Could You Recognize Christ if He Did Return

[kerravon]

kerravon,
You are very right in your last 2 posts. The world is being led by the most anti bible force you can imagine and they call themselves Christians. Not that anyone else got it right either but they are way off course, travelling in the opposite direction.

Hey, you're a harsher critic than me! I wouldn't go that far. America's current ideology, as shown in Iraq, is DAMN CLOSE to perfection. Remember during the 3-week war when in Najaf, the heavily-armed US soldiers were confronted with unarmed Iraqis who were as mad as hell about something (turned out they heard a rumour that the Americans were going to blow up their mosque or something). The US soldiers kneeled down, then retreated. The only time they ever retreated during the war. The sight doesn't get any more beautiful than that. God is proud.

 

[Jake99]

[quote="The First Witness":e5cf0]What if the son of Man is already here and we cannot recognize him?

When He flashes from the east to the west, we will see Him.

We need to remember that Jesus is not coming this time as a defenseless Baby in a manger. He is coming as the Conquering King and there will be not one person that will be able to deny Him this time. Every single knee will hit the dirt on that day.

[/quote:e5cf0]

A man that was not seen as he conquered is just as hard to believe possible as the king who says he is the one when he is finished. Jesus came out of nowhere at age 30 and yet he lived and performed miracles among you. If you expect to get what he has to offer, will you seek what he tells you to find? The residue is carved in stone. Flashes are hard to identify they happen so quickly. It takes a master of deception and illusion to conquer all without killing or being revealed.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

We need to remember that Jesus is not coming this time as a defenseless Baby in a manger. He is coming as the Conquering King and there will be not one person that will be able to deny Him this time. Every single knee will hit the dirt on that day.

God does not want to see you on your knees. He wants you to be free.

Oh, but how free I am. I am free in Him and because of that I WANT to hit my knees in worship. On that day EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Some will do it grudgingly. Some, like myself will do it in awe and wonder and love for the One who took my penalty. I am very free.

 

[kerravon]

[quote="Lyric's Dad":c42b4]
We need to remember that Jesus is not coming this time as a defenseless Baby in a manger. He is coming as the Conquering King and there will be not one person that will be able to deny Him this time. Every single knee will hit the dirt on that day.

God does not want to see you on your knees. He wants you to be free.

Oh, but how free I am. I am free in Him and because of that I WANT to hit my knees in worship. On that day EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Some will do it grudgingly. Some, like myself will do it in awe and wonder and love for the One who took my penalty. I am very free.[/quote:c42b4]
I think most will not even see him staring them in the face.

It remains to be seen.

 

[Vic C.]

LOL, we went from identifying Christ's second advent to justifyinh Iraqi war. Nice. :-D

Did you watch the Iraqi torture videos? Real people had to actually LIVE that. Is it too much to ask for you to merely WATCH it? There was nothing funny about it. It was the most serious challenge of our time. I accepted the challenge.

Calm down, my friend. I saw them when they first came out. Who's laughing? I was smiling at how the subject turned. Anyone who has been here for the year or two, knows how I feel about this war. So please don't assume I am against it right away.

Oh, while we're at it, lets try and get back on topic please.

Thank you. :-D :-D

 

[Jake99]

The right will be wrong and the wrong will be right. If you think war is the answer to achieving peace as Boy George does then you make up at least half of the US. Then if you believe in gambling and selling which is what runs the US and world economy well that could not be further from the bible. So all of you Christians and other religions who run this game should beware for you are in the wrong on judgement day. Let me also say that it was the christians of the U.S. who contributed the most when it came to technology which in the end is what saves us. Stop doing the bad things and do an even better job at the good things and all will be right after judgement day. I thank everyone for their sacrifice but its time to change the bath water which is the chaotic systems of this world. Interesting that the terrorists have hit the sellers, taxman, militaries, moneychangers, judges and financial systems of the world so hard, looks like gods hand to me.

 

[Vic C.]

