Could You Recognize Christ if He Did Return

[Jake99]

Kerravon
If you are interested in gradual change then keep following the idiots that run this world like George Bush. We have known for years that New Orleans and other locations were a disaster waiting to happen and yet nothing was done to avoid one. I guess we just can't afford to do the right thing like evacuate the city and all its contents before we kill people and wreck the environment. If its too expensive to move to higher ground how expensive is it to clean up the mess. I say George Bush and all those like him need to be fired immediately for stupidity and lack of leadership ability. I like Ebay technology just fine its the trade between each other that sucks and the inefficient ways that the US does business. You may wish to continue in the stone age but I don't.

 

[kerravon]

Kerravon
If you are interested in gradual change then keep following the idiots that run this world like George Bush.

George Bush has liberated 52 million people from state-slavery.

We have known for years that New Orleans and other locations were a disaster waiting to happen and yet nothing was done to avoid one. I guess we just can't afford to do the right thing like evacuate the city and all its contents before we kill people and wreck the environment. If its too expensive to move to higher ground how expensive is it to clean up the mess.

People are free to live wherever they want. No-one is forcing people to live in New Orleans or on the fault line that Los Angeles is on.

I say George Bush and all those like him need to be fired immediately for stupidity and lack of leadership ability. I like Ebay technology just fine its the trade between each other that sucks and the inefficient ways that the US does business. You may wish to continue in the stone age but I don't.

Trade between each other is as efficient as we know how to do. As I said - if you have discovered a better way of trading, that's great - test it out on a hippy farm and because we live under a free, capitalist system, everyone can start adopting your great new idea.

 

[Jake99]

Kerravon

Just because capitalism is the best system you have tried does not mean it is a good system, it certainly is not what is recommended in the bible in fact it is the opposite. If it was a smart system no one would be living in low lying areas like New Orleans. Do you realize what just happened to the environment in that city? You just poisoned the gulf of Mexico and the gulf coasts of the world. You and your leader Mr. Satan need to be reprimanded and shown the way to the door. You are fired and so is George Bush his father, slick Willy Clinton and all the others that knew this disaster was coming and did nothing to protect the environment which is mine as well as everyone elses. I live in the US and it is run by idiots, murderers, gamblers and thieves.

 

[kerravon]

Just because capitalism is the best system you have tried

No, it's the best system that ANYONE has been able to figure out.

does not mean it is a good system, it certainly is not what is recommended in the bible in fact it is the opposite.

Even if that were true, which I doubt, the bible is not the word of God. Hence the references to stoning your own children to death.

If it was a smart system no one would be living in low lying areas like New Orleans.

This is freedom.

Do you realize what just happened to the environment in that city? You just poisoned the gulf of Mexico and the gulf coasts of the world.

Poisoned? Being a bit melodramatic there.

You and your leader Mr. Satan need to be reprimanded and shown the way to the door. You are fired and so is George Bush his father, slick Willy Clinton and all the others that knew this disaster was coming and did nothing to protect the environment which is mine as well as everyone elses. I live in the US and it is run by idiots, murderers, gamblers and thieves.

Mr Bush has freed 52 million people from state-slavery. For that, he deserves some sort of medal. While you never gave those people a second thought.

 

[Jay T]

It will be utterly IMPOSSIBLE, not...to recognize Jesus, when He returns to earth !

Not true. He appears as a normal man, just as the first Jesus did. You can only spot him if you can recognize his brain and his heart.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. A normal man, huh ?

 

[kerravon]

A normal man, huh ?

The bible is not the word of God. Hence the references to stoning your own children if they are disobedient, and various other offences. You need to use your own brain if you want to recognize the second Jesus.

 

[Jake99]

He appears as a normal man having won many battles and performing many miracles before he reveals who he is. And then of course the smart man becomes the mad man and everyone wants to kill him, AGAIN. The messiah needs to fix this world in an instant and George Bush cant do that. He plans to run the same system that got us into this mess.

 

[kerravon]

He appears as a normal man having won many battles and performing many miracles before he reveals who he is. And then of course the smart man becomes the mad man and everyone wants to kill him, AGAIN. The messiah needs to fix this world in an instant and George Bush cant do that. He plans to run the same system that got us into this mess.

We're not in a mess. Centuries of democracy have had the effect of making our liberal democracies have virtually identical laws. We've all arrived at the same conclusions. Having near-identical laws means that the European Union was able to integrate lots of different countries into one. I believe the same thing needs to happen with the US/Australia/Canada/Japan/South Korea.

 

[Jake99]

Jay T,

When you see JesusII it will be because you believed in him and the bible and looked at the residue he left behind him. Then you will see who he is, but he is a man so he blends in even though his actions and abilities are outrageous and wondrous. I say Pat Buchannan did nothing with his leadership opportunity and was understood by all and JesusII was very successful but misunderstood by all. So the man you are looking for, JesusII is quite the opposite of the leaders that this world follows. The waste, abuse and inefficiency that this world accepts is what the messiah does not accept.

 

[Vic C.]

...When you see JesusII it will be because you believed in him and the bible and looked at the residue he left behind him....

Actually, believing in the Bible, persay, is not a prerequisite.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

[Jay T]

Jay T,

When you see JesusII it will be because you believed in him and the bible and looked at the residue he left behind him. Then you will see who he is, but he is a man so he blends in even though his actions and abilities are outrageous and wondrous. I say Pat Buchannan did nothing with his leadership opportunity and was understood by all and JesusII was very successful but misunderstood by all. So the man you are looking for, JesusII is quite the opposite of the leaders that this world follows. The waste, abuse and inefficiency that this world accepts is what the messiah does not accept.

When Jesus Christ of the Bible returns, He will take those who are loyal to Him, those who love Him...back to heaven with Him, and destroy the rest of mankind....as scripture says.

