Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.

[Barbarian]

Victorian woman with stage four pancreatic cancer denied border exemption for treatment

Marianne, aged 74, is fully vaccinated but her application to get back to regional Victoria from an area of NSW with no coronavirus cases was rejected.

www.abc.net.au

Not in the U.S.

 

[Corn Pop]

Not in the U.S.

I never said the US or any place specifically as different countries and states had different rules so that is why i said "Some places when they had lockdowns...".

 

[KV-44-v1]

No, the anti-COVIDvax crowd does not have logic on their side, not even close.

See the replies in this thread. We are winning against the naiive stance that what the Goverment and TV tells you is mostly true.

They fallaciously appeal to authority just as much as anyone else,

Where in this thread?
Pro-C19 vax people have cited "The Experts" TM, like goverment agencies that are now known, in 2025, to be top-heavy and not really doing their stated job.

Speaking of lacking logic... I don't care if you believe it or not, those are the facts.

Where'd you get the 80 percent from? A SINGLE source? How was the 80% number practically achieved? Is it corroborated by multiple sources?

If you want to address specific points in that post, then feel free to do so. That would be the logical way to address things.


It's easy to find, if one actually wants to to be informed, although it appears it was not in the manufacturing, but in the research. Regardless, graphene oxide is not in the vaccines.

Whether there's graphene or not, it is still BARELY-TESTED GOVERMENT MYSTERY JUICE i don't want anyone getting. The vax makes your body make spike proteins yes? And so it is near impossible to control how many you little, if any, chance of helpinng against c19. And when the virus is gone, then what? Your body is still making them, potentially damaging certain areas. Beware this vax. MRNA vaxes are worse than regular vaxes.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...does-not-prove-pfizer-covid-19-idUSL1N367204/

lol, Rooters, always rooting for whatever side gives them the Big Buck$$.

https://fullfact.org/health/FDA-Pfizer-vaccine-graphene-oxide/?gad_source=1

Probably more reliable than Rooters.

This is just so absolutely erroneous and false regarding the vaccines,

Okay, then get access to a microscope, put some c19 vax on a dish, examine the vax under a microscope, take a picture of your findings, and send it here to prove him wrong.

 

[KV-44-v1]

why not make it worse for those who didn't take it?

People were literally fired for not taking it. People were literally censored on social media for questioning the Status Quo.

My thought is that "everyone is lying" is an unsupportable belief. No conspiracy of the size that would be needed for such a thing to happen has ever succeeded.

Covid deaths being labelled falsely has what to do with "everyone" exactly? Seems like a Non Sequitur. "Quantity of people "lying" " and "falsely reported covid deaths" are 2 different subjects.

The majority of Americans are waking up to the c19 vax "Safe and Effective" scam. Smell the coffee. You just need common sense. Believe the people instead of those in ivory towers, who are worth more money than their 140K$+ salaries allow.

Also, i notice something -- You, Free, and milk drops have, to my knowledge, not rebuted @ CornPop's messages except mabye (?) 1 or 2.

The results? The usnavy, usgov, airlines, etc corporations, finally learned and experienced that the jabs did indeed harm many, and did not help any.

"Trust the statistics or something, bro, people's literal 5 senses are less reliable than people's assertions about data, bro!!"

it shows how selfish and self-centred society has become.

The goverment is way more powerful and more selfish.

and therefore more likely to spread it

99.99% ++ survival rate. It was like a cold. And our experiences align with that statistic.

Thus, the current evidence suggests that current mandatory vaccination policies might need to be reconsidered, and that vaccination status should not replace mitigation practices such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and contact-tracing investigations, even within highly vaccinated populations."

And there it is. So do you admit the vax isn't all that great????

There was hypocrisy everywhere.

Yes, everywhere in the c19Vax - loving goverment outlets and agencies and co.

Being vaccinated means a person is less likely to get COVID, less likely to get severe COVID, and less likely to spread COVID.

Even if true, also less likely to stay healthy in life. Take the [[you know, the "horse paste"]] instead. Works faster and is far more healthier.

protecting the most vulnerable and protecting those who refused to get vaccinated.

Like the Paste?

The only reasons we got out of the pandemic and the only reasons why fewer people died than otherwise would have were because of vaccines and the health mandates--isolating the sick, wearing masks, proper sanitizing, social distancing, etc.

TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE of a logical fallacy! Factor in excersise, " The Paste " and the 99.99% ++ survival rate!!!!

Oversimplified Cause Fallacy​

Description: When a contributing factor is assumed to be the cause, or when a complex array of causal factors is reduced to a single cause. It is a form of simplistic thinking that implies something is either a cause, or it is not. It overlooks the important fact that, especially when referring to human behavior, causes are very complex and multi-dimensional.

This is utterly false.

IF so, only the "did not help" part was. The rest was true.

Nothing was made up

"Safe and effective" was. Reality proves it.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with COVID and the vaccines.

Yes it does. Was the common man inventing, making, distributing, intentionally funding, and using Mainstream News to promote, the c19Vax???? Or was it the RULING CLASS?

ungodly conspiracy theories

How are they "unGodly" ?

Conspiracy theories have proved to be facts time and again. The wuhan lab leak used to be censored and attacked. But now it is a largely accepted & verified FACT not conspiracy.

masks work,

They work to suppress your breathing and force you to re-inhale CO2 and reduce oxygen.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Well done, Dr. Fauci.

Unironically defending him. Wow. Really shows that the old ages belief and the evolution belief makes one susceptible to other false beliefs.

The disease killed about 1.2 million Americans.

What demographics were most affected? The "" physically weakest "" people, right?

This is all unsupported, baseless speculation.

Only the # k-lled by the vaxx is. It might be more.

Hard to fake death rates.

Not if you are Big Gov't with Big Media and Big Tech willing to serve you and controlling the info flow.

they are all lying!

Nobody said that? You mentioned that phrase, it's a strawman of his argument.

never come with checkable information.

What about the belief that "Big Brother Is Your Freind"?

 

[Barbarian]

Unironically defending him. Wow. Really shows that the old ages belief and the evolution belief makes one susceptible to other false beliefs.

Just as evolution is a directly observed phenomenon, the effectiveness of the vaccines and social distancing in saving lives was documented. If all you have is denial, what's the point. Find some data that supports your beliefs, and you've got an argument.

The disease killed about 1.2 million Americans.

What demographics were most affected?

Older people, unvaccinated people, and those with pre-existing conditions that made them more vulnerable to respiratory viruses. Mostly those. But not exclusively. Young, healthy people and even some vaccinated people died. Just at much, much lower rates than the old, unhealthy, unvaccinated.

The "" physically weakest "" people, right?

And the gullible who fell for the anti-vaxxer propaganda. That killed them.

Hard to fake death rates.

Not if you are Big Gov't with Big Media and Big Tech willing to serve you and controlling the info flow.

And the final excuse... "they are all lying!"

Nobody said that? You mentioned that phrase, it's a strawman of his argument.

See above. C'mon. You just said government, media, and tech are all doing that.

What about the belief that "Big Brother Is Your Freind"?

Now, that's a straw man.

 

[Barbarian]

The majority of Americans are waking up to the c19 vax "Safe and Effective" scam. Smell the coffee. You just need common sense. Believe the people instead of those in ivory towers, who are worth more money than their 140K$+ salaries allow.

Turns out the vaccines worked very well. And they saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. Would you like me to show you the numbers again?

99.99% ++ survival rate. It was like a cold.

About one American in every 275 Americans died of COVID-19. Something like one American in every 2700 died in an auto accident in the same period. About one American in every 158 Americans died of heart disease in the same period. So a major cause of death.

They(masks) work to suppress your breathing and force you to re-inhale CO2 and reduce oxygen.

Horsefeathers. And you can prove this to yourself quite easily. You can get an oxymeter from any pharmacy; they aren't expensive. Amazon has one for about 10 dollars. Sit quietly for a few minutes and then put the oxymeter on a fingertip. Note the reading. Then put on a mask. Sit quietly and then put the oxymeter on a fingertip again. Compare readings.

 

[Barbarian]

Edit: The deal with an oxymeter is that it directly measures how oxygenated your blood is. Which is what matters. A good reading would be 95 and up./

 

[Corn Pop]

Turns out the vaccines worked very well. And they saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. Would you like me to show you the numbers again?

I lived in two places during cov. Both places have around the same population, one had servere hard lockdown thats why i fled to the other, a very high double jab rate, well over 90%, and the other place life was basically normal with a few light restrictions sometimes, double jab in the 70%, yet the hard lockdown and higher jab rate has had near double the deaths and double the cases. I'm wondering how and why.

