Bible Study Crucifixion of Jesus

[for_his_glory]

It actually should be called Good Thursday.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Three days and three nights and Jesus being raised early on the first day of the week being Sunday at sunrise would mean Jesus had to be crucified on a Thursday according to our calendar. The first day would be Thursday to Thursday night at sunset (1 day, 1 night) to Friday sunrise to sunset (two days, 2 nights) Saturday from sunrise to sunset (3 days 3 nights). Sabbath day being from Friday at sunset to Saturday sunset and Christ being raised early on Sunday at sunrise being the first day of the week shows it had to be a Thursday around the 9th hour when Jesus died.

Thursday at the 3rd hour according to Jewish tradition noon time (12 PM) was the 6th hour of the day as the break of dawn would be the 1st hour of the day. So Thursday morning sometime before the 6th hour Jesus was nailed to the cross. From the 6th hour to the 9th hour (three hours 12 PM to 3 PM) there was darkness over the land where Jesus hung on the cross. Around the 9th hour Jesus yielded up the ghost and died.

From the day being late Thursday afternoon (first day, first night) brings us through to Sunday at sunrise being three days and three nights with Christ being raised from the grave early Sunday morning.

Matthew Chapter 26-28

Using the Lunar solar calendar in two days I believe Jesus was speaking about High Sabbath, different from regular Sabbath, that would begin in two days on the 22nd of Nisan as they were already celebrating the seven day Passover of Unleavened Bread that started at sunset on the 15th of Nisan after the days of preparation that started on the 13th of Nisan as all the yeast had to be taken out of the home and all the food prepared for seven days. Since the Festival of Unleavened Bread started on Friday at sunset to the following Saturday at sunset to sunrise being seven days this brings it to the next Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset being the High Sabbath.

The chief priest, scribes and elders of the people consulted that they would take Jesus that night and kill him (Wednesday night), but by Jewish law they could not kill him during feast day and this is why they handed Jesus over to Pilate. It would have been a Wednesday during the seven day festival that after they had finished the Lord's supper that they went with Jesus out to the mount of Olives that evening. Jesus told them this night after they went to the mount of Olives that he would be betrayed and arrested.

Here is the math. Jesus was arrested on Wednesday night on the mount of Olives where He and his disciples went to after the Lord's supper during the Festival of unleavened Bread. Thursday He faced Pilate and the people condemned Jesus. He was beaten and then nailed to the cross early in the morning hours and died around 3PM that afternoon after giving up the ghost. Thursday being the first day and first night He laid in the tomb would bring it to being three days and three nights ending at sunrise Sunday morning when God raised Him from the tomb.

 

[Beetow]

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A preponderance of textual evidence certifies that Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life during the third day rather than after the third was all over and
done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day rather
than during the third.

REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can indicate
moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also indicate moments
within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority decide how best to interpret
the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.

FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery was the
third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when they arrived?

REPLY: This is a mite confusing due to a natural day following close on the heels of
a liturgical day.

Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John 11:9-10)

The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1) which began
at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in accord with liturgy the
first day of the week began with sunset Saturday, whereas in accord with nature it
began with sunrise Sunday morning. I can't advise folks how best to untangle the
confusion resulting from mixing and mashing liturgical days with natural days
'cause I can't even do it myself. It's definitely a bit of a challenge.

FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one of the
three nights?

REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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[Beetow]

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Jesus and his men ate their Passover the night of his arrest.

Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15

The Jews ate theirs the following night after he was dead and buried.

John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31

FAQ: The law of the Passover, per the 12th chapter of Exodus and Num 9:12, is very
explicit about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not wrong
for Jesus and his men to dine early?

REPLY: He, being a prophet in direct contact with God, would of course known the
precise moment that Passover that year was supposed to begin. So I think we can
assume the Jews' liturgical calendar was tardy the year that Christ was crucified.

Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.

● Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in
the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest
Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.

Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing their
lambs for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.

