Could You Recognize Christ if He Did Return

[kerravon]

Kerravon, I'd be interested to hear why you think it has already happened. The global stage has just been built, there is no way that 4-5-6 billion people, all races languages etc. can see him without using it. Where would you look?

Ok, here is the answer, all laid out so that you can't possibly miss it:

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005 ... -rank.html

 

[dcookcan]

Well Kerravon, it looks like you've already got some competition in Jake99. Check out the following link to review Jake's claims:

http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4782
Warning - the above link contains objectionable language and questionable content.

You two are going to have to battle it out now in a separate universe to determine which one of you is actually God.

 

[Vic C.]

Well Kerravon, it looks like you've already got some competition in Jake99. Check out the following link to review Jake's claims:

http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4782

You two are going to have to battle it out now in a separate universe to determine which one of you is actually God.

Above link contains questionable and objectionable language. Click on it at you own risk.

dcookcan, please be more discrete in the future; at least add a 'disclaimer' to your post. I will let the link stay, mainly because this is a Forum that usually attracts a more 'adult' audience.

Usually. : : :

 

[Jake99]

First Witness,

You are right about where you will find the savior. On the internet in a forum like this one. The time, place and method is perfect just as his life must be before he tells you who he is and what he has done. The thief in the night brings great gifts everywhere he has ever been. The residue must be overwhelming and the protection, secrecy and abilities unparalleled. Biblically correct in every way and yet not exactly as expected. Jesus I and Jesus II have different missions, but the basics will be the same.

 

[dcookcan]

Above link contains questionable and objectionable language. Click on it at you own risk.

dcookcan, please be more discrete in the future; at least add a 'disclaimer' to your post. I will let the link stay, mainly because this is a Forum that usually attracts a more 'adult' audience.

My humble apologies. The thought ran through my mind as I was posting the link and I did not act on that still small voice. I have made a mental note and will try to give appropriate warning in the future. BTW that website has more than just questionable language. Its religion forum is more of a religion bashing forum.

 

[dcookcan]

Luke 21:7-9

They questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?" And He said, "See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near ' Do not go after them. When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately."

Matthew 24:4-6

And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many. "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.

Mark 13:5-7

And Jesus began to say to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. "Many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He!' and will mislead many. "When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end.

I expect to see more of this 'I am He' business before the 'end' is come.

 

[Vic C.]

My humble apologies. The thought ran through my mind as I was posting the link and I did not act on that still small voice. I have made a mental note and will try to give appropriate warning in the future. BTW that website has more than just questionable language. Its religion forum is more of a religion bashing forum.

Not a problem, my friend. Thanks for understanding. I didn't get too far into that site. Personally, I believe this thread has entered the Twlight Zone and I have lost interest over and above moderating the thread.

Goce, amigo. 8-)

 

[Jake99]

There is a failsafe mechanism that separates the true messiah from the false ones. It is called the ability to perform miracles. Some say Jesus could walk on water and calmed turbulent seas. Bringing the dead back to life and turning chaos into utopia. It is when the man who says "I am" proves who he is that you should follow.

 

[Judy]

There is a failsafe mechanism that separates the true messiah from the false ones. It is called the ability to perform miracles. Some say Jesus could walk on water and calmed turbulent seas. Bringing the dead back to life and turning chaos into utopia. It is when the man who says "I am" proves who he is that you should follow.

In Matthew it says that the Antichrist will show great signs and wonders and if it were possible could even fool the elect.

• Matthew 24:23. "Then if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or `There!' do not believe it.
  24. "For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
  25. "See, I have told you beforehand.
  26. "Therefore if they say to you, `Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or `Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
  27. "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [/*:m:f8871]

 

[Jake99]

The anti christ has been fooling the elect since the beginning of time. I use the word elect as elected officials and leaders as well as so called followers of christ. Don't get me wrong I love the US but the system that the US uses is about as against the bible as it gets. I know it came about by necessity because the world is screwed up but it is still the way of the anti christ. Yes Hitler needed to be stopped and I appreciate it but times have changed and we can convert to the system for living that is recommended in the bible rather than the one that is discouraged.

