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jasonc

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my issue with this vaccine isn't one of qanon ,but from the experience of anthrax vaccine .they mandated an experimental drug on us .they can't do that without presidential authority if the fda uses emergency orders .

it was fast tracked ,that's all . six years for polio and the original vaccine isn't used as they made one with less contraindications.
 

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I,have been tested long ago for the Spanish flu and yup I had it .that was in 1993 .
This is an example of the difference between scientific descriptions and what as people we call real descriptions.
The 1919 flu killed millions and was highly contangious. What you got was related to this virus but was not the same version that killed millions.

I had this discussion with my wife. What is a nut? Peanut, walnut, brazil nut? And you will find few are true nuts as botanists describe nuts, but to us, a hard crunchy thing, which is smooth and breaks under biting is a nut.

When talking with scientists you need to know the difference between a risk, like winning the lottery, and if I leave my house I will die. I only really care about the dying bit, not the if I win the lottery, though its nice to know.

I like the one in 5 billion years the sun will grow into a red giant and destroy the earth. 5 is a number I understand, but billion is like never. We have lost 130,000 people to covid, too big for me to take in. Two Wembley stadium concerts full, I can relate to, or 130 schools wiped out.

What makes me dumb founded is when some claim governments intend to kill millions of people to shrink the population down. Governments are civil servants and politicians, ordinary people aspiring to serve the community. But to paint them as the enemy, evil beyond compare is easy, and to make them despicable, put the worst crime ever at their door.

What calms me down, is to know paranoid schizophrenics do this with the people they love, like it is normal to think such things. And when you scrap below the surface a little, jumping from there are dangers to this extreme insane idea is actually a small jump, and generates the emotions the speakers already have against the world, which they are certain is out to get them, not just them, but everyone else they can talk to.
 

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It’s not really a matter of if you get Covid, it’s when.
When you get Covid, it may not even show itself, or you might get a runny nose, or an upset stomach and some diarrhea for three or four days and you’ll bounce right back. Or, you drew the short straw and you’ll move into respiratory distress. The good thing is Covid is now treatable, but you’ve got to get in early.

The data shows that if your conditions worsen between 3,and 5, your heading for Pnemonia which can cause death, or like my wife, long term health issues. Knowing this, go in before day 7 at the absolute latest. Day 4 or 5 is preferred. Find a hospital that will treat you with monoclonal therapy and be prepared to meet your insurance deductible and dip into your portion of the bill once you exceed your deductible.

Or.... get vaccinated. It’s fully covered by your insurance or free if you don’t have insurance.

my wife’s bill for her first ER visit was over 8k for 7 hours of service. My portion is $2400. I can’t wait to get my bill for her 5 day stay...
You may be right but I am not convinced the jury has come to a verdict yet about the safety of the vaccines. These vaccines were developed in record time, safety protocols were relaxed in the interest of saving time, and reputations and greed were on the line. We don't know what the risks are from the vaccines yet and there have been some that have started to show up.

I'm not saying the vaccines are dangerous but I'm not convinced they are truly safe either.
 

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This is an example of the difference between scientific descriptions and what as people we call real descriptions.
The 1919 flu killed millions and was highly contangious. What you got was related to this virus but was not the same version that killed millions.

I had this discussion with my wife. What is a nut? Peanut, walnut, brazil nut? And you will find few are true nuts as botanists describe nuts, but to us, a hard crunchy thing, which is smooth and breaks under biting is a nut.

When talking with scientists you need to know the difference between a risk, like winning the lottery, and if I leave my house I will die. I only really care about the dying bit, not the if I win the lottery, though its nice to know.

I like the one in 5 billion years the sun will grow into a red giant and destroy the earth. 5 is a number I understand, but billion is like never. We have lost 130,000 people to covid, too big for me to take in. Two Wembley stadium concerts full, I can relate to, or 130 schools wiped out.

What makes me dumb founded is when some claim governments intend to kill millions of people to shrink the population down. Governments are civil servants and politicians, ordinary people aspiring to serve the community. But to paint them as the enemy, evil beyond compare is easy, and to make them despicable, put the worst crime ever at their door.

