing left to burn. And worms are said to exist in the same way. When worms eat a corpse, they do so until there is nothing left of it to eat.
Many people in covenant with God have been in the grave for thousands of years. Turned again to dust.

 

[Alfred Persson]

People pit the Scripture against itself to attempt to prove what they want.
Paul’s hope, and therefore anyone like him, was the hope of resurrection from the dead with a spiritual body that never dies. As he said, that is how death is swallowed up in victory.
He did not want to be clothed again in the same body he had because that body is naked. Meaning it’s sinful.
Paul explains this very nicely in 1 Cor 15
The only ones to be raised with the same body they had are those who have entered covenant with God and who did not remain faith to that covenant.
They are thrown into a fire that cannot be quenched. It will burn until there is nothing left to burn. And worms are said to exist in the same way. When worms eat a corpse, they do so until there is nothing left of it to eat.
Many people in covenant with God have been in the grave for thousands of years. Turned again to dust.

You don't know what scripture teaches about Christian resurrection:

1. Physical Resurrection: Just as Christ's resurrection involved His physical body being raised from the dead (Luke 24:39; John 20:27), believers also expect a physical resurrection, not just a spiritual one.
2. Glorified Body: The resurrected body will be transformed and glorified, free from mortal limitations and corruption. This is emphasized in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, where Paul describes the resurrected body as imperishable, glorious, powerful, and spiritual.
3. Continuity and Change: The resurrected body will retain continuity with the earthly body (it is the same person), but it will be changed and perfected. This is illustrated in 1 Corinthians 15:53-54, which speaks of the perishable putting on imperishability and the mortal putting on immortality.
4. Immortality: The resurrected body will be immortal and no longer subject to death, as Christ's resurrection conquered death (Romans 6:9; Revelation 21:4).
5. Likeness to Christ: Believers will be made like Christ in His resurrection. Philippians 3:21 states that Christ "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like His glorious body," indicating a transformation to a body like Christ's resurrected body.
6. Hope and Assurance: The resurrection of the body provides hope and assurance to believers, as it is a promise of eternal life and victory over death, grounded in the resurrection of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Peter 1:3-4).

In summary, the Bible's concept of the resurrection of the body "like the body Christ was raised in" involves believers being physically resurrected with glorified, imperishable, and immortal bodies, transformed to be like the resurrected body of Jesus Christ.-ChatGPT

 

[LeviR]

You don't know what scripture teaches about Christian resurrection:

1. Physical Resurrection: Just as Christ's resurrection involved His physical body being raised from the dead (Luke 24:39; John 20:27), believers also expect a physical resurrection, not just a spiritual one.
2. Glorified Body: The resurrected body will be transformed and glorified, free from mortal limitations and corruption. This is emphasized in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, where Paul describes the resurrected body as imperishable, glorious, powerful, and spiritual.
3. Continuity and Change: The resurrected body will retain continuity with the earthly body (it is the same person), but it will be changed and perfected. This is illustrated in 1 Corinthians 15:53-54, which speaks of the perishable putting on imperishability and the mortal putting on immortality.
4. Immortality: The resurrected body will be immortal and no longer subject to death, as Christ's resurrection conquered death (Romans 6:9; Revelation 21:4).
5. Likeness to Christ: Believers will be made like Christ in His resurrection. Philippians 3:21 states that Christ "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like His glorious body," indicating a transformation to a body like Christ's resurrected body.
6. Hope and Assurance: The resurrection of the body provides hope and assurance to believers, as it is a promise of eternal life and victory over death, grounded in the resurrection of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Peter 1:3-4).

In summary, the Bible's concept of the resurrection of the body "like the body Christ was raised in" involves believers being physically resurrected with glorified, imperishable, and immortal bodies, transformed to be like the resurrected body of Jesus Christ.-ChatGPT

That’s exactly what I said.
Death is swallowed up in victory only by being raised from the dead with a body that never dies. It’s called a spiritual body see 1 Cor 15

 

[Runningman]

Those who deny the Holy Trinity reject the Jesus of Scripture: Jesus knows all things, He proved He knows the future. Recall He predicted Peter would deny Him thrice before a rooster crowed (Mt. 26:75) or that they all would be scattered:

30 "Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God."
31 Jesus answered them, "Do you now believe?
32 "Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
33 "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." (Jn. 16:28-33 NKJ)

Therefore, when Jesus commanded His disciples baptize in the compound unity of the Name of God, Father Son and Holy Spirit, He knew Trinitarians would cite it for proof of the Holy Trinity:

19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (Matt. 28:19-20 NKJ)

Peter didn't "deny" the Trinity. There is nothing to deny because it doesn't exist in Scripture. I assure you, this imagined Trinity is neither explained or described in the Bible.

Peter's speaking against Jesus is forgivable because Jesus isn't God. Contrasted with speaking against the Holy Spirit being unforgivable. Therefore, speaking against God is not equal to speaking against Jesus.

Matthew 12
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.