crystal-meth-actually-good-for-you-admit-doctors

[stovebolts]

I think it was funny, but then, I'm known as Captain Sarcasm in some circles.

So, would someone PLEASE tell me why anyone would throw their life away on drugs? Any kid with a room-temperature IQ knows the risks and dangers. Please tell me what the big deal is about a "high".

Please tell me why anyone would make yourself a loser. Tell me of all the happy, successful drug abusers.

I remember when Ted Nugent came to my kids' school to speak to the kids and parents in the 1990's. He told the story of how so many of his friends were broke or dead due to drugs. I remember Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull speaking of how he was made fun of by other rock and roll musicians cause he not only did not do drugs, but he prohibited his band members of getting involved in them as well.

So, where are these foolish kids getting the idea that drug abuse will bring them anything other than pain and suffering?

We are creatures of risk and reward, reward and consequence.
A better question might be: Why is the reward of getting high so great that an addict would loose everything, including their life for it?

A healthy individual will never be an addict because for them, the high doesn't return the reward that it returns to an addict. So what exactly is the reward?

As with Amphetimines, does it garnish intellectual sharpness, a since of self confidence? And for heroin, does it satisfy that inner need of warmth and nurturing?

Addicts lack the capacity for these fundamental human securities most of us take for granted. You can't fault a heroin addict for wanting that feeling that comes from being loved any more than any of us desire / require those feelings. And this is the reward opioids provide to those who are lacking, or grew up lacking as a child.

For those who grew up without a since of nurturing, their brain never developed the essential circuitry. Opioid bridge this gap, as do amphetimines for their respective circuitry.

 

[ezra]

Ha, that's a pretty funny parody on meth. Lol, I got a good chuckle out of it.

They ought to do a follow up with heroin lol.

so you get a chuckle out of burning up brain cells? i find your humor DISGUSTING :mad

 

[Christ_empowered]

ugh. not to do yet another antipsychiatry rant, but...how can we keep on with the (failing...) "War on Drugs," when we encourage people to deal with personal+spiritual problems with (prescribed) drugs?

Meth is rough. Amphetamines in general aren't exactly good for you, but even the legal stuff, Desoxyn, has now been demonstrated to cause more brain damage than comparable doses of other amphetamine preparations. Awesome. Did you know that there was a time, not too long ago, when amphetamines were combined with sedatives, barbiturates, tranquilizers in one pill? "Goof-balls..." they were top sellers for decades there, until public perception changed, and they were viewed not so much as "treatment" as "pep pills," etc.

Rambling. One can focus on how horrible drugs are, and that can be helpful, to a point, but...we're now living a culture that's hooked on all kindsa drugs. Something like 1 in 10 American adults takes at least one psych drug daily, and many of these people do not even have a diagnosis. Millions more may not be "addicted" to any drugs, but they'll pop whatever they can, when they can, to take the edge off.

"The personal is political." I know--how very 70s of you, LOL. But I do think its true. From a Christian perspective, Jesus saves us from: sin, satan, self, death, and --The World-- (note the caps, lol). Why are so many people on all kinds of drugs, legal and illegal? I think its rooted in social and economic factors. Families aren't solid and stable like they once were. communities lack "the ties that bind." While some people have moved up the totem pole, downward mobility seems to be the "New Normal" in America, that and working more and more for wages that have largely fallen flat (actually, in terms of buying power, I seem to recall reading that a lot of Americans are making less than they were decades ago...).

And the "solution"? The going "progressive" answer is "treatment," but again...what are you "treating" here, really? Looks to me like labeling a bunch of people with DSM-stuff and flooding Mental Health, Inc. w/ more $$$ --might-- be a better use of resources than, say, jail and prison, but...at a certain level, its more of the same, isn't it? The drug user--whether labeled a "criminal" or a "person in need of treatment"--is a symptom of larger problems.

((off soap box...for now...))

 

[ezra]

ugh. not to do yet another antipsychiatry rant, but...how can we keep on with the (failing...) "War on Drugs," when we encourage people to deal with personal+spiritual problems with (prescribed) drugs?

Meth is rough. Amphetamines in general aren't exactly good for you, but even the legal stuff, Desoxyn, has now been demonstrated to cause more brain damage than comparable doses of other amphetamine preparations. Awesome. Did you know that there was a time, not too long ago, when amphetamines were combined with sedatives, barbiturates, tranquilizers in one pill? "Goof-balls..." they were top sellers for decades there, until public perception changed, and they were viewed not so much as "treatment" as "pep pills," etc.