 

[The First Witness]

"It is when the man who says "I am" proves who he is that you should follow. "I really do not think so. It just does not seem right that He should have to prove Himself to us.

Additionally, that would be to easy. We could all be half asleep, not even sober and we could all just wake up and say there He is. He could have said I will return at such-and-such a time just after any event. Very easy.

This is meant to be one big puzzle. It was designed that way from the beginning. If some one emptied 3 boxes of puzzles on your table could you put then together? The first thing you would have to do is get the box with the picture on it. Without that picture it would be almost impossible to assemble the picture(s). So whats our picture? I think the picture is of Him, if we know, understand, love, feel, ....if we really know him.

To assemble this picture will not be easy. It will take some hard work. We must go down a narrow path and pick and choose the pieces that we want and slowly as things are revealed to us we will snap the pieces into place.


When the picture is assembled it will be perfect. We will just know and feel it's true.

It will then not be nessessary to have miricles.

 

[Jake99]

The First Witness,

I agree with your last post, but each small piece of the puzzle is the failsafe mechanism of proof you are looking for. I remember something about "This I did while you were sleeping." The puzzle is very complex which is why it was scrambled in such a way. You cannot have the picture to assemble with until he reveals who he is and what he did. At which time the narrow path becomes wider with each piece of the puzzle that is assembled. Remember that miracles are his specialty, do not expect miracles from someone who has not already performed them.

 

[kerravon]

Remember that miracles are his specialty, do not expect miracles from someone who has not already performed them.

Being able to perform miracles on demand would mean that people have no option but to accept the second coming of Jesus, and he would potentially become a tyrant. Power needs to be checked. On this earth, Jesus II has no special powers. If you can't recognize his brain and his heart, then you will not see him.

 

[kerravon]

Well Kerravon, it looks like you've already got some competition in Jake99. Check out the following link to review Jake's claims:

http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4782
Warning - the above link contains objectionable language and questionable content.

You two are going to have to battle it out now in a separate universe to determine which one of you is actually God.

Note to Jake - why are you claiming to be God? You're not. I am. What were you doing to ensure that Iraq didn't become a failed state and the Iraqi women started getting raped by their own government again? It was vital that we found out why all Arab countries were dictatorships. The answers were in the Iraqi blogs. Were you participating in the comments section of those blogs to find the answer? Were you desperately trying to secure human rights for the Iraqi people by encouraging the US to continue on their current path and begging the American people to reelect Bush so that the troops weren't prematurely pulled out? Did you discover the secret that I did - that the forces of liberation were in a TRIBE of ANTI-SUBJUGATORS? If so, where's the first recorded incident of you using the phrase "fight subjugation"?

 

[Jay T]

What if the son of Man is already here and we cannot recognize him?

IF...Jesus Christ were in the here and now, every evil person would be gone !
As it is written: 2 Thess. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" In other words, the wicked are destroyed, when...Jesus comes again.

Do you think you could recognize him?

It will be utterly IMPOSSIBLE, not...to recognize Jesus, when He returns to earth !

 

[kerravon]

IF...Jesus Christ were in the here and now, every evil person would be gone !

First of all, there are no evil people. Every human is a product of his genes, his environment and his imperfect logic skills. None of these things are his fault. We are all natural animals, just like lions.

Secondly, you are assuming that Jesus has magical powers able to banish people from the face of the earth. That's not true. If he had such powers people wouldn't have any choice but to listen to him. That is a tyranny.

It will be utterly IMPOSSIBLE, not...to recognize Jesus, when He returns to earth !

Not true. He appears as a normal man, just as the first Jesus did. You can only spot him if you can recognize his brain and his heart. The Iraq war was when he revealed himself, desperately trying to find out why most people in the world weren't looking forward to the end of the Iraqi holocaust. For some reason, the human rights of the Iraqi people hadn't even crossed their minds. Not even for a second. Shocking.