Those who are destroyed, when Jesus returns, are merely receiving their wish...that they will not have Him, rule over them.

 

[Jake99]

Vic ,

The bible prepares you for the leader who is a bit different as in the opposite of the wolves that have led you here. It also prepares you for a man who stands against with such conviction that you want to kill him instead of listen to him.

Jay T.

Loyal is my actual fathers name but he is not loyal to me. I wish to change him not kill him. Change to the simple system that the bible recommends and be loyal to god and no one has to die in the process.

 

[Vic C.]

Vic ,

The bible prepares you for the leader who is a bit different as in the opposite of the wolves that have led you here. It also prepares you for a man who stands against with such conviction that you want to kill him instead of listen to him.

Jake, I was just pointing out the difference between believing the Bibla as opposed to believing IN the Bible. The Bible is a collection of books. I don't believe in a book. I do however, believe in what that book tells me. See the distinction?

 

[Jake99]

Vic
I see the distinction, I assumed that belief was in what the bible says not its material being. What it says is pretty wild as far as what kind of a man JesusI was and what JesusII is going to be. Its also pretty wild on how the end will come about. Meaning the end of this world and the beginning of the next. Do you believe in the theoretical and actual execution of prophesy? And would you be surprized if JesusII was wilder and more capable than JesusI? After all JesusII has 2000 years of new technology at his disposal.

I just realized why it is tough to remember what this thread is about because it does not list the subject or topic on the reply page. Just a thought on why some conversations drift from the original topic, not that it matters to me but in theory its probably a good idea to stay near the topic.

 

[Jay T]

Vic
I see the distinction, I assumed that belief was in what the bible says not its material being. What it says is pretty wild as far as what kind of a man JesusI was and what JesusII is going to be. Its also pretty wild on how the end will come about. Meaning the end of this world and the beginning of the next. Do you believe in the theoretical and actual execution of prophesy?

And would you be surprized if JesusII was wilder and more capable than JesusI? After all JesusII has 2000 years of new technology at his disposal.

If you are meaning that the Jesus who is coming again...will display HIMSELF in full, GODLY GLORY.....Yes !

The first time He came, was to live a life as a man, using no Godly power whatsoever, will be entirely different from HOW He will come again, Yes.

 

[Jake99]

Godly power is the wisdom, courage and ability to do what all others have not been able to do. And to do what the bible says the messiah will do prior to telling everyone who he is. He is cloaked, hidden, and yet right in plain view when he performs miracles and prophesies and yet you see nothing until he wants you to. So even after the wild and crazy things that he does, and the miracles that are left in the residue of his presence, he has to wake you up and say "here I am". He is not a normal man but he does somehow blend in, maybe people are calling him a madman instead of a genius. If a man spoke to you in tongues with grandiose ideas and claims of being the messiah would you listen? "Kill him" is more likely to be his welcome into this world as it was the last time. Its Deja Vu, all over again.

off topic: Jake: 11: 23-35 Boston Red Socks and N/E Patriots to repeat is my prediction.

 

[The First Witness]

Hey Jake 99:
I think you are right on. Except he is not going to wake us up and say "Here I am" He already has commanded us to stay sober, seek, and do not even sleep. Therefore, He will let you sleep and will not beg us, and say Here I am. He has pored out his essence, and has added help from the Two Witnesses, if we cannot see/know Him after all this, then we have definitely fallen away.

This was all planned from the beginning, the first and second coming are part of a system, coupled and linked events that are meant to teach us by establishing and repeating a pattern...give us a second chance.

We all talk the talk. The time is coming when we must make up our mind (He will insist) and walk the walk.

 

[PHIL121]

It will be utterly IMPOSSIBLE, not...to recognize Jesus, when He returns to earth !

Not true. He appears as a normal man, just as the first Jesus did. You can only spot him if you can recognize his brain and his heart.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. A normal man, huh ?

Plus, look at Rev 19:11-13

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."

Seems pretty reconizable to me

 

[Jake99]

Phil, In reference to Rev 19: 11-13 as you wrote it.

If his bloody robe was clear to see it would not take much to identify who he is. Only he knows who he is and only the word of god can identify him to you. This is why he asks "who do you say I am", to see if he will be revealed to you by god, for even his miracles have not woken any one up. He would gladly reveal himself to people he has trusted until someone took him seriously and saw the light. The extensive sequence of events from his birth through manhood can be done without you seeing or knowing who he is. He flies and walks on water and yet it is done discreetly so you don't understand or you call it luck. So even with a bloody robe from a public beating after claiming to be the christ right at Y2K, he gets nailed to the cross, right before your eyes and you see nothing. Its theoretical and also actual but all of it is hidden until he is done. The man in the bubble, with the suit of armor, sworded tongue and bow and arrows drives his chariot or rides his mule to court and takes a beating for you as an innocent man. They cannot whip you or nail you to a cross in this day and age so the demonstration must be cleverly comparative.

First witness,
I spent a half hour or more reading the highlights and cover of the book you recommended about Nelson Mandella and I see nothing but suffering and rebellion from a lawyer who was raised in poverty and got his butt kicked in court. And I still see a country and a region that is out of control after he passed through. Hardly the peace and prosperity Christ leaves behind as he flies past you unseen.

 

[PHIL121]

Phil, In reference to Rev 19: 11-13 as you wrote it.

If his bloody robe was clear to see it would not take much to identify who he is. Only he knows who he is and only the word of god can identify him to you. This is why he asks "who do you say I am", to see if he will be revealed to you by god, for even his miracles have not woken any one up..

OH my...I see why I keep you on ignore! :roll:

Once again a piece of scripture taken waaaaaayyyyy out of context to promote a position that is unscriptural in the first place.