Rambling. One can focus on how horrible drugs are, and that can be helpful, to a point, but...we're now living a culture that's hooked on all kindsa drugs. Something like 1 in 10 American adults takes at least one psych drug daily, and many of these people do not even have a diagnosis. Millions more may not be "addicted" to any drugs, but they'll pop whatever they can, when they can, to take the edge off.

"The personal is political." I know--how very 70s of you, LOL. But I do think its true. From a Christian perspective, Jesus saves us from: sin, satan, self, death, and --The World-- (note the caps, lol). Why are so many people on all kinds of drugs, legal and illegal? I think its rooted in social and economic factors. Families aren't solid and stable like they once were. communities lack "the ties that bind." While some people have moved up the totem pole, downward mobility seems to be the "New Normal" in America, that and working more and more for wages that have largely fallen flat (actually, in terms of buying power, I seem to recall reading that a lot of Americans are making less than they were decades ago...).

And the "solution"? The going "progressive" answer is "treatment," but again...what are you "treating" here, really? Looks to me like labeling a bunch of people with DSM-stuff and flooding Mental Health, Inc. w/ more $$$ --might-- be a better use of resources than, say, jail and prison, but...at a certain level, its more of the same, isn't it? The drug user--whether labeled a "criminal" or a "person in need of treatment"--is a symptom of larger problems.

((off soap box...for now...))

we have a pill for a pill i know man hurt in a construction accident fell about 30 feet .lives off pain pills .he is trying to find a doctor who can help him get off them.. he tries to not take them at night can,t sleep breaks out in bad sweat .. America has a bad drug problem

 

[stovebolts]

so you get a chuckle out of burning up brain cells? i find your humor DISGUSTING :mad

It's parody, lighten up.

You don't honestly believe that's real news.... I hope.

 

[stovebolts]

we have a pill for a pill i know man hurt in a construction accident fell about 30 feet .lives off pain pills .he is trying to find a doctor who can help him get off them.. he tries to not take them at night can,t sleep breaks out in bad sweat .. America has a bad drug problem

My brother fell off a cliff. They gave him oxycontin. He got addicted, and couldnt afford them on the black market so he went to hetoin. Then he couldn't hold down the job he had over 5 years and got fired.
He started selling heroin to support his oxycontin habit and did very well for himself as a supplier and dealer of heroin.

5 years ago he died from a dirty needle. Just a few months before his death he told Mom he was either going to die or end up in prison.

 

[Christ_empowered]

the "opioid epidemic" is crazy, to me. Dr.Thomas Szasz--the brilliant psychiatrist I am forever referencing--wrote that the whole prescription drug system should be abolished. Sounds...well, crazy (LOL), but...his point was that we supposedly have a free market. We don't, really, but...the prescription system makes things extra ridiculous, as do anti-drug laws. Drugs should be legal and readily available, no prescriptions or anything required. His thinking was that then the free market rules would apply, and people would pay for their own drugs, make their own selections, no insurance or anything.

To me, that makes a lot of sense. If one could just roll up on a massive drug store and have access to however much of whatever one could afford, no questions asked, no "professional" control involved...costs of various drugs would go down, considerably...quickly, too. Think about it. If someone was in severe pain and could roll up on Drug Emporium, Inc. and choose to pay for the pain killer(s) one preferred and could afford, why bother with the medical establishment? Drugs that got the job done--whether its treating cancer or pain or acid reflux--for the least amount of $$$, while causing the fewest adverse effects ("side effects," to use medical jargon), would soar in sales, while those that were over-priced, didn't get the job done, caused too many problems, or...whatever...would not sell as well, and would probably eventually disappear from the market, never to be heard from again.

There's this semi-local psychiatrist...he's uber-rich now, because he spent a couple years doing private practice work and then started up a chain of "treatment centers" (outpatient, of course) for "opioid dependence." read in between the lines: dude cashes in on his MD and his psychiatric "expertise" to open up a chain of places where a doctor writes out a prescription for Suboxone to replace the more euphoric pills and/or street drugs, while some counselors sell conversation to "help" people "on the road to recover," blah blah blah. Undoubtedly, ongoing "treatment" probably requires regular visits with some "professional" at the "treatment center," which I'm guessing is covered by many private insurance plans, now that "mental health parity" is becoming a (sad) reality. Some places like this in other places (I'm thinking of Florida, in particular...man oh man, the whole state was crawling with pill mills for a while there...) even have an on-site pharmacy that will gladly fill your hot off the presses prescription(s)..

