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Could Satan repent and be forgiven?
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Alabaster
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They love to see and work the hardest to sideline Christians in their callings and to make them ineffective in their witness, and take glee in seeing lost people go out into eternity without Christ.
As far as hell goes, it is empty, as no one is being judged yet, and when they are, Satan and his demons go first. (Revelation 20)
No one is in hell? When did the rich man get out? You do realize that Baptist, Assemblys, Pentecostals, charismatics, most all christians in general, believe that if a person dies without Christ as Saviour that they go immediately to hell. Do you have another position in this area, and if so,why?
Bob Carabbio
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"So, on a simple picture, we have a main good guy, and a main bad guy. Where does it say that the main bad guy (Satan) cannot just give up? Had enough and throw in the towel? Why can't Satan just say he is sorry and go home?"
For the same reason YOU can't just say you'r sorry, and "Go Home". Somebody had to PAY for your Sin, and it was the MAN Jesus who did just that (Rom 5:15). YOUR sin cost Him His life to save you. Whether you're "Sorry" or not isn't the issue - it's about whether you Repent, Place your faith in Jesus as your Savior, and make Jesus your Lord (which involves dying to your "old man" and Rising in NEWNESS of life in Jesus).
Jesus DIDN'T die for Satan - who isn't even a "man" he's only a created being. Jesus died for HIS Race - Adamic Humanity.
Simple as that.
For the same reason YOU can't just say you'r sorry, and "Go Home". Somebody had to PAY for your Sin, and it was the MAN Jesus who did just that (Rom 5:15). YOUR sin cost Him His life to save you. Whether you're "Sorry" or not isn't the issue - it's about whether you Repent, Place your faith in Jesus as your Savior, and make Jesus your Lord (which involves dying to your "old man" and Rising in NEWNESS of life in Jesus).
Jesus DIDN'T die for Satan - who isn't even a "man" he's only a created being. Jesus died for HIS Race - Adamic Humanity.
Simple as that.
Riverwolf
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I got a chill when I read this answer. Really.
I have no more Satan questions at this time. I want to thank all those who tried their best to explain.
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Alabaster
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You wouldn't believe the chill I got when I heard him say it. I had a demon at the time.
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Alabaster
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No they do not believe that. People are judged before the Great White Throne after the Millennial Kingdom comes to a close, after Satan and his cohorts are judged. The wicked and the dead outside of Christ are then raised to face God.
The rich man is a parable concerning the time after the Judgment.
I appreciate that you described your position, however you can look up Baptist,Assembys of God,Pentecostal,Charismatic, and others on the internet under "what do they believe about hell", and you will find that they do believe that a person who dies without Christ goes immediatey into hell.
Just an observation from your posts that I have read, you seem to take the fundamental position of a born again christian, however you deviate sharply from the rest of us on a few issues. Any particular reason why? I do not know of any "group" of believers who would fit with you on your position of hell and worship, so is it just you or are there others? Just curious.
TRUTH over TRADITION
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This is a complicated concept especially considering the fact that scripture paints a very vague picture of man's adversary, the satan. We do not even know for certain whether the term "Satan" is used to describe one particular entity or if it is used of any and all beings who would act as an adversary or enemy of mankind. Though Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are used to attempt to explain the origin of the devil, careful study will show that neigther text does that as those texts are about men and their kingdoms as opposed to the devil.
We are left to ponder things like whether Peter, when he said, "your adversary the devil (opposer) goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour" was speaking of the entity we think of a the satan or whether was referencing the persecution of the Roman Empire or even the Jews who were as Jesus said in Matthew 23 those guilty of the blood of the holy ones. So what i am saying is that to automatically link devil and satan each time used in scripture with a fallen angel lacks scriptural backing and can lead to erroneous conclusions based on a preconception that lacks merit.
Texts for consideration:
Revelation 20:2, 12:10
- satan: adversary; accuser
- devil: accuser, slanderer
Matthew 16:23
- Peter is called a satan
Colosians 1:20
- speaks of Jesus' bringing even "heavenly things back into a right relationship with the FATHER.
Notes from Historians/Scholars:
"In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan , what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity." [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]
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I went thru all of this to say that the Bible doesn't make it a simple as giving us 1 Good Guy and 1 bad guy. What the Bible does do is tell us of the "Logos" of God and how it affects, has affected, and will affect the destiny of mankind and our world.
Prince
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Hello - No satan can not repent he has already been judged to die (son of perdition)
But even if he could he would not, satan has his own intensions, and why throw in the towel ? Hes winning at the moment...at the moment..
Prince
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Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
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Alabaster
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Frankly, I don't believe that. People who are unsaved do go to hell, as in Hades, or the GRAVE, but Judgment Day has yet to occur. I think you are misinterpreting various denominational statements of belief.
I don't deviate from what the word teaches.
Millions of believers, including many hundreds I know personally, hold to the same views of hell and worship as I do. They coincide with God's word.
sdktlk
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You are correct in that Isaiah and Ezekiel do not support the hypothesis that satan is being spoken of.
It is written, "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy." (Isa 54:16)
And the Lord Jesus said of satan, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (Jn 8:44)
By these two witnesses it is difficult reconcile what the Lord said with respect to the devil, "...from the beginning..." and, "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee..." (Eze 28:15)
And, that being the case, he was and is going to his destiny in the lake of fire, for he will have completed that for which he was created for.
Prince
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Hey
Well I believe in shadow and types thus the person really being spoken of is in the background,like a shadow..lol anyhow I believe many places speak of satan in his prior Glory.
I know most people see this as speaking of some Assyrian leader, but not me.
3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
4The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
5Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
7Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 10Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
Yes, theoretical he can. But our omnipotent God once sees through the future and told us that he won't. That's the problem.
This is my take on it. Satan's is a vanity being filtered out through the flesh of men. This vanity is a consequence of circumstance, predicated on an ignorance of God that is the subsequent product of being created and defining the difference between Creator and creation. Hence pride goeth before a fall. Satan cannot repent because he was made without the ability to Love. Read Job chapter 41. There is more I could say but it would be lengthy.
Jesus said that satan did not abide in the truth,meaning that satan was once in truth and departed from truth, having been created by God and in truth(at one time)so satan would have had the ability to love.
I'm sure we are looking at two differing interpretations of scripture, for John 8:44 says he abode not in the Truth because there was no Truth in him.
First, if God had created satan with no truth in him then God would have created an evil creature,so satan had to have originally been good. The word ABODE(means to stand),so satan had to have originally ABODE in the truth. Read it this way, satan abode not in the truth(did not stay in truth). End of sentence,now. Because there is no truth in him when he speaks a lie from his own he speaks for a liar he is and the father of it,two different statements. First statement is that satan did not stay in truth, second statement is that satan is the father of the lie.
To say that satan did not stay(stand )in the truth because there is no truth in him, is like saying I did not remain dressed because I was always naked(in order not to remain dressed I first had to be dressed)...satan had to first abide in the truth before he could not abode in the truth,you cannot leave something you were never a part of.