What calms me down, is to know paranoid schizophrenics do this with the people they love, like it is normal to think such things. And when you scrap below the surface a little, jumping from there are dangers to this extreme insane idea is actually a small jump, and generates the emotions the speakers already have against the world, which they are certain is out to get them, not just them, but everyone else they can talk to.
I was tested ,the swab sent off ,and told it was the Spanish flu .

I remember that well when I got it done ,very annoying and I waited at the hospital .
it killed a few at ft.Polk .sanitation in 1918,not exactly the best ,open sewers were used then for sewer treatment,even up to the 50s,by,that I mean the pits in the ground to simply get the solids and the rest push out into the ground ,what ever you call that is nothing but a large septic tank . not much added to treat it .

my county had one up stream from groves ,it was used until 1958.
that played a part .

I also don't paint a brush but the fact ,until you serve your country ,get told,warned by the previous generation about the va,and that one was told by the earlier one,
lets see ww2 to present the va hasn't changed ,

all this concern about ptsd has you thinking they care ,we fix ourselves .why?
go tell your Sgt you feel suicidal ,they discharge you ,the va will not pay for your health care at a 10 percent rating but ,I can't simply say that the ssa,Medicare and va care when to get what is promised despite clear and proven disabilities you must hire a lawyer ,

my county ,the only reason we have the the veterans care here is because veterans decided to solve their own dilemma ,the church here didn't touch nor help any homeless ,the Vietnam vets did ,the va guidance ,to guide one to get disability ,was a vet who taught himself how to beat the va and knows the regs and will quote the regs to the va

I'm hardly paranoid ,but I know this from personal experience and battles seen with my dad ,friends and for my wife .

the dod lied to vets about agent Orange ,the nerve agent in Iraq ,now the burn pits for Iraq and Afghanistan .

a healthy bit of skepticsm was ingrained by combat vetearns to me ,these served in Vietnam and retired . I passed that on to the kids,the military will as quickly promote you and turn around and discharge you for that health problem .

that isn't being paranoid
 
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my issue with this vaccine isn't one of qanon ,but from the experience of anthrax vaccine .they mandated an experimental drug on us .they can't do that without presidential authority if the fda uses emergency orders .

it was fast tracked ,that's all . six years for polio and the original vaccine isn't used as they made one with less contraindications.
My father-in-law was forced to receive a shot while he was in the army. All his teeth fell out. I have to wonder if our soldiers were used as lab mice sometimes.
 
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STAY AWAY FROM THE VAXXED, IT IS OFFICIAL, FROM

PFIZER'S OWN DOCUMENTS
(link)

THE ELITE HAVE ALREADY FLOWN OFF TO THEIR HIDEOUTS, THEY HAVE RELEASED THE GENOCIDE.
READ IT AND WEEP. PFIZER'S OWN DOCUMENTS STATE BOTH INHALATION AND SKIN CONTACT WILL TRANSMIT WHATEVER IS IN THE VAX FROM THE VACCINATED TO THE UNVACCINATED AND THAT THE RESULTS ARE DEVASTATING.

Here is what just this small portion of this Pfizer document is saying:


1. If a man who was not vaccinated touches a vaccinated woman, or breathes any of the air she breathes (in other words, walks by her in the office), and he then has sex with his wife, his wife can have an adverse event and she should avoid having children.

2. If a woman who was never vaccinated gets exposed to a woman who was vaccinated, she can:
a. miscarry;
b. spontaneously abort;
c. poison a baby via her breast milk;
d: have babies that have cognitive difficulties.

This is universal and very bad. Here is a small section of text I translated to English (pp.67-69):

8.3.5.3. Occupational Exposure


"An occupational exposure occurs when a person receives unplanned direct contact with a vaccine test subject, which may or may not lead to the occurrence of an adverse event. These people may include health care providers, family members, and other people who are around the trial participant.

When such exposures happen, the investigator must report them to Pfizer safety within 24 hours of becoming aware of when they happened, regardless of whether or not there is an associated secondary adverse event. This must be reported using the vaccine secondary adverse event report form. SINCE THE INFORMATION DOES NOT PERTAIN TO A PARTICIPANT INVOLVED IN THE STUDY, THE INFORMATION WILL BE KEPT SEPARATE FROM THE STUDY."