...and this is "standard treatment," apparently. Clearly, rehab is an amazingly profitable industry. So is "medical treatment" of being overweight (Bariatrics, I think its called...), medical treatment of not being attractive enough (plastic surgery+dermatology), etc. etc. etc.

 

[jasonc]

Drugs? So I should market antifreeze?
No matter what we do we will always have users .I prefer what portugual did over downright it's legal to sell any poison of choosing.

 

[stovebolts]

the "opioid epidemic" is crazy, to me. Dr.Thomas Szasz--the brilliant psychiatrist I am forever referencing--wrote that the whole prescription drug system should be abolished. Sounds...well, crazy (LOL), but...his point was that we supposedly have a free market. We don't, really, but...the prescription system makes things extra ridiculous, as do anti-drug laws. Drugs should be legal and readily available, no prescriptions or anything required. His thinking was that then the free market rules would apply, and people would pay for their own drugs, make their own selections, no insurance or anything.

To me, that makes a lot of sense. If one could just roll up on a massive drug store and have access to however much of whatever one could afford, no questions asked, no "professional" control involved...costs of various drugs would go down, considerably...quickly, too. Think about it. If someone was in severe pain and could roll up on Drug Emporium, Inc. and choose to pay for the pain killer(s) one preferred and could afford, why bother with the medical establishment? Drugs that got the job done--whether its treating cancer or pain or acid reflux--for the least amount of $$$, while causing the fewest adverse effects ("side effects," to use medical jargon), would soar in sales, while those that were over-priced, didn't get the job done, caused too many problems, or...whatever...would not sell as well, and would probably eventually disappear from the market, never to be heard from again.

There's this semi-local psychiatrist...he's uber-rich now, because he spent a couple years doing private practice work and then started up a chain of "treatment centers" (outpatient, of course) for "opioid dependence." read in between the lines: dude cashes in on his MD and his psychiatric "expertise" to open up a chain of places where a doctor writes out a prescription for Suboxone to replace the more euphoric pills and/or street drugs, while some counselors sell conversation to "help" people "on the road to recover," blah blah blah. Undoubtedly, ongoing "treatment" probably requires regular visits with some "professional" at the "treatment center," which I'm guessing is covered by many private insurance plans, now that "mental health parity" is becoming a (sad) reality. Some places like this in other places (I'm thinking of Florida, in particular...man oh man, the whole state was crawling with pill mills for a while there...) even have an on-site pharmacy that will gladly fill your hot off the presses prescription(s)..

...and this is "standard treatment," apparently. Clearly, rehab is an amazingly profitable industry. So is "medical treatment" of being overweight (Bariatrics, I think its called...), medical treatment of not being attractive enough (plastic surgery+dermatology), etc. etc. etc.

Ha, I'm all for the decriminalization of drugs, but I'm not ready to jump on that band wagon lol

 

[Christ_empowered]

yeah...i dunno. im not really committed to the free market like a lot of people are, but...I think Szasz makes an interesting point. I mean, think about it...let's say you have a tumor. OK, so you get different recommendations on what chemo drugs or whatever to take. Thanks to The Internet, you can also access data on just how (in)effective the different options are, adverse effects, etc. And then...you march on down to Drug Mart or whatever, and you're down to 3 options. Keep in mind that in Szasz's world, there's no insurance coverage, no prescription regulations, just...you, your $$$, and hopefully some help in making a reasonably informed decision. Now, you--and however many 1,000s of people in situations just like your own--get to choose your own treatment, based on your own preferences and available monies, and whatever factors go into all this.

Think about it. I'm not gung ho about un-fettered capitalism, but I see Szasz's point. Big Pharma's products would have to actually perform and meet consumer expectations in order to stay afloat. If a treatment for your tumor is slightly more effective than the other 2 options, but 10x as expensive, you (and people in similar situations...) will come to a decision about which one to pay for and take.

And the feel good drugs? OK. Let's say you're all sortsa stressed and you're having anxiey attacks. Szasz, of course, was a psychiatrist, so its probably appropriate to focus on brain altering drugs here. The way things are now, if you want/need something that isn't available w/o a prescription, or you lack connections to get whatever drug(s) you please, you head over to a doctor. The doctor writes a prescription for...something. Sometimes its a shiny, new, expensive pill. Sometimes, its an old stand-by, like a month's worth of Ativan or something. From what I've read, some doctors are going off label in a big way and giving people with anxiety antipsychotics, old and new.