The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been correct,
then he would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred event with his men;
something he really wanted to do

● Luke 22:14-15 . .Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat
down together at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with
deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins.
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[for_his_glory]

Beetow You have to remember it was from sunset to sunrise in the numbering of days Jesus was first crucified and laid in His tomb. The numbering would bring it to sunrise on the first day of the week being sunrise Sunday morning that Jesus was raised from the tomb.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just so you'll know: I have no intention of remembering anything that you
or anybody else to say on the internet relative to Jesus' crucifixion and/or
his resurrection. Suum Cuique
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Then why are you here other then to boast and think that you have all knowledge!!!

These are forums where we discuss the scriptures as we share with each other. There is no room for boasting.

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

Thursday also fits with the law of the Passover lamb. On the tenth day of the month, each household was to choose the lamb that they would sacrifice. It is my understanding that this is what happened when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and it was said, "Behold your king! Riding on a donkey." And the people cried out as one, "Behold him who comes in the name of the Lord." On that Sunday afternoon, first day of the week, as the Scriptures seem to describe the day of the week, the people of Israel in Jerusalem chose Jesus. Many declared that he was their king and was sent by Lord.

Then they were to take care of the chosen lamb until the 14th day of the week... four days later. On the14th day of the week they were to slaughter the Passover lamb at twilight. On that day as Jesus was dying on that cross, God literally made it twilight in the middle of the day so that this law of the Passover was fulfilled. But from the first day of the week when they chose the lamb until the 14th day when they slaughtered the lamb would indicate Sunday as the day of choosing and Thursday as the day of slaughter. And also, because Thursday would have been the day of the slaughter of the Passover lamb, then Friday would have been a special Sabbath not like the normal and regular 7th day Sabbath. John accounts for us that the people wanted Jesus taken down from the cross because the next day was such a 'special' Sabbath.

So personally, I don't have any problem with Jesus' crucifixion actually being carried out on Thursday which would make the 3 days and nights in the tomb easily recognized without all of the gymnastics that people tend to go through to make Friday work as the day of the crucifixion. Fortunately, knowing what day he died and what day he arose isn't particularly worthy knowledge as far as our salvation. But, it is possible that because of all the pretzel gymnastics that people go through to make Friday work, that some aren't able to see how clearly Jesus' words as to his being in the belly of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, really applied.

I know that Jesus was the final Passover lamb and so I know that he would have somehow been prepared for his role according to the law. I can't find any other claim of the Scriptures, than the triumphal entry on the first day of the week, that would clearly show us that Jesus was chosen by the people as the law allowed that the Passover lamb must be. And if I am correct that Jesus was chosen as the law required as the Passover lamb, during this celebratory cheering and crying out of his coming in the name of the Lord, then 4 days later he would have been required to be slaughtered at twilight according to the law of Passover. And it does seem to be clear that God Himself made it twilight as we read of the darkness that came over the earth as he was being sacrificed.

Now, it is possible that someone might say, "well, when the people cried out before Pilate, 'crucify him', they were choosing Jesus as the Passover lamb." But then that doesn't work at all as far as the timing of the law between choosing and the slaughter. Jesus would have to have been slaughtered during the next week for there to have been four days from their choosing him when they cried out to Pilate to crucify him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

Thursday also fits with the law of the Passover lamb. On the tenth day of the month, each household was to choose the lamb that they would sacrifice. It is my understanding that this is what happened when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and it was said, "Behold your king! Riding on a donkey." And the people cried out as one, "Behold him who comes in the name of the Lord." On that Sunday afternoon, first day of the week, as the Scriptures seem to describe the day of the week, the people of Israel in Jerusalem chose Jesus. Many declared that he was their king and was sent by Lord.

