Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.

[RedPill]

And so, the OP is entirely apropos:

Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.

If your "government" tells you to take more shots, then you must obey your government.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Free]

And so, the OP is entirely apropos:

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If your "government" tells you to take more shots, then you must obey your government.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Please stop misusing and abusing Scripture. One shouldn't play so fast and loose with it.

 

[RedPill]

One shouldn't play so fast and loose with [Scripture].

I don't, and neither should you.

The "obey all government" rewrite/retort is a lie.

There is a form of obedience which leads to death (Romans 6):

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

God never commanded people to obey the kings of Israel when those kings turned their backs on him. Our Father put those people into captivity for their disobedience towards him! And he does the same today. The Nazi's at Nuremberg said, "Well, I was just doing my job. I was obeying the government." It's an error to believe that whatever the State says is okay "because it's ordained of God." For those who are true followers of Christ Jesus, the government is on his shoulders (Isaiah 9:6), He is the King of kings, and the government is the Kingdom of God. It's a government of peace and the only government that will not end:

Isaiah 9:7, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,"

All man-made governments come to an end, so they are obviously not the "higher power." We have to obey the government that's always been here and always will be here.

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty himself. We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions:

Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

Also,

Psalms 2:1-3, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

There's no Godly ordination there.

When Haman the wicked was promoted to the highest position in Persia, and second only to the king, the book of Esther tells us "Ahasuerus....set his seat above all the princes that were with him" (Esther 3:1). The scriptures go on to say that "all the king's servants....bowed, and reverenced Haman: for the king had so commanded him" (Esther 3:2).

Yet we see the Jewish Mordecai, who is clearly an instrument for good in the tale, refuses to bow or revere Haman in any way. This action comes into direct conflict with what is commonly taught in corporate churches throughout the land, a popular teaching which is usually based on a misread of Romans 13.

That passage flatly states that we are to obey "the higher powers" because these "powers" are all "ordained of God" (Romans 13:1). We further see the passage says anyone that "resisteth" is going to "receive to themselves damnation" (Romans 13:2).

Since Mordecai, and subsequently Queen Esther, are both going to resist the evil plot of Haman, who clearly has the legal authority to commit the heinous crime of genocide, if we listen to the obey all things government mindset, we would have to conclude Mordecai and Esther are damned. It is self evident that this is not the case; and because the "scripture cannot be broken" (so said Jesus Christ in John 10:35), the inconsistency must be in our interpretation.

Consider the similar example of Shadrach, Meschach, and Abed-nego who refused to bow to the image constructed by Nebuchadnezzar. What about Daniel, who was thrown in the lion's den, for refusing to obey the ill advised law of Darius forbidding worship of any God for a month? How about Peter who, in direct coordination with an angel, staged a jailbreak?

Most "Christians" would say it was acceptable for the late Corrie Ten-Boom, a great Christian woman, to disobey the government edict instructing them it was against the law to hide Jews from the Nazis, which she and her family did most heroically. Ironically, those that say it's acceptable to break the law when it involves the Jews are largely dispensational, and believe the Jewish people are still the "chosen" people -- which they are not.

Conversely, those same "Christians" will tell you it's not all right for the Christians to disobey unholy edicts -- unless it involves Jews! This incredible state of scriptural misalignment demonstrates why the world is headed for devastation. The issue really has to do with jurisdiction, authority, and spiritual lineage.

In a widely misunderstood verse, Jesus encountered those that received the tribute money. The tax collectors asked Peter if Jesus was going to pay them tribute money (taxes). Peter was about to pay them when Jesus stopped him. Jesus said "What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free." (Matthew 17:25,26)

As Christians, we are the children of the great God in heaven, so that "now are we the sons of God" (I John 3:2). We are not children of "Caesar" (read Ahasuerus in the Persian example) and are only subject to him insomuch as "he is the minister of God to thee for good" (Romans 13:4).

Mordecai understood that authority is only valid to the degree that it comes from the LORD. When the evil are placed in a position of authority, the children of the king are to "resist the devil, and he shall flee from you" (James 4:7). We would do well to learn from the wonderful example set for us in the book of Esther.

