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Covid Vaccine, a Gospel imperative

stovebolts said:
When you get a chance, I'd like to understand how not receiving the vaccine is anti-gospel.
Perhaps you could start a thread on what the gospel is, and how you believe it ties into mandating the vaccine.
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As I wrote in another post, the exact meaning of the term "gospel" is a distraction. My point is this:

- Jesus calls us to demonstrate love to others.
- The covid vaccine is a viritually zero-risk way to participate in ending a pandemic that is causing great suffering
- How would Jesus not want us to get vaccinated?
 
Drew said:
You are playing with technicalities - whatever the precise meaning of the word "gospel" is, it is beyond obvious that

- Christians are supposed to demonstrate love.
- Putting others needlessly at risk is not love.
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No. You are playing loosely with the gospel. Loving one another is not the Gospel.

I don't believe those who don't take the vaccine are putting others at risk. I believe this continual effort to force the vaccine is putting others at risk.

If you want the vaccine, fine. Take it. I don't. So, how am I putting you at risk? You have your vaccine.

You see, you're not really worried about 'others' at risk. You just want to force those who don't want it to take it. And that is all the government wants to do also.

Quantrill
 
Drew said:
This is not a fair analogy. Given the way the modern world is structured, transportation - getting from A to B - is arguably a necessity. Avoid the vaccine is, of course, not a necessity.

Besides, the risk of you hurting yourself or others on the road is relatively low. By contrast, refusing the vaccine is, I suggest, a much more dangerous choice.

Look at the hell-scape that is Florida right now.
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For you, avoiding the vaccine is not a necessity. For me it is. But of course you want your necessity, taking the vaccine, forced upon me.

I suggest that all of the chaos over Covid is inflated and manipulated by government and media.

Quantrill
 
Drew said:
This is not a fair analogy. Given the way the modern world is structured, transportation - getting from A to B - is arguably a necessity. Avoid the vaccine is, of course, not a necessity.

Besides, the risk of you hurting yourself or others on the road is relatively low. By contrast, refusing the vaccine is, I suggest, a much more dangerous choice.

Look at the hell-scape that is Florida right now.
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Would it be a better analogy if he were watching kidde porn on a tablet while he drives? Avoiding the vaccine is not a necessity, it is a choice.

You're very prolific about this issue. You really bought into all the hype, didn't you? Don't let the hype scare you. Scripture commands you to not fear many times, and besides, who are you judge another man's servant who choose not to get the vaccination? Does my Christian Brother not believe that Romans 14 applies?

Romans
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant?.../

As per your trust the experts perspective, I believe that the fact that you (stated) you are no expert so you will trust the experts is the source of your fear, and also a trust n the world and man. Therefore I submit to you that if you take the vaccine on these grounds...that you therefore sin. Why you ask? I'm glad you asked. Because anything not done in faith is sin. (Romans 14:23) and you have clearly established that it is your faith in man's doctors and not God to steer your choices.

But do me a favor in Christ, Brother? Before you pop off and reply to me, sit down and read Romans 14 chapter completely and consider with a spiritual eye these issues. As Christians and believers in our Lord Jesus the Christ, we must always look at everything with a spiritual eye or it's a failure of our Christian duties.

I'm at peace in my spirit for not taking any vaccine.
 
Drew said:
You are free to believe this, and state your view.

Just as I am free to express the view that vaccine refusal is irresponsible and selfish. And that your position, above, amounts to conspiracy-theory thinking.
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Ah yes, now we're into conspiracies.
And I still believe the world is flat.
 
Drew said:
- Jesus calls us to demonstrate love to others.
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Yes, Jesus does and Paul reminds us of that.
So let me ask you this. If God has set it on the heart of a person not to get the vaccination, what would your love toward them look like? Would you have the Holy Spirit grieved for your personal comfort of knowing everyone is vaccinated?
Drew said:
- The covid vaccine is a viritually zero-risk way to participate in ending a pandemic that is causing great suffering
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Do you think God is doing great things through this pandemic? I do. Also, vaccine or not this Pandemic will need to run its course just like previous pandemics through the centuries. This pandemic is not the end of the human race.
Now, I do support getting the vaccine, but I also respect where people are at and if they don’t want to get the vaccine, I love them by trying to educate them on what to do when they get Covid.

Again, most Covid cases do not require medical attention. So let me ask you this, and I would appreciate an honest answer.

Why are we not educating people on early treatment which would all but eliminate Covid deaths and ICU stays?
 
Quantrill said:
I don't believe those who don't take the vaccine are putting others at risk.
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Of course you don't believe this! If you did, we would not be having this discussion.

What matters is not what you or I believe, but what the experts believe.

And the experts believe that those who refuse the vaccination are, in large measure, responsible for the suffering and death that is now happening.
 
Quantrill said:
So, how am I putting you at risk? You have your vaccine.
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We have been through this over and over.

1. The vaccine is not 100 % effective
2. The unvaccinated increase the risk of the development of variants against which the vaccines won't work.
3. The unvaccinated needlessly divert hospital resources away from other patients.

These are all facts. You can deny them if you like, but reality always wins in the end.
 
Edward said:
You really bought into all the hype, didn't you?
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If by "hype" you mean the considered opinion of tens of thousands of trained medical experts whose jobs depend on getting it right, then, yes, I have bought into the hype.
 
Drew said:
Not remotely as contagious.
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hepatitis is spread by toilets that aren't cleaned ,I have traveled to many gas stations on the way to Georgia ,many so nasty I simply held it and told them .the homeless will on the city parks trash bathrooms and it takes hours before the city will clean . ever seen feces on the wall from that?I have .
placing that layer of thim paper on it won't protect you .
 
Edward said:
Scripture commands you to not fear many times, and besides, who are you judge another man's servant who choose not to get the vaccination? Does my Christian Brother not believe that Romans 14 applies?
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I find this reasoning very hard to understand.

Surely you understand that I can both "not fear" and take wise measures to protect my health and the health of others.

And Romans 14 certainly does not apply here - the choice of one man to eat only vegetables will not cause thousands of people to end up in the hospital.

At the end of the day, you are trying to use Biblical texts to justify what is obviously reckless and irresponsible behaviour.
 
stovebolts said:
Yes, Jesus does and Paul reminds us of that.
So let me ask you this. If God has set it on the heart of a person not to get the vaccination, what would your love toward them look like?
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I would politely tell them that they are either deceived about they claim the Spirit is telling them. Or that they are lying. Why would God tell someone to do something that will endanger their life and the lives of others. Look at Florida!

Look: using this kind of reasoning, you could equally say "If God set it upon the heart of a person to cheat on his wife, what would your love toward them look like?"

My "love" toward such a person would take the form of a swift kick to the hindquarters.
 
Drew said:
I would politely tell them that they are either deceived about they claim the Spirit is telling them. Or that they are lying. Why would God tell someone to do something that will endanger their life and the lives of others. Look at Florida!

Look: using this kind of reasoning, you could equally say "If God set it upon the heart of a person to cheat on his wife, what would your love toward them look like?"

My "love" toward such a person would take the form of a swift kick to the hindquarters.
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What's wrong with Florida?
Most people where I live don't get the vaccine and nobody is sick.
Did you hear me?
Nobody.
We are careful and take precautions around others but when we are together, nobody wears a mask.
 
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