TO CLARIFY: Vaccine study participants become super spreaders of something. They don't say what it is, but it triggers secondary adverse events in people that never had the vax, when they are exposed to people who did have the vax.

THIS IS SO BAD that right here, in this little bit of quoted text. It warns that un-vaccinated men who have been exposed to a woman who was vaxxed will then pass whatever is in the vax to another woman.

Even the relatively small portion of the document I have put below here says the vax triggers spontaneous abortions and reproductive problems when un-vaccinated people are exposed to the vaccinated, and that breast milk from a vaccinated mom can harm the infant. And if anyone does not believe it, then click the link above and wade through that enormous and intentionally confusing 147-page document. It's for real folks, the vax is indeed the kill shot.

Do not permit the vaccinated to come anywhere near you, it is now official.


Here is a small portion of this huge document, straight from Pfizer:

Terms (list of abbreviations found on pp.138-141):

Study intervention - A vaccine test subject (definition on pg.45).
AE - Adverse Event in someone who got the vax.
SAE - An Adverse Event in someone who was exposed to someone who got the vax.
EDP - Exposure During Pregnancy.

8.3.5. Exposure During Pregnancy or Breastfeeding, and Occupational Exposure

Exposure to the study intervention under study during pregnancy or breastfeeding and occupational exposure are reportable to Pfizer Safety within 24 hours of investigator awareness.

8.3.5.1. Exposure During Pregnancy

An EDP occurs if:

* A female participant is found to be pregnant while receiving or after discontinuing study intervention.
* A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study intervention exposes a female partner prior to or around the time of conception.

* A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure. Below are examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:

* A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.

* A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his female partner prior to or around the time of conception.

If this vax is not shedding into other people, then WHY would contact between vaccinated and un-vaccinated be an event worth noting? If this vax is not shedding, then WHY does a guy who has been around a vaccinated woman, even if he did not touch her or have sex, need to worry about getting a different woman pregnant?


-- Jim
 
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We came out of lockdown 2 weeks ago. Only partially though. Places like theatres, cinemas still closed. Restaurants and pubs you can sit outside but not inside yet.
Some churches are open for a limited number of people, others are still closed.
 

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I'm scheduled for Tuesday, May 4th.
Pfizer - so I'm happy with that.

Just a few blocks from my house in the civil protection building.
Hubby already had it.
The dr that sees the person before the shot was from outside...not sure why.
Outside means he's not "one of us" that lives here.
 

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Is anyone here still in lockdown?.
No more lockdown. We're yellow.
The numbers seem stable for now.
We were red for the Easter season and everyone got depressed.
Well, ALMOST everyone. (never say everyone).
Then we went to orange for about 10 days (can't remember)
and now we're yellow.
 

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It’s not really a matter of if you get Covid, it’s when.
When you get Covid, it may not even show itself, or you might get a runny nose, or an upset stomach and some diarrhea for three or four days and you’ll bounce right back. Or, you drew the short straw and you’ll move into respiratory distress. The good thing is Covid is now treatable, but you’ve got to get in early.

The data shows that if your conditions worsen between 3,and 5, your heading for Pnemonia which can cause death, or like my wife, long term health issues. Knowing this, go in before day 7 at the absolute latest. Day 4 or 5 is preferred. Find a hospital that will treat you with monoclonal therapy and be prepared to meet your insurance deductible and dip into your portion of the bill once you exceed your deductible.

Or.... get vaccinated. It’s fully covered by your insurance or free if you don’t have insurance.

my wife’s bill for her first ER visit was over 8k for 7 hours of service. My portion is $2400. I can’t wait to get my bill for her 5 day stay...
ER service costs money?
What's going on over there??
:shock
 

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'm not saying the vaccines are dangerous but I'm not convinced they are truly safe either.
I understand. There is always the unknown. We have a family friend that is older and told us a true story about the Polio vaccine. One mother had the same concern as you and because of it, her son drug his club foot around for life. The Polio vaccine is no longer concidered a risk and you don’t hear the rhetoric against it ( except by anti Vaxers). Pfizer and Moderna will prove out to be the same.

mRNA has been around for 20 years, so it’s not new. I was told once Moderna received the sequencing of Covid from Wahun, they had the vaccine within the hour. The technology is really that simple. In 10 years a cancer patient can have their vaccine for Cancer made specifically for them in a matter of hours. The technology is simply amazing. And it’s not all that complex.