 

[Corn Pop]

Obey your governing authorities so everyone obeys the law that there government establishes or get a penalty, and pay your taxes and give to the government what is the governments., that is just normal, yet because we don't live under tyranny or a King with sole rule, or a dictator all the governing authorities also have to live under the same Law and Constitution and abide by civil and human rights that are written within the Law.

 

[RedPill]

Obey your governing authorities so everyone obeys the law that there government establishes and pay there taxes and give to the government what is theres, that is just normal, and we don't live under tyranny or dictatorship so the governing authorities also has to live under the Law and Constitution and civil and human rights written within the Law.

If you have signed on to that program, then yes, you must fulfill your end of that contract and render unto that master. This would include agreeing to be injected with whatever your master demands (re: the OP and the consequences).

 

[Corn Pop]

I don't see any conflict with being under God and obeying the law under our governments, some man made laws are completely ridiculous, and even hypocritical, but they don't conflict with serving God, unless someone is banned and in some countries it is, like NK, so thats conflict. I don't think Christ wants everyone to obey there authority and worship rocket man and not God.

There is no law where i live that says i must hate my neighbour and im not allowed to believe in or praise Christ or spread the gospel or anything so that's religious freedom.

 

[RedPill]

I don't see any conflict with being under God and obeying the law under our governments

As long as they are one and the same government, then there is no conflict. However, that is not the present situation. As believers, we are to obey only Godly government - not the pretender's - as no man can serve two masters (Mat. 6:24).

For example, Catholics don't believe in abortion, which most think is a righteous stance. But the reason why they don't abort is not because God says it's wrong, but because their pope says it's wrong. So, for Catholics, avoiding abortion will not be counted as a righteous act by God because they're doing it in obedience to the wrong master (two different "governments" = two different masters) - even though there may appear to be no "conflict." We’re even to the point now where many, who would say with their lips they are saved, are actually workers of iniquity. The Holy Bible describes this time in detail. These people are smug in their deception.

We would do well to remember that there is a form of obedience that leads to death: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? (Rom. 6:16). And obedience is better than sacrifice (1 Sam. 15:22).

 

[Corn Pop]

As long as they are one and the same government, then there is no conflict. However, that is not the present situation. As believers, we are to obey only Godly government - not the pretender's - as no man can serve two masters (Mat. 6:24).

For example, Catholics don't believe in abortion, which most think is a righteous stance. But the reason why they don't abort is not because God says it's wrong, but because their pope says it's wrong. So, for Catholics, avoiding abortion will not be counted as a righteous act by God because they're doing it in obedience to the wrong master (two different "governments" = two different masters) - even though there may appear to be no "conflict." We’re even to the point now where many, who would say with their lips they are saved, are actually workers of iniquity. The Holy Bible describes this time in detail. These people are smug in their deception.

We would do well to remember that there is a form of obedience that leads to death: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? (Rom. 6:16). And obedience is better than sacrifice (1 Sam. 15:22).

There is nothing in the law that forces anyone to be ungodly or is serving two masters. The law says do not steal so I do not steal, not because it's written in the law, but because I know morally not to steal from others, if the Law said I could steal I still would not steal because i live with the belief stealing its not good. Law or no law dont change anything. If the law forced me to steal then thats conflicting.

If the Law says abortion out of convienience is banned then women cannot not have an abortion and if the Law says they can have an abortion out of convienience many still would not, same reason, they dont believe its the right thing to do serving God, so legal or not legal they will still live by what they beleive is right, if the law forced them to have an abortion then thats conflicting.

 

[RedPill]

There is nothing in the law that forces anyone to be ungodly or is serving two masters.

Which "law"?

If the Law says abortion out of convienience is banned...

Which "Law"?

...legal or not legal they will still live by what they beleive is right...

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes. (Judges 21:25).

 

[RedPill]

I guess anything that power trippers have passed that tell other people what they can and cannot do, well where i live anyhow.