 

[Milk-Drops]

People were literally fired for not taking it.

Depending on company policies and the type of job you had. There was no mandated law demanding everyone get vaxed. Companies had precautions and unless you were in the military, had a private job that had company policies requireing it, or worked in healthcare ( not even everyone in healthcare was required), you were fine. I worked with people that turned it down and they didn't get fired, and they were very outspoken about it. I have several family members that refused to vaccinate and didn't get fired.

People were literally censored on social media for questioning the Status Quo.

Without specific examples this could mean anything. This also depended on the platform, whether or not a person was selling a "cure", circumventing policy guidelines, etc. There was no one rule saying you could not ask questions or share specific information unless the site flagged the specific source or content. Even on facebook it was pretty lienient unless you outright claimed the pandemic wasn't going on and trying to send people to shady sites or grifters selling "cures".

Covid deaths being labelled falsely has what to do with "everyone" exactly?

Yeah this has been asserted multiple times where when you drill down the sources it ends up being mostly "trust me bro"

Seems like a Non Sequitur. "Quantity of people "lying" " and "falsely reported covid deaths" are 2 different subjects.

ok

The majority of Americans are waking up to the c19 vax "Safe and Effective" scam. Smell the coffee. You just need common sense. Believe the people instead of those in ivory towers, who are worth more money than their 140K$+ salaries allow.

I trust doctors that had to interact with the people infected and doctors that have a solid grasp on how vaccines work and immunity. Since these people have to practice the medicine they stand behind its convincing. Asserting a conspiracy is not proof of a conspiracy.

Also, i notice something -- You, Free, and milk drops have, to my knowledge, not rebuted @ CornPop's messages except mabye (?) 1 or 2.

What exactly are you wanting us to rebut? Dan asks questions but nothing he has asked has really been based on showing the vaccines are not effective.

"Trust the statistics or something, bro, people's literal 5 senses are less reliable than people's assertions about data, bro!!"

Stats are useful to rule out confirmation bias ( common sense). Considering that medicine has to interact with the human body that could have multiple health factors, and aggregate is needed to see pasterns and effectiveness.

a small amount of people getting a negative side effect vs the larger group not getting a negative side effect means that the vaccine is safe.

The goverment is way more powerful and more selfish.

ok, and the government is a conglomeration of multiple agencies that tackle multiple different things. You would need to be more specific.

99.99% ++ survival rate. It was like a cold. And our experiences align with that statistic.

The survival rate was not constant and varried based on the strain and compounding medical conditions. Once vaccines became widely available hospitalization also drastically fell. You may have survived in the early part of the pandemic, but Hospitals also were massively taxed, especially in very densely populated cities. Unlike the flu that doesn't over tax our medical infrastructure every single year. 2019 to 2020 had situations where hospitals in New York literally could not take anymore people because they were full.

And there it is. So do you admit the vax isn't all that great????

You seem to think this is a zero sum situation. Viruses mutate, the vaccines make it that it less likely to cause massive damage and boost your immunity to the virus, but you can still contract it. You have to contract it for your immune system to fight it. Your immune system can fight the virus off but you would still be infected.

I have seen you make medical rants before, but it doesn't seem like you really understand how our immune system or how viruses work at a basic level.

Yes, everywhere in the c19Vax - loving goverment outlets and agencies and co.

You seem to have an irrational bias against anything that involves the US government.

Even if true, also less likely to stay healthy in life. Take the [[you know, the "horse paste"]] instead. Works faster and is far more healthier.

Like the Paste?

There has never been any verification on Ivermectin working in a significant way. The paper that originally made the claim didn't demonstrate it within its own data. It also doesn't make any sense considering that Ivermectin in an anti parasitic while Covid 19 is a virus. The mechanisim on how you are infected are not the same. Viruse's high jack your cells and use them to replicate while parasites feed off your body or other nutriens. Ivermectin makes it that your body is not hospitable for parasites. Vaccines allow your body to recognize when cells are being hijacked.

 

[Barbarian]

I lived in two places during cov. Both places have around the same population, one had servere hard lockdown thats why i fled to the other, a very high double jab rate, well over 90%, and the other place life was basically normal with a few light restrictions sometimes, double jab in the 70%, yet the hard lockdown and higher jab rate has had near double the deaths and double the cases. I'm wondering how and why.