Then they were to take care of the chosen lamb until the 14th day of the week... four days later. On the14th day of the week they were to slaughter the Passover lamb at twilight. On that day as Jesus was dying on that cross, God literally made it twilight in the middle of the day so that this law of the Passover was fulfilled. But from the first day of the week when they chose the lamb until the 14th day when they slaughtered the lamb would indicate Sunday as the day of choosing and Thursday as the day of slaughter. And also, because Thursday would have been the day of the slaughter of the Passover lamb, then Friday would have been a special Sabbath not like the normal and regular 7th day Sabbath. John accounts for us that the people wanted Jesus taken down from the cross because the next day was such a 'special' Sabbath.

So personally, I don't have any problem with Jesus' crucifixion actually being carried out on Thursday which would make the 3 days and nights in the tomb easily recognized without all of the gymnastics that people tend to go through to make Friday work as the day of the crucifixion. Fortunately, knowing what day he died and what day he arose isn't particularly worthy knowledge as far as our salvation. But, it is possible that because of all the pretzel gymnastics that people go through to make Friday work, that some aren't able to see how clearly Jesus' words as to his being in the belly of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, really applied.

I know that Jesus was the final Passover lamb and so I know that he would have somehow been prepared for his role according to the law. I can't find any other claim of the Scriptures, than the triumphal entry on the first day of the week, that would clearly show us that Jesus was chosen by the people as the law allowed that the Passover lamb must be. And if I am correct that Jesus was chosen as the law required as the Passover lamb, during this celebratory cheering and crying out of his coming in the name of the Lord, then 4 days later he would have been required to be slaughtered at twilight according to the law of Passover. And it does seem to be clear that God Himself made it twilight as we read of the darkness that came over the earth as he was being sacrificed.

Now, it is possible that someone might say, "well, when the people cried out before Pilate, 'crucify him', they were choosing Jesus as the Passover lamb." But then that doesn't work at all as far as the timing of the law between choosing and the slaughter. Jesus would have to have been slaughtered during the next week for there to have been four days from their choosing him when they cried out to Pilate to crucify him.

The High Sabbath is very different than a regular Sabbath.

Jesus instituted this New Testament ordinance on the eve of His death. It was the 14th Abib/Nisan, March/April Hebrew Lunar calendar. He was our Passover, sacrificed for us and He was sacrificed on the same exact day of the year that the Passover lambs always had been slain, Exodus 12:1-6. As the Old Testament Passover commemorated Israel’s deliverance from Egypt, a type of sin, so the New Testament Lord’s Supper is a continuation of the Passover with different emblems commemorates Jesus' death, and our deliverance from sin. Immediately after the last supper, Jesus and His disciples went out to Gethsemane, where later that night, Judas Iscariot led the bloodthirsty mob who seized Jesus, and led him away to be crucified during the morning of the 14th day of the month of Abib. Matthew 26:1-5.

The Passover is described in Exodus 12 being the 14th of the first month of the new year being Nisan (March April) according to the Jewish Lunar Solar Calendar. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th day of Nisan/April, Exodus 12:6, which begins Thursday after sundown and ends Friday at sundown. Nisan 15 being a Sabbath never changes even if current dates do not match up year after year.

Exodus 12:1-12 God gives instruction for the meal before He passes over Egypt killing the firstborn beginning at midnight. Notice they were to be fully dressed with staffs in their hands as they sat inside their dwellings and at this meal in the evening. If anything was left over from their lambs it was to be burnt up in the morning before they began their journey out of Egypt.

Hebrew weekly Sabbath starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday night at sunset. This was a different Sabbath called a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This High Sabbath began the first day at sunset through the last day at sunset during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Exodus 12:14, 15. Beginning the 14th at sunset making it Saturday the 15th to Friday the 21st at sunset. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it is the High Sabbath that begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6-8.

Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started at sunset on the 14th making it Saturday, the beginning day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread would have been prepared on Wednesday the 12th that Jesus ate supper with His disciples being the last supper, not the Passover Seder. On the 12th at sunset begins Thursday the 13th being the Fast of the Firstborn.