You "guess"? Are we that unsure? Yeah, they're power trippers, to say the least; because as unbelievers they are truly powerless, so they are bound to settle for second best by attempting to bully the people of God. The test is whether you choose to align yourself with those bullies by coming onboard, coming into agreement with their purported "government." And that's done through contract. Most ppl have no idea that they have a choice as to which master they serve.

Nothing forces anyone and it is not a crime to go against Christs teaching and serve God.

It is a "crime" as far as God is concerned; there are consequences for disobedience to God.

So I must wear a seatbelt as example or get a penalty, that does not go against God even it's just a man made rule.

Since you've voluntarily aligned yourself, via contract, with the ungodly authority, you must obey any duties as per the terms of that contract you signed on with.

I'm not allowed to sit outside and listen to music and watch TV at the local club the state governement said so, completely ridiculous, yet it doesn't prevent me from serving God, even it's just a man made rule.

Again, no man can serve two masters - regardless that you claim one of them is God.

Most don't trust God -- they trust Caesar, believing he is ordained of God. That belief is in grave error. Caesar, like all governments of men, is God's rod of correction to drive you back to God. And right now, we are reaping the tragic consequences of trying to serve two masters (witness the OP).

Godly government = "...rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." (Romans 13:3).

 

[Corn Pop]

Since you've voluntarily aligned yourself, via contract, with the ungodly authority, you must obey any duties as per the terms of that contract you signed on with.

Again, no man can serve two masters - regardless that you claim one of them is God.

That's what happens when humans want to rule over themselves and reject God. People love power tripping and telling others what they can and cannot do and play God and want to be praised and worshiped and they claim they always know what's best for everyone else and force them to comply or recieve a penalty.

I don't serve two masters because i dont always agree and i dont sign no contract. Power trippers can make there rules and im free to disagree, i might be forced to live under there rules or face a penalty, but i do not have to agree with them so i dont sign no contract. People can try force others to accept and respect them, but it doesn't work that way.

 

[Corn Pop]

I do not respect abuse of power where someone causes division between the people and creates different classes of people in society giving more rights for those who agree with them and less rights for those who disagree.

All based on the power trippers personal views and belief and based on generalisations and assumptions that are backed up by thin air.

 

[RedPill]

I don't serve two masters because i dont always agree and i dont sign no contract. Power trippers can make there rules and im free to disagree, i might be forced to live under there rules or face a penalty, but i do not have to agree with them so i dont sign no contract. People can try force others to accept and respect them, but it doesn't work that way.

When ppl voluntarily sign the contract for a "driver license," the godless State can indeed demand that a seatbelt be worn. You will render to the one you signed on with e.g. Caesar - contract enforcement via the end of a barrel, if necessary... Or, via the end of a hypodermic needle, whatever the case may be.

All based on the power trippers personal views and belief and based on generalisations and assumptions that are backed up by thin air.

Worse - they're satanists; it's their religion.

 

[miamited]

Why didn't we get rid of the conspiracy theories section when we got rid of the politics and current events? Just doesn't seem fair that people can write and apply and applaud all sorts of nonsense and even post it on a place that titles it nonsense. I mean, that is what conspiracy theories are, right? Silly nonsense that people believe. Like the flat earther movement.

 

[RedPill]

Why didn't we get rid of the conspiracy theories section when we got rid of the politics and current events?

There are no "theories" in conspiracy. It's Scripture.

conspiracy is found 10 times here.

conspired is found 19 times here.

Just doesn't seem fair that people can write and apply and applaud all sorts of nonsense and even post it on a place that titles it nonsense.

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. (Proverbs 18:13).

I mean, that is what conspiracy theories are, right? Silly nonsense that people believe. Like the flat earther movement.

Like the Holy Bible.

Read all about it!-

 

[Hidden In Him]

Why didn't we get rid of the conspiracy theories section when we got rid of the politics and current events? Just doesn't seem fair that people can write and apply and applaud all sorts of nonsense and even post it on a place that titles it nonsense. I mean, that is what conspiracy theories are, right? Silly nonsense that people believe. Like the flat earther movement.

