[_ Old Earth _] Creation-six days or seven?

[Blue-Lightning]

I think it is interesting that a day passes without a sun or moon. More interesting is the fact that vegetables grow and live prior to the sun's existence.

BL

 

[Barbarian]

Speaking about slowing down...there are some who believe that the earth in it's early stages may have revolving at 17 hours per revolution.

It's true. The Earth's rotation is being braked by the effect of the Moon's gravity on the tides. It's slowing down by a tiny amount every year. Ancient coral reefs (which show daily and annual growth marks) clearly show that there were more days in a year back then.

 

[saved]

6 literal 24 hour days just the the Bible plainly says.

Can you give me a chapter and verse number where this is plainly stated?

Chapter 1:3-29.
When this was written timex was not yet around. They had no concept of hours minutes and seconds as we do. The language is written in terms so that not only would they understand, but each generation after. The eveving and the morning is a phrase to designate one day passing. Not eons of time.

What is a day though? And a day from who's perspective?

Evening and morning are both the result of our planet rotating on its axis. This amount of time is almost, but not quite, 24 hours. However, we should all know that this is not constant, but that our planet is slowing down. The one object in the universe that most influences the Earth's rotation speed is the moon. However, the moon wasn't created until the 4th day. Without the moon, the Earth would rotate much faster than it does now, since the moon contains most of the angular momentum of the Earth-moon system. God could have been violating the laws of physics at this time and these days really could all be 24 hours, but that is reading into the passage something that is not there.

We must also realize that time isn't constant. Time moves slower the faster you move. If you were to get on a spaceship moving very close to the speed of light, one day could pass for you on your ship, while for us on Earth thousands or milliions of years will have elapsed. The same effect would happen if you went very close to a huge source of gravity. Just because 6 days passed on Earth doesn't mean the rest of the universe isn't billions of years old. Both can be true at the same time.

All that is TOTAL specualtion. Those who believe God hold to what he says and do not try and change His meanings. The time for creation was 6/24 hour days.

 

[mh13]

All that is TOTAL specualtion. Those who believe God hold to what he says and do not try and change His meanings. The time for creation was 6/24 hour days.

AMEN! God uses plain langauge to communicate with us. A day is a day, just like God says.

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Guest]

6 literal 24 hour days just the the Bible plainly says.

Can you give me a chapter and verse number where this is plainly stated?

Chapter 1:3-29.
When this was written timex was not yet around. They had no concept of hours minutes and seconds as we do. The language is written in terms so that not only would they understand, but each generation after. The eveving and the morning is a phrase to designate one day passing. Not eons of time.

the faster you move. If you were to get on a spaceship moving very close to the speed of light, one day could pass for you on your ship, while for us on Earth thousands or milliions of years will have elapsed. The same effect would happen if you went very close to a huge source of gravity. Just because 6 days passed on Earth doesn't mean the rest of the universe isn't billions of years old. Both can be true at the same time.

All that is TOTAL specualtion. Those who believe God hold to what he says and do not try and change His meanings. The time for creation was 6/24 hour days.

:B-fly: I agree,you are right!!! Amen & amen.

 

[Barbarian]

What cubedbee told you is not speculation. It has actually been tested. Highly accurate clocks aboard the Apollo spacecraft showed that time was slowed for the ship and crew, due to relativistic effects of speed.

It also can be observed in the behavior of very fast-moving elementary particles.

It's real.

 

[Routerider]

Chapter 1:3-29.
When this was written timex was not yet around. They had no concept of hours minutes and seconds as we do. The language is written in terms so that not only would they understand, but each generation after. The eveving and the morning is a phrase to designate one day passing. Not eons of time

:Fade-color So you mean that God wanted to make it very hard for his creation to understand him and his word?
So if you are not a linguist or someone who knows what time was when the words of the bible was written,then you don't understand what God meant?
I DON'T THINK SO!!!!
God is all for common sense,amen.

Actually I disagree...the english Bible is basically a pseudo version of the real thing. The Hebrew and Greek language is MUCH more diverse and powerful than the English language. You are basically relying on the particular English interpreter [King James etc] to get the correct wording. If you're not using a Greek/Hebrew Lexicon to lookup words....you could have a somewhat *simple* and unacurate understanding of what some passages are saying.
I'll be flat honest....the Bible is not extremely clear on all things. I can easily find two diehard Christians, one who believes Baptism is required for entrance to heaven and one who doesn't. They'll both have verses to backup their position.
I believe the message of Christ is simple for the most part...but the Bible as a whole is fairly challening to understand due to the language barrier and the interpretation needed.

 

[saved]

What cubedbee told you is not speculation. It has actually been tested. Highly accurate clocks aboard the Apollo spacecraft showed that time was slowed for the ship and crew, due to relativistic effects of speed.

It also can be observed in the behavior of very fast-moving elementary particles.

It's real.

There has never been any such test to prove this. It is specualtion. If you think there has give the test and the results with real data. The earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days like the bible teaches in its discription.

 

[cubedbee]

What cubedbee told you is not speculation. It has actually been tested. Highly accurate clocks aboard the Apollo spacecraft showed that time was slowed for the ship and crew, due to relativistic effects of speed.

It also can be observed in the behavior of very fast-moving elementary particles.

It's real.