Money is the biggest factor in bringing a new vaccine to market. New vaccines are a huge financial risk to the pharmaceutical companies and funding is based on the results of the three main clinical trials. The Trump administration purchased 100 million doses from 6 pharmaceutical companies with no demand they actually produce a viable vaccine. This took the financial risk out of the equation which is the main reason these vaccines were brought to market so quickly.

The second most important reason they came to market so quickly is because the three clinical trials each vaccine are required to go through were ran concurrently instead of sequentially.

Lastly, there were policies out in place from the 60’s and 79’s that were obsolete and as a result, were permanently deprecated. They will never be reinstated.
 

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I understand. There is always the unknown. We have a family friend that is older and told us a true story about the Polio vaccine. One mother had the same concern as you and because of it, her son drug his club foot around for life.
There are cases of people dying after receiving the Covid vaccines. Examples of extremes can be found from both sides of this issue.
 

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Do your fish come up tail first?
:lol

What do you mean?

I have tail hooked a fish before. You know once i was fishing and another person on the opposite side was fishing, when i pulled he lost line and when he pulled i lost line, it was back and forths, and when we brinng the line up our hooks were joined. Lol. The odds of that happening is probably like 1 in a 100 trillion. I also have caught the classic random boot. I hooked some strainge stuff in my time. I hooked a couple fishing rods, the list goes on.
 

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For the first time i walked past a store and it had a sign saying they dont accept cash in the name of everyones safety. I only pay by cash so they get no business from me and i wanted to have a look, so i went to another store and purchased from them.
 
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I was tested ,the swab sent off ,and told it was the Spanish flu .

I remember that well when I got it done ,very annoying and I waited at the hospital .
it killed a few at ft.Polk .sanitation in 1918,not exactly the best ,open sewers were used then for sewer treatment,even up to the 50s,by,that I mean the pits in the ground to simply get the solids and the rest push out into the ground ,what ever you call that is nothing but a large septic tank . not much added to treat it .

my county had one up stream from groves ,it was used until 1958.
that played a part .

I also don't paint a brush but the fact ,until you serve your country ,get told,warned by the previous generation about the va,and that one was told by the earlier one,
lets see ww2 to present the va hasn't changed ,

all this concern about ptsd has you thinking they care ,we fix ourselves .why?
go tell your Sgt you feel suicidal ,they discharge you ,the va will not pay for your health care at a 10 percent rating but ,I can't simply say that the ssa,Medicare and va care when to get what is promised despite clear and proven disabilities you must hire a lawyer ,

my county ,the only reason we have the the veterans care here is because veterans decided to solve their own dilemma ,the church here didn't touch nor help any homeless ,the Vietnam vets did ,the va guidance ,to guide one to get disability ,was a vet who taught himself how to beat the va and knows the regs and will quote the regs to the va

I'm hardly paranoid ,but I know this from personal experience and battles seen with my dad ,friends and for my wife .

the dod lied to vets about agent Orange ,the nerve agent in Iraq ,now the burn pits for Iraq and Afghanistan .

a healthy bit of skepticsm was ingrained by combat vetearns to me ,these served in Vietnam and retired . I passed that on to the kids,the military will as quickly promote you and turn around and discharge you for that health problem .

that isn't being paranoid
Scepticism is an important part of finding the truth.
But the difference between scepticism and they are out to kill me, is the difference between being healthy and being mentally ill.

Veterans will always have a hard time. Most war injuries are not fatal, but change your life. And the armed forces are designed to put soldiers up, live or die. After care is looked as an overhead cost. This comes from the days when life was brutal in every walk, so it was healthy or gone. In modern times things have changed and like the gulf war and the war against terrorists so has war.

This is though a long way from talking about covid and vaccines.
The medical profession who invented solutions to covid are not part of the armed services or the civil authorities or the distribution services. It is easy to conflate the two as a veteran, but most people have no experience of armed services or its ethos.

I have met policemen who spend all their time hunting hardened criminals so the way they treat normal people can be brutal, as if everyone is like their targets. An occupational hazard, but one can choose to account for.

God bless you
 
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