I just split the off topic posts to here...
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... highlight=
Jake, if you would be so kind as to copy your post to there, I would greatly appreciate it. :angel:

 

[Jake99]

Kerravon,

The savior leads by example, which is to say that all that mankind fails at he will succeed at. What part don't the christians understand? Ownership. They and all the others have divided the land that does not belong to them. It belongs to all of us in its entirety which means possession is illegal in terms of human rights. We need to manage this world together because it cannot be sold to anyone person. Once you start selling it leads to selling whatever you can, drugs, skin etc just to stay alive. Selling of your efforts on the other hand is simply a reward for service and that is legal. And the Christians rely heavily on gambling in order to run the failing system they operate, not very christ like but they are asleep and think its the way. They expect the savior to stand behind them which is why they refuse to accept him when he does not. He loves them its their system he does not approve of.

 

[kerravon]

If you think war is the answer to achieving peace as Boy George does then you make up at least half of the US.

War is often the answer to ending holocausts. Least worst option for improving the world. Similar to calling the police to stop a rape in progress.

Then if you believe in gambling and selling which is what runs the US and world economy well that could not be further from the bible.

The free market (capitalism) is NATURAL.

So all of you Christians and other religions who run this game should beware for you are in the wrong on judgement day.

And there's no judgement day either. That's just scaremongering from the same people who said to stone your own children if they misbehave. ALL of us are NATURAL ANIMALS. We do not sin. We obey our genes and react to our environment using our imperfect logic skills.

 

[kerravon]

LOL, we went from identifying Christ's second advent to justifyinh Iraqi war. Nice. :-D

Did you watch the Iraqi torture videos? Real people had to actually LIVE that. Is it too much to ask for you to merely WATCH it? There was nothing funny about it. It was the most serious challenge of our time. I accepted the challenge.

Calm down, my friend. I saw them when they first came out.

These torture videos didn't "come out". They are ones taken by Saddam's thugs as they tortured Iraqi people. Please watch them. E.g. you can see one guy, handcuffed, getting pushed off the roof of a building. Another guy has his fingers chopped off. Other Iraqis had their tongues cut out. See the link on the left-hand side of http://www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com

 

[kerravon]

Can I boldly suggest that Jesus II would have done the following:

1. Noticed that many people calling themselves Christian, far from turning the other cheek and loving thy enemy, were in fact active aggressors. Jesus II would have wondered why these people weren't following Jesus I's example, and looked for a scientific explanation for this behaviour, and also sought to rewrite the bible in a more succinct form, learning the lessons of the last 2000 years of divergence from Jesus's example.

2. Sought to improve this world rather than wait for everything to be fixed in the next. Improving this world by concentrating on fixing the INSTITUTIONS rather than simply temporarily raise the living standard of people in poor countries, and watch money being squandered by corruption.

I believe he would have shown his hand in the aftermath of Operation Iraqi Freedom, trying to solve the problem with Muslims, desperately attempting to ensure that Iraq didn't become a failed state so that the Iraqi people didn't lose their human rights again. He would have tried to find the common denominator between good Christians, good Muslims and good atheists, so that these core values could be exported to the rest of the Middle East.

Does that sound like what you would expect from Jesus II?

 

[The First Witness]

I totally agree.
He, Jesus II or the son of Man would lead by example.
And, may be recognizable by this and other attributes.

One small point for conjecture...does He know his destiny?
I do not think so. He may aquire a good idea of it.
But, He was not born with this idea.

 

[kerravon]

I totally agree.
He, Jesus II or the son of Man would lead by example.
And, may be recognizable by this and other attributes.

So WHERE would you find him, trying to ensure that Iraq didn't become another failed state with associated human rights abuses?

One small point for conjecture...does He know his destiny?
I do not think so. He may aquire a good idea of it.
But, He was not born with this idea.

Yes, I believe he was not born knowing who he was. But he would have been seriously and inexplicably interested in solving humanity's problems, at the expense of his personal life.

 

[The First Witness]

""""seriously and inexplicably interested in solving humanity's problems," so he may have said something like this....He did say:



“I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal that I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.â€Â

at the expense of his personal life.""""