There has never been any such test to prove this. It is specualtion. If you think there has give the test and the results with real data. The earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days like the bible teaches in its discription.

The Bible says nothing about the length of the days. You are just stating what you wish to believe, not what is written in the Bible.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae611.cfm
http://www.mpi-hd.mpg.de/ato/rel/

 

[Barbarian]

Hafele&Keating, Around-the-World Atomic Clocks
Science, 1972 v177, p166-170

Around-the-World Atomic Clocks: Predicted Relativistic Time Gains

During October 1971, four cesium beam atomic clocks were flows on
regularly scheduled commercial jet flights around the world twice,
once eastward and once westward, to test Einstein's theory of
relativity with macroscopic clocks. From the actual flight paths of
each trip, the theory predicts that the flying clocks, compared
with reference clocks at the U.S. Naval observatory, should have
lost 40+-23 nanoseconds during the eastward trip, and should have
gained 275+-21 nanoseconds during the westward trip. The observed
time differences are presented in the report that follows this one.

Around-the-World Atomic Clocks: Observed Relativistic Time Gains

Four cesium beam clocks flown around the world on commercial jet
flights during October 1971, once eastward and once westward,
recorded directionally dependent time differences which are in good
agreement with predictions of conventional relativity th eory.
Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory,
the flying clocks lost 59+-10 nanoseconds during the eatward trip
and gained 273+-7 nanoseconds during the westward trip, where the
errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results
provide an unambiguous emperical resolution of the famous clock
"paradox" with macroscopic clocks.

It's true.

 

[saved]

What cubedbee told you is not speculation. It has actually been tested. Highly accurate clocks aboard the Apollo spacecraft showed that time was slowed for the ship and crew, due to relativistic effects of speed.

It also can be observed in the behavior of very fast-moving elementary particles.

It's real.

There has never been any such test to prove this. It is specualtion. If you think there has give the test and the results with real data. The earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days like the bible teaches in its discription.

The Bible says nothing about the length of the days. You are just stating what you wish to believe, not what is written in the Bible.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae611.cfm
http://www.mpi-hd.mpg.de/ato/rel/

The bible says the evening and the mnorning is the first day and so on. Thos ewho love and know the Lord believe what He says and iot is clear he is speaking about a literal day as we know it.

 

[Barbarian]

As St. Augustine pointed out, it is absurd to talk about literal days, with no sun to mark the mornings and evenings

 

[Routerider]

I've also recently read an article [written by a Christian] who mentioned that Genesis talks about the seeds bringing forth plants etc...this doesn't happen in one 24 hour day...this may be support for the idea that the word "yome" was not intended to mean a day but an "extended period of time".
Just something to think about.

 

[cd27]

it was six days to create , six LITERAL earth days. the seventh was when he rested. if you go to http://www.drdino.com look at science, then articles, go to physics, and it says something about proving how six day creation with physics is possible, read that, and you'll see why it was a literal six day creation. one job my science team is trying to do is prove that our galaxy is the center of the universe, pretty far fetched huh? well, read that article and you'll see why i want to do that. it will be a very difficult task, very difficult indeed, but with god's hand, i can do it.

 

[Barabbas]

I believe the Scriptures indicate a 6 day creation period followed by a 7th day of rest.
Yol Bolsun.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

it was six days to create , six LITERAL earth days. the seventh was when he rested. if you go to http://www.drdino.com look at science, then articles, go to physics, and it says something about proving how six day creation with physics is possible, read that, and you'll see why it was a literal six day creation. one job my science team is trying to do is prove that our galaxy is the center of the universe, pretty far fetched huh? well, read that article and you'll see why i want to do that. it will be a very difficult task, very difficult indeed, but with god's hand, i can do it.

Could you link directly to that? I've looked at all of the physical science ones and none of them describe this. In fact they're all a bunch of crap from what I've read so far. The man claims that red shift is not usable because physical homogenaeity of the universe cannot be show to be true.(This is of course absolutely absurd, were the universe physically heterogeneous it would be immediately apparent) I'd like him to give a better explanation of superluminal recession. :roll:
The rest of the articles in this section are crap. The man doesn't understand thing one about orbital mechanics, BBT, cosmology, etc to make any cogent points.
If you want to actually learn something about physics, go here: http://arxiv.org
Hovind is not a source of any sort of reliable information.

 

[victorhadin]

Well he probably aimed for six, as we all like a good bit of rest on a Sunday, but anyone with engineering experience knows that big projects tend to overrun... and the construction of the world is fairly large, as projects go.

I mean, he is the supreme being, so I reckon that he might have been able to cut down that overrun to just a day instead of, say, a further two weeks (what with error-checking and paperwork) by working overtime.

So, yes; I say seven days.






(;))

 

[Quath]

Six or seven days.... either way it is way too long for an omnipotent God. I expect instantaneous and no less. And why does an omnipotent God need to rest? If He is truly omnipotent, then He exerted almost 0% of His energy doing this.

Give me the good old days when gods had to actually work to create. Like killing giants or whatnot.

Quath

 

[Vic C.]

And why does an omnipotent God need to rest?

LOL, the rest was symbolic and done for us to model. We need the pest, not Him. :D

 

[Barbarian]

If the seventh day was "symbolic", maybe the early Christians were right,and the other six were symbolic, too.