*sigh* This is like the kid with glasses in the school yard pointing to the kid with no glasses and calling him four eyes because they both read books. It's insane. Humanism isn't a religion, it;s a philosophy, but even if it was then so what? if being a religion is so bad then why are you in one?
freeway01 said:
Secular Humanism - Main Tool is Evolutionary Thought
Secular Humanism is manifested in Evolutionary Theory. To satisfy the fundamental question of "Where did we come from?" children are taught the doctrine of Evolution. The first plank of the Humanist Manifesto states: "Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created." The second plank states: "Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process." Certainly, the public school system propagates the Humanist doctrine (clearly an atheistic "religion"), and thus, condemns the concept of God. This is an amazing irony. Creation Science has been successfully kept out of the public schools by organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (A.C.L.U.) on the grounds that Creation is religious, and the government should not support religion in any fashion. "In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it, and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit with it." (H. S. Lipson, FRS, Professor of Physics, University of Manchester, UK, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution", Physics Bulletin, vol. 31, May 1980, pg. 138).
if walks like a duck and quakes like a duck, well then it must be a rabbit, says the evolutionist, but no, its not religion because we never use the word "believe" no wait we use that one
: , but we never use the world "if" no we use that one to
: .. well we never use the word probably..no we use that one to
: but I swear we are not a religion... sure your not :wink:
:roll: Look, all of the above is a propaganda piece from
secular-humanism.com who have gone out of their way to lie for Christ, something you should be disgusted with yourselves as lying is a sin, especially in His name, by the way. Almost all of the stuff on every page is tainted with dark propaganda that is simply untrue. In fact there is so much dishonesty, specifically in the above quote I feel obliged to tackle it...
Secular Humanism is a philosophy. Atheism is a lack of a belief in a deity. Not all atheists are Humanists.
Secular Humanism - Main Tool is Evolutionary Thought Secular Humanism is manifested in Evolutionary Theory.
Secular Humanism has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. One is a philosophy, the other is a scientific field merging biology, genetics, geology, and a pile of other fields to build a accurate picture of the evolution of every creature on the planet. Many Secular Humanists embrace evolution but not because they are Secular Humanists but because evolution make sense and is backed up by mountains of mutually verifiable evidence.
To satisfy the fundamental question of "Where did we come from?" children are taught the doctrine of Evolution.
Children are taught FACTS in school, they are not taught evolutionary theory to answer any fundamental question of "Where did we come from?", they are taught evolutionary theory to help explain to them how complex life changes and adapts. How cancer works, how DNA works, how we can trace illnesses back through a bloodline, how one creature is related to another creature, how creatures adapt to their environments, how viruses evolve in a matter of days to become immune to antiviral drugs...look, if we didn't teach people this stuff then you have no doctors, no medical research, no breakthroughs...nothing. In fact evolution does the question of "Where did we come from?" but it does not even try to answer the question of "Where did all life come from?" because that involves abiogenesis and that is not evolution, that's chemistry. But notice how certain words are dishonestly used? Like "doctrine", this is no way to behave, especially for a Christian. A doctrine is a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by a group. The theory of evolution is a working model generated by the evidence to logically unite the facts from a myriad of scientific fields. Nobody would, or should, accept evolution as 'authoritative' just because someone says so, just as there is no doctrine for atomic theory there is no doctrine for evolutionary theory.
The first plank of the Humanist Manifesto states: "Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created." The second plank states: "Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process."
Because Humanism is a
philosophy. But notice the sly use of the word religious. Yes, some people can be religious humanists, just as some people are religions about money, or religious about cleaning. That does not mean that humanism is a religion, because it's not. What the author has done is a false equivocation fallacy. They're trying to equate 'religion' with 'religious' as meaning the same thing, this is a dishonest practice. Someone can be religious about something without being in a religion.
Certainly, the public school system propagates the Humanist doctrine (clearly an atheistic "religion"),
Which public school system? I live in the UK were Christianity is taught to all children as a matter of law. In the US where you have the first amendment church is kept out of the class room, or is should. Many schools DO teach humanism, but many religions, including sects of Christianity have also adopted elements of humanism. As they should because REAL humanism, not that garbage peddled by
secular-humanist.com, makes sense, it's rational.
and thus, condemns the concept of God.
Of course it doesn't. This is the part where you, Christians, are being manipulated by the theists over at
secular-humanist.com to automatically defend against at attack that does not exist. Secular Humanists would fight for your right to believe in whatever deity you wished. That's the point. An atheist secular humanist might point out the reasons why you might be wrong in your beliefs but this in no way condemns the concept of God, what an absurd thing to say.
This is humanism...
Humanism is a broad category of ethical philosophies that affirm the dignity and worth of all people, based on the ability to determine right and wrong by appeal to universal human qualities  particularly rationality. It is a component of a variety of more specific philosophical systems and is incorporated into several religious schools of thought. Humanism entails a commitment to the search for truth and morality through human means in support of human interests. In focusing on the capacity for self-determination, humanism rejects the validity of transcendental justifications, such as a dependence on belief without reason, the supernatural, or texts of allegedly divine origin. Humanists endorse universal morality based on the commonality of the human condition, suggesting that solutions to human social and cultural problems cannot be parochial.
This is an amazing irony.
They can say
that again.
Creation Science has been successfully kept out of the public schools by organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (A.C.L.U.) on the grounds that Creation is religious, and the government should not support religion in any fashion.
Could they be any more dishonest? The A.C.L.U. (among others, including parents and the teachers themselves) wanted Creation Science kept out of the SCIENCE class room because Creation Science is not science, it is religion. It' is creationism. Not only is is utterly debunked but it has nothing to say, it offers nothing but a conclusion with no evidence what so ever for it's huge claims. The government in the US has the first amendment so
"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it, and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit with it." (H. S. Lipson, FRS, Professor of Physics, University of Manchester, UK, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution", Physics Bulletin, vol. 31, May 1980, pg. 138).
This old chestnut is an absolute cliche'. Search for it and you will find it on thousands of creationist websites. But what is he saying really? In his opinion evolution is so popular that it's almost like a religion, in the sense that millions follow it and no longer question it, the reason is because the evidence is utterly conclusive, there is no longer any doubt the evolution is correct, indeed these days it's only in the finer details that scientists have any debate at all. Then Lipson says something astonishing for a scientists, he generalises in a huge ugly show is bias against evolution and says that many scientists would bend their findings to fit in with evolution but he offers NO evidence, he names no names, he points to no finding that have been "bent". However, Lipson is a creationist himself, although he sees creationism not as the only logical or evidence based explanations but the only personally acceptable explanation, in other words he a materialist who also believes, for whatever reason, that God created the universe and so all his colleagues go against him when they support evolution. He does not like it and lashes out, claiming vaguely that "many scientists are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit with evolution" when in reality it is him, and him alone, who is actively ignoring the evidence in order to support creationism, because he "likes that option better".
Evolution is a
scientific theory. a scientific theory is a logical working model that explains scientific observations and unites facts derived from evidence and observation. Scientific theories must also be falsifiable.
Religon is something else entirely...
re·li·gion
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
I'm sorry but Mr Lipson was talking out of his bottom. I wonder if he thinks atomic theory has become like "in a sense a scientific religion" because most scientists accept it theses days...?