I'm looking at the data here in the United States. Here's the analysis of counties and vaccination status:

Lancet - Regional Health United States

County-level vaccination coverage and rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the United States: An ecological analysis​

Findings​

After adjustment for county-level characteristics, US counties with ≥ 80% of their residents ≥ 12 years of age fully vaccinated against COVID-19 had 30% (95% CI: 25−35; P < .001) and 46% (38−52; P < .001) lower rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths, respectively, versus those with <50% coverage (reference group). A dose response was observed: counties with 70−79% uptake had 20% (95% CI: 16−24; P < .001) and 35% (29−40; P < .001) lower rates of cases and deaths, respectively; counties with 60−69% uptake had 8% (5−11; P < .001) and 20% (15−24; P < .001) lower rates; and counties with 50−59% uptake had 2% (0−4; P =.09) and 8% (4−12; P < .001) lower rates. Restricting the analysis to the period when the Delta variant was predominant (June 1, 2021 ‒ October 31, 2021) showed similar findings.

Interpretation​

Our results showed that US counties with higher proportions of persons ≥ 12 years of age fully vaccinated against COVID-19 had substantially lower rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths—a finding that showed dose response and persisted even in the period when Delta was predominant.
Let's look at social distancing by state:

Effect of social distancing on COVID-19 incidence and mortality in the US​

NIH
This evidence strongly suggests that policies promoting increased social distancing were beneficial. Higher social distancing was associated with marked reductions in COVID-19 incidence and mortality. These findings provide evidence to inform ongoing national discussions on the effectiveness of these public health measures and the potential implications of returning to normal social activity.

So your assumption is wrong for the United States. What part of the world are you talking about?

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm looking at the data here in the United States. Here's the analysis of counties and vaccination status:

Lancet - Regional Health United States

County-level vaccination coverage and rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the United States: An ecological analysis​

Findings​

After adjustment for county-level characteristics, US counties with ≥ 80% of their residents ≥ 12 years of age fully vaccinated against COVID-19 had 30% (95% CI: 25−35; P < .001) and 46% (38−52; P < .001) lower rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths, respectively, versus those with <50% coverage (reference group). A dose response was observed: counties with 70−79% uptake had 20% (95% CI: 16−24; P < .001) and 35% (29−40; P < .001) lower rates of cases and deaths, respectively; counties with 60−69% uptake had 8% (5−11; P < .001) and 20% (15−24; P < .001) lower rates; and counties with 50−59% uptake had 2% (0−4; P =.09) and 8% (4−12; P < .001) lower rates. Restricting the analysis to the period when the Delta variant was predominant (June 1, 2021 ‒ October 31, 2021) showed similar findings.

Interpretation​

Our results showed that US counties with higher proportions of persons ≥ 12 years of age fully vaccinated against COVID-19 had substantially lower rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths—a finding that showed dose response and persisted even in the period when Delta was predominant.
Let's look at social distancing by state:

Effect of social distancing on COVID-19 incidence and mortality in the US​

NIH
This evidence strongly suggests that policies promoting increased social distancing were beneficial. Higher social distancing was associated with marked reductions in COVID-19 incidence and mortality. These findings provide evidence to inform ongoing national discussions on the effectiveness of these public health measures and the potential implications of returning to normal social activity.

So your assumption is wrong for the United States. What part of the world are you talking about?

Where I lived, those aged 60+ are 19.2% of all the confirmed cases recorded to date yet make up 96.1% of all deaths where Cov is coded as the underlying cause. Obviously Age is a factor when it comes to vulnerability with colds and flus.

 

[KV-44-v1]

a small amount of people getting a negative side effect vs the larger group not getting a negative side effect means that the vaccine is safe.

Atheletes have been dying off within a short span of time. You know its bad when the healthiest among us start maaaagically dying. And not everyone was boosted, so obviously less juice = more healthy you are.
And this is only like 5 years after. You do not know the longer term effects of this vax. Countless people have TESTIMONIES that the vax didnt work, and of covid tyranny. And the the [paste] worked. So again, do you believe normal citizens who dont buy everything the elites who dont or cant relate to our lives say, or do you believe elites??

The survival rate was not constant and varried based on the strain and compounding medical conditions.

Still around 99%. Could be 99.99, 99, or 99.99999999.