Wednesday the 12th after the disciples sat and ate with Jesus in the evening being the last supper Jesus would eat with them being in the very place in the upper room where they were told by Jesus to prepare the Passover meal. The disciples went with Him that evening, possibly after sunset making it Thursday the 13th (some call it Maundy Thursday) as He went to pray in the garden in Gethsemane.

(Note: this was not the Passover Seder, but only the last supper Jesus would eat with His disciples. Passover meal would not begin until after sunset on Friday the 14th when the 15th day begins at sunset at the end of the 14th)

Wednesday the 12th Jesus was betrayed by Judas then arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Thursday the 13th very early in the morning Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus and according to Roman law He was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour (3:00 PM) and died at the ninth hour (6:00PM) the same day when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.

Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Thursday the 13th in the evening before sunset making it the 1st day and the 1st night (14th) that He died. So we have Thursday being the first day and first night – Friday 2nd day and 2nd night – Saturday 3rd day 3rd night being raised sometime between Saturday after sunset and sunrise Sunday morning.

According to Leviticus 23:5-8 The Passover feast is a different day then the Feast of Unleavened Bread as it was eaten in the evening of the 14th before the Lord passed over Egypt on the 15th.

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

Just curious. What day was the first of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified, as to the day of the week? Was it the first day or the second day or the third day or the fourth day or the fifth day or the sixth day or the seventh day of the week that the first day of nisan fell on in the year that Jesus was crucified?

 

[for_his_glory]

miamited

Exo 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

The first month being the first Passover when God establish the Lunar Calendar giving it to Moses was the 14th Abib/Nisan, (March/April). Jesus was our final Passover Lamb sacrificed for us and He was sacrificed on the same exact day of the year that the Passover lambs always had been slain, Exodus 12:1-6.

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[miamited]

Thank you for_his_glory for your response. However, that doesn't answer the question that I asked. What day, of the seven days of the Jewish week, did the first of nisan fall on in the year that Jesus was crucified. I'm asking was it day 1 or day 2, etc? You see, you can't know with any surety what day of the week Jesus was crucified unless you know what day of the week would have been the 14th day of the month of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified. All we can know that we know from the account of the days of the crucifixion record is that the women went to visit the tomb to anoint Jesus' body on the first day of the week. However, if we know what day of the Jewish week the 1st of nisan was in the year that Jesus was crucified, then it's an easy matter to count out the 14 day requirement of the Passover and then know what day of the Jewish week it was that Jesus was crucified on.

For all practical purposes, the 'special' Sabbath that followed the day of Passover could have been on the first through the seventh day of the Jewish week depending on what day of the Jewish week was the 14th day of nisan, the day of Passover. So, can you tell me what day of the Jewish week either the 1st day of nisan was, or the 14th day of nisan was, in the year that our Lord was crucified. All we know from the Scriptures as to the accounting of days of the week is that the women visited the tomb early in the morning on the first day of the week. That would have been on Sunday as we now account the days on the Gregorian calendar. But the Jews didn't have Sunday through Saturday as their days. They had 6 days and then a Sabbath. 6 days, and then a Sabbath. 6 days and then a Sabbath. Their weeks were accounted by the Sabbath.

In Jesus's time, Jewish days of the week were counted sequentially, starting from the first day after Shabbat (Saturday) and continuing until the next Shabbat. Each day was numbered, with the Sabbath (Shabbat) being the only day with a non-numerical name. The week began on Sunday, and the days were referred to as "First Day," "Second Day," and so on, up to the seventh day, which was Shabbat.

 

[for_his_glory]

The date of the Passover (Pesach /Festival of Unleavened Bread) was in 1451 B.C. It is in accordance with the first full moon in the Hebrew calendar month of Nissan, which they used a Lunar calendar compared to our Georgian calendar. The date changes every year, but the day of festivals, like that of unleavened bread, stays the same every year. It's like your birthday, the day you were born is the same, but the date falls on a different day of the week every year. I was born Thursday Oct 7, 1954, but that day is not always on a Thursday.