 

[Jake99]

Kerravon and others,

I never said I was god. What I said was that he assists me in order to help you, by fullfilling prophesies and demonstrating ways that create the peace and prosperity that eludes man. I am a very, very talented person with extreme gifts to give and I have always given what I have for free. I agree that no man is evil, it is the ways of this world that guide people down the wrong paths. I just want to guide you down a path that pleases god and takes you to the new world. I have been on the right path and miracles are what is left in my wake. Human rights is what it is about, but Iraq just has different problems than the US and many want to convert them so they have the same problems as the US. I just want to eliminate the problems that the world has with one simple system, just as it says in the bible. You cannot make good people out of stressed out people and 70-90% of all doctor visits in the US are stress related( Dr Don Colbert).

 

[kerravon]

I never said I was god. What I said was that he assists me in order to help you, by fullfilling prophesies and demonstrating ways that create the peace and prosperity that eludes man.

Prosperity doesn't elude man. Centuries of capitalism, and more importantly, rationalism, in the Anglophone countries have led to an incredibly high standard of living. Australia is probably the pinnacle. Peace is eluding man because of ideological clashes. We need to convert everyone into being ANTI-SUBJUGATORS (e.g. via democracy) in order to get peace. ie we need FREEDOM as a precursor to true peace.

I am a very, very talented person with extreme gifts to give and I have always given what I have for free. I agree that no man is evil, it is the ways of this world that guide people down the wrong paths. I just want to guide you down a path that pleases god and takes you to the new world.

The guide to do that is http://www.moatazilla.org. That is what pleases God (ie me). It's a blueprint for world freedom.

I have been on the right path and miracles are what is left in my wake.

If you had been on the right path you would have been desperately trying to secure human rights for the Iraqi people. Ensuring that Iraq didn't become a failed state and end up with women being raped by their own government again. You weren't there. You weren't on the right path.

Human rights is what it is about, but Iraq just has different problems than the US

Yeah, women were being raped.

and many want to convert them so they have the same problems as the US.

No, the people who gave a damn were trying to ensure that Iraq would not become a failed state.

I just want to eliminate the problems that the world has with one simple system, just as it says in the bible.

Capitalism IS one simple system. So simple that it doesn't even need government involvement. It happens all on its own. Also, the bible is not the word of God. The numerous references to stoning, including stoning your own children, should have been enough to make that obvious.

You cannot make good people out of stressed out people and 70-90% of all doctor visits in the US are stress related( Dr Don Colbert).

The US already has mostly good people. Most of them follow the three tenets of http://www.moatazilla.org.

 

[Jake99]

If you think Capitalism is simple you are nuts, the paper trail and laws alone are mind boggling, not to mention the misuse of manpower and materials. Wasteful and criminal is what I call Capitalism. And leading your self as each man for himself is hardly the way, its just the only one that has endured the battle. We are meant to assist each other not compete against each other. And I don't see legally where you even have the human right to own a piece of this planet. Just because you conquered something does not mean you have the right to restrict others from using it. Its time to take the lines off the map, and yes I do believe in streamlined Democracy.

 

[kerravon]

If you think Capitalism is simple you are nuts, the paper trail and laws alone are mind boggling

What paper trail/laws are you talking about? People sell things on Ebay without a moment's thought. People buy things from shops without a moment's thought. It is very simple.

, not to mention the misuse of manpower and materials. Wasteful and criminal is what I call Capitalism.

It has been proven to be more efficient than whatever else anyone has ever tried. If you think you have a better system - then test it out on a hippy farm. Capitalism is freedom. You are free to implement communism etc on a hippy farm, even in a capitalist country. There is no restriction on individuals choosing to run a collective farm. Just do it. Prove to us how great it is, and gradually everyone will join your allegedly super-efficient collective farm.