 

[kerravon]

"I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal that I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.â€Â

This is only part of the puzzle - being against racism. You can see the full picture at:

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005 ... beast.html

In order to win the War on Terror, it was necessary to find out the basic differences between a country like Australia and a country like Saudi Arabia, while noting that Iraq showed that there were good Muslims as well as good Christians and good atheists. And it was also necessary to present those differences in terms that a tribal person could understand.

 

[kerravon]

So WHERE would you find him, trying to ensure that Iraq didn't become another failed state with associated human rights abuses?

The place to look was the Iraqi blogs. Where you can see him trying to figure out why some Iraqis were happy to be freed while others weren't. Jesus II has already revealed himself - in the Iraqi blogs. You just need to look. And open your heart.

 

[Jake99]

Kerravon and First Witness,

You are totally correct about Jesus II and what he would do, and it is an honor to hear your understanding on the subject.

And if a man did all of the things that the bible and your understanding of what he would do came forward, would you be smart enough to look at the facts? Or would you say that he is nuts and not even trust in his word of honor? That I say is what happened the last time he stepped forward. He can clarify and unify by using all of the religious books and satisfy the failsafe mechanism that proves his identity. He has an invisible bubble around him and a suit of armor, a chariot and a mule and he speaks in tongues with fire from his mouth. He knows who he is from childhood and he makes great use of his abilities. He stands against and yet for as he demonstrates the manner in which the bible is intended to guide. He leaves a trail of miracles in his wake and yet few really understood what happened because it happened so fast. Demonstrate and then reveal that is the prophesy that performs the moment of the second coming.

 

[kerravon]

Kerravon and First Witness,

You are totally correct about Jesus II and what he would do, and it is an honor to hear your understanding on the subject.

few really understood what happened because it happened so fast.

Yes, you're right. But the thing is - IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED! Do you know where to look?

 

[The First Witness]

I know where I'd look. He indicated many times "every eye shall see him and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of him. He therefore had to wait for the internet....this global village. We therefore should seek/watch/search for him on the global stage, He will be like lightning in the sky that lights it up from one end to the other...He will be everywhere, TV, books, autobiographies, shrines, commertials, Posters, world wide websites,Tabloids, CNN etc. So what tools should we use when we look for him. I think he told us...wisdom and understanding Proverbs 9-10 "If you know see the Holly One you have understanding". He also sent us the answer..Two Witnesses, they are the answer... things are just hidden in plain view, therefore we must witness ...what....I think we must be prepared to stand and testify in a cort of law to declare on the strenght of personal observation that something is true.... that it is him.

Our individual understanding of them, God, son of Man and the Two Witnesses will burst his bubble. The three are connected and linked. To see one is to see them all....have them revealed to you.

History does repeat. It will not be easy. He told us the truth. Not every one that says Lord Lord ( the Many) will see him.

Kerravon, I'd be interested to hear why you think it has already happened. The global stage has just been built, there is no way that 4-5-6 billion people, all races languages etc. can see him without using it. Where would you look?

 

[kerravon]

Kerravon, I'd be interested to hear why you think it has already happened. The global stage has just been built, there is no way that 4-5-6 billion people, all races languages etc. can see him without using it. Where would you look?

The test for us was Iraq.

After Iraq was liberated, Iraqi blogs started popping up, and for the first time in history we could start seeing what the Iraqis REALLY thought. It was a momentous occasion in world history. Jesus II was there. You could see him on the blogs, desperately questioning the Iraqis to make sure we didn't see a return to the dark days when Saddam had INSTITUTIONALIZED RAPE. There were quite a number of westerners questioning the Iraqis, trying to find out if democracy would work for them and if any changes in tactics were required to ensure that the Iraqis kept their freedom. But one voice stood out. One person had devoted their entire life to solving the riddle of why the Arabs didn't have a single democracy between them. One voice was desperate to ensure that the human rights of Iraqis didn't get lost again - something that every westerner should have been trying to ensure, but for some reason only a few were. I was in the Iraqi blogs. I saw it happen before my very eyes. How did you not? A lot of the data has been lost forever due to software glitches. But some of the data remains. For those who wish to see.