Once vaccines became widely available hospitalization also drastically fell. You may have survived in the early part of the pandemic, but Hospitals also were massively taxed, especially in very densely populated cities.

Taxed? Like income tax? Or "had a drain on resources"?

the vaccines make it that it less likely to cause massive damage and boost your immunity to the virus, but you can still contract it.

That was the older vaxes. Not the rushed, untested, Mystery Elite-funded Elite-made Juice.

You have to contract it for your immune system to fight it. Your immune system can fight the virus off but you would still be infected.

yes

I have seen you make medical rants before, but it doesn't seem like you really understand how our immune system or how viruses work at a basic level.

Coming from pro c19Vax .
Our immune system handled the c19Virus quite easily, except the weakest and mabye obese people.

You seem to have an irrational bias against anything that involves the US government.

Because the c19Vax is "ANY"thing. riiiight.
No, not an "irrational" fear of "ANYTHING", that is the argument the Blue Guys use on Christians. "oh youre hom0/trans/islam/etc -phobic!!" The USGOVT has done real evil, and if you believe otherwise, then that's simply naiive. Dont you ever wonder why something is some way? Just because you don't think its pleasant doesn't mean its not true. If the C19Vax were as good as you guys believe, how come a massive portion of the U.S. believes otherwise?? Why is lack of trust in the media greater than before? It is because fake news gets obliterated by whats real.

Plain & simple. Those who were largely unaffected were more suseptible largely because they didnt experience the oppression of the masses as much, or were told "its not happening".
Most people saw the c19Vax was worse than it helped, but how they responded varied.

There has never been any verification on Ivermectin working in a significant way.

Verification from who? From the Ivory Tower rich people and Big Media, or from the Average Citizen?

The paper that originally made the claim didn't demonstrate it within its own data.

But peoples experinces proved it. Also, there were crackdowns on it, if i recall.

It also doesn't make any sense considering that Ivermectin in an anti parasitic while Covid 19 is a virus.

Ever heard of the term "multi purpose"?

Vaccines allow your body to recognize when cells are being hijacked.

The older ones. Does c19Vax use weak virus particles or mRNA?

 

[KV-44-v1]

Older people, unvaccinated people, and those with pre-existing conditions that made them more vulnerable to respiratory viruses.

How many vaxed vs unvaxed ?

And the gullible who fell for the anti-vaxxer propaganda. That killed them.

Most survived. they died if they were physically weak or unhealthy.
Amusing you cite "anti [C19VAX]" as "propaganda", because THAT is much closer to "Theyre All Lying" than questioning the Elites is!!

Hard to fake death rates.

Clearly youve never tried to fake them before ?
Also, hard for who?

And the final excuse... "they are all lying!"

Not " all ", just the elites who have a vested intrest in things other than and rather than actually preserving humanity.

See above. C'mon. You just said government, media, and tech are all doing that.

Yup. Fakebook, to some extent youtube, and co.

Now, that's a straw man.

Like 'theyre ALL lying'?

 

[Corn Pop]

Thanks to freedom of information and after a 4 year legal battle for the release, the people now know in the state of Vic the cov curfew imposed on 5 million people and there human rights was not based on public healh advice. It was just a gang of 8 people.

 

[Corn Pop]

That was full power tripping.

 

[guyver]

That was full power tripping.

I remember him well , I too live in Victoria.
He also treated protestors shamefully , shooting and bashing them.

30 sec vid

https://odysee.com/@alpha:8/police-brutalitu-for-health-Australia:3

 

[Corn Pop]

His lockdown forced the golf club he was a member of to close and people could not even play a game of golf so the club banned him for life. Hes got a life ban. I think most of the golf clubs in the state have banned him from playing.

 

[guyver]

His lockdown forced the golf club he was a member of to close and people could not even play a game of golf so they all banned him for life. Hes got a life ban. I think most of the golf clubs in the state have banned him from playing.

Sounds good to me

 

[guyver]

It's still going on these days and he's been getting banned everywhere he goes for years now. Lol. This article is only like a few weeks ago. Everywhere he goes he gets banned.

Entire Victorian town 'bans' Dan Andrews: 'You may as well leave'

Former Premier Daniel Andrews has been delivered another hammer-blow after it was revealed an entire Victorian town could have the controversial ex-pollie on their blacklist.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just read that article and that is fantastic news..ha ha...good one!