Note: the 14th of Nisan was preparation day when all the Lamb's were slaughtered in preparation of the Passover,

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

I don't know why you keep ignoring my question. God bless. You keep pointing out the date and I keep asking for the day of the week. Obviously you either don't understand my question or don't have the answer.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

I don't know why you keep ignoring my question. God bless. You keep pointing out the date and I keep asking for the day of the week. Obviously you either don't understand my question or don't have the answer.

I'm sorry as I thought I pointed out that the day does not change, but the date falls on different days every year. It's not really that important other then to know what Jesus went through for the love He has for us.

 

[miamited]

I'm sorry as I thought I pointed out that the day does not change, but the date falls on different days every year. It's not really that important other then to know what Jesus went through for the love He has for us.

Hi for_his_glory

Yes, but that is not the truth of the matter. Do you realize that Christmas does not come on Wednesday every year? Similarly, Passover does not come on Tuesday every year. So yes, I'm sorry, but the 'day' does change pretty much every year, but the date does not. My query is regarding the day, but so far you seem to be unable to understand that and I honestly can't think of anyway to make it more clear.

And yes, it is important if you're going to make the claim that Jesus was crucified on Thursday or Friday as the day of the week that he was crucified. You can't know that unless you know what day (NOT DATE!!!!) was the first of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified or the day (AGAIN, NOT DATE!!!!) that would have been the fourteenth day of the month of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified. Why can't you? Well, because the day of the week changes every year with the dates of the month/year. Christmas does not come on Wednesday every year, does it? Passover doesn't come on Tuesday every year, does it?

So, one more time I will give this a try. Do you know what day, (day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6, Shabbat) did the date of the 14th of the month of nisan fall on in the year that Jesus was crucified?

 

[miamited]

Now, we can certainly say that Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of the month of nisan because that's what the law of the Shabbat teaches. But we can't know that the 14th day of the month of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucifed was day1, day2, day3, day4, day 5, or day 6. I think we can safely assume that it wasn't Shabbat because the Jews would have not crucified anyone on Shabbat. That would have been against their faith of what they were allowed to do on Shabbat.

Also consider that the Jewish day started with twilight. So, Jesus would have been crucified at twilight and then in the morning, after that evening, which would have been the same day as the Jews accounted their day start and ending, they had a special Shabbat on the very day that Jesus was crucified, according to how the Jews accounted the beginning and the end of a day.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

Yes, but that is not the truth of the matter. Do you realize that Christmas does not come on Wednesday every year? Similarly, Passover does not come on Tuesday every year. So yes, I'm sorry, but the 'day' does change pretty much every year, but the date does not. My query is regarding the day, but so far you seem to be unable to understand that and I honestly can't think of anyway to make it more clear.

And yes, it is important if you're going to make the claim that Jesus was crucified on Thursday or Friday as the day of the week that he was crucified. You can't know that unless you know what day (NOT DATE!!!!) was the first of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified or the day (AGAIN, NOT DATE!!!!) that would have been the fourteenth day of the month of nisan in the year that Jesus was crucified. Why can't you? Well, because the day of the week changes every year with the dates of the month/year. Christmas does not come on Wednesday every year, does it? Passover doesn't come on Tuesday every year, does it?

So, one more time I will give this a try. Do you know what day, (day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6, Shabbat) did the date of the 14th of the month of nisan fall on in the year that Jesus was crucified

Also consider that the Jewish day started with twilight. So, Jesus would have been crucified at twilight and then in the morning, after that evening, which would have been the same day as the Jews accounted their day start and ending, they had a special Shabbat on the very day that Jesus was crucified, according to how the Jews accounted the beginning and the end of a day.

I really do not know anymore than what I have already given you other then to try and find a copy of the original Lunar calendar. Here is a good website that will explain the Lunar Jewish calendar that might help show how dates will change, but never the days in order.

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