What is labelled as a "Conspiracy Theory" could actually be the truth sometimes, Miamited. I personally believe those who serve the darkness have been hard at work for centuries now trying to subvert the church and the world over into darkness, and judging by the way things are going I think they are succeeding.

So I think there needs to be room for discussing what they could be doing and where it is headed. As the scriptures teach, we are commanded to watch as prophecy develops, because ultimately their goal is to bring about the rise of the Antichrist. It will not happen by accident, and it certainly will not happen because they all openly celebrated him as the ultimate servant of Satan. It will be a conspiracy that is carried out in darkness, like everything else they do. Satanists hide all the evidence of the human sacrifices they do, and they have a systematic means of doing so so that no one will ever know or at least be able to prove anything. That constitutes a conspiracy.

As for Christians down-mouthing politicians, I don't see any support for that in scripture. Quite the opposite, so I personally think the choices were correct. Do I subscribe to every conspiracy I read? Of course not. But I do believe the darkness is carrying out conspiracies every day, and we ought to have a platform for exposing it.

 

[Corn Pop]

During covid people were led to believe that if they got the jab it would prevent the spread and they cannot transmit the virus so many got the jab believing they were doing the right thing saving other peoples lives while believing those who did not get the jab were just selfish and they were the ones who could infect all the vulnerable people and trying to justify no jab, no job, no jab, no entry, backed by thin air.

 

[hawkman]

Conspiracy Theory - Media suppressed the lab leak theory . FACT they did .
And that was not all . Was an agenda being managed ? Study the facts and see for yourself .

Twitter Files: Platform Suppressed Valid Information from Medical Experts about Covid-19

 

[Corn Pop]

It was all about saving vulnerable lives, and as soon as the jab was available they said it would stop people from getting covid and they wouldn't get sick so it saves lives.

Amazing how someone who was not vaccinated could somehow place those who were double vaccinated at a higher risk if the jab was effective and they would not get covid or very sick if they did because the jab was highly effective.

No jab no job. No jab no entry.

Makes no logical sense.

Oh but transmission, that still would not make much logical sense, and there was nothing to even back it up, it was thin air. If the jab was highly effective to protect people from covid then transmission should not be a issue because all the vaccinated are safe and protected. So to call those who are not vaccinated more of a risk so no jab no job, no job no entry just does not make any logical sense. Not to mention it was backed by thin air.

No one ever said no jab, no job, no jab, no entry, because some people are not vaccinated and they care about them and want to save there lives and protect them because they not vaccinated. I thought that was what it was all about from the start saving unvaccinated peoples lives. Obviously not.

 

[miamited]

What is labelled as a "Conspiracy Theory" could actually be the truth sometimes, Miamited. I personally believe those who serve the darkness have been hard at work for centuries now trying to subvert the church and the world over into darkness, and judging by the way things are going I think they are succeeding.

Hey Hidden In Him

Well, my understanding of what's going on is much more simple than that. Sin is merely abounding in the world just as Paul wrote to the Roman believers that it would be. There isn't any subversion in my understanding. It's just that the vast majority of the people in the world will be lost. Just as Jesus proclaimed to us. There are two roads out of here. One is vast and wide and many there be that are on it. The other is narrow and straight and few there be that are on it.

So, let's understand that we can blame Satan and some cabal of hidden people that are directing world affairs, or we can believe the Scriptures that all of this is just the natural way of mankind that we have been forewarned will be how this is all going to come to a head. It's just sin, my friend. Nothing more complicated than sin and believers will find themselves ultimately being persecuted, not because of the agenda of some hidden worldwide cabal of some secret society, but because the majority of the world is going to want to follow the way of sin and deride and mock those of us who have believed God and chosen to live according to His commands. It's just sin.

We don't have to be looking into dark crevices and secret rooms where some group of dark people are plotting some evil work against 'us'. It's all around us. It's out in the open. We can believe that God's word is true. So no, I disagree that there has ever been a conspiracy theory that later turned out to be the truth of what is. However, I'm open to hear any evidence that you have on the matter. What have you known, that at one time was considered a conspiracy theory, that later proved to be the truth?