In Szasz's world, you have however much $$$, and you run on down to drug mart. what will you choose? My best guess...something that works fast, is fairly non-toxic, and makes you feel good...but still leaves enough normal brain function so you can do something with your day. So...

...as you and 10,000s of other people make these decisions, each and every day, more toxic and less effective drugs start disappearing, as do over-priced drugs. Drugs that slow you down too much to work or whatever drop in popularity, as do drugs that make you feel worse instead of achieving whatever effect it is you're after.

See where Szasz is goin with this? Especially when you're dealing with things like pain management and psychiatry, MDs and DOs function as gate keepers to drugs. Any number of factors affect their prescribing habits, many of which have --nothing-- to do with you, your problems, your needs, etc.

In a genuinely free market, doctors would have to justify their fee. My best guess is that psychiatry and pain management would cease to exist as specialties, while cancer docs might be able to command princely sums for their expertise. With the prescription system scrapped, no MD/DO could --tell-- you what to take, much less force treatment upon you, but those with more specialized, potentially life saving knowledge would profit mightily, while the shrinks and pain management doctors would probably go out of business. I mean, do you really need an "expert" to tell you to take a Valium for anxiety or a Lortab for intense pain?

Just a thought. Since The Lord saved me, I've found Szasz interesting, but less amazingly brilliant as I did in years past. Still, even now, I find that he makes some rather intriguing points, especially in 21st century, affluent societies, where the medical establishment has made a lot of moral+personal+social problems "medical problems" in need of ongoing "treatment."

 

[stovebolts]

Yeah, I suppose I get that.
But... I might just be tempted to get some Adderal now and then.... And I really don't need it. Heck, the opioid epidemic is so big already, just think if anyone at anytime could get it for whatever reason they wanted...

 

[banded butterfly]

At first blush I thought that site would be a satire site. No such luck.
I'd hope those type doctors aren't anywhere practicing in my area.
Years ago the story got started that crystal meth, methamphetamine, was a prescription drug called Adderall, also called Desoxyn. But that's not the case. Adderall/Desoxyn is an amphetamine. Not a methamphetamine.

NIH/ National Institute of Drug Abuse: What is methamphetamine?

NIH/NLM Amphetamine

 

[stovebolts]

At first blush I thought that site would be a satire site. No such luck.
I'd hope those type doctors aren't anywhere practicing in my area.
Years ago the story got started that crystal meth, methamphetamine, was a prescription drug called Adderall, also called Desoxyn. But that's not the case. Adderall/Desoxyn is an amphetamine. Not a methamphetamine.

NIH/ National Institute of Drug Abuse: What is methamphetamine?

NIH/NLM Amphetamine

It's not real.... it's parody... fake news at best.

 

[stovebolts]

all the meth you take makes your brain cells bake
makes you crave peach cake as you reach daybreak
just you watch, it's true

every single day, fifty bucks you pay
for that hit you say makes your life ok
just you watch, it's true

try LSD, better chemically
won't give you the shakes
unlike the meth you take

all the meth you take makes your body ache
makes your brain cells bake and you now can't take
all the drugs in you

when you're gone you can't see beyond your face
you lay at night in your dark and dingy place
you look around but you can't tie your lace
you feel so cold and you snuggle up in place
you're brain's frying flying free

try LSD, better chemically
won't give you the shakes
unlike the meth you take

all the meth you take makes your body ache
makes your brain cells bake and you now can't take
all the drugs in you





I'll be watchin' you
(all the meth you take, every move you make,
every cell you bake every dose you take)
I'll be watchin' you
(every single day, fifty bucks you pay,
every game you play, makes your life ok)
I'll be watchin' you

I'll be watchin' you
(all the meth you take, every move you make,
every cell you bake every dose you take)
I'll be watchin' you
(every single day, fifty bucks you pay,
every game you play, makes your life ok)
I'll be watchin' you
I'll be watchin' you
(all the meth you take, every move you make,
every cell you bake every dose you take)
I'll be watchin' you
(every single day, fifty bucks you pay,
every game you play, makes your life ok)
I'll be watchin' you

 

[banded butterfly]

It's not real.... it's parody... fake news at best.

Fake news is definitely a consideration. I checked their information as to About Us. They're not a dedicated parody, satire, site.

World Truth TV "About Us"
(sic) In short, World Truth.TV offers alternative news, documentaries,and more. We are presenting information which you will not find in the mainstream media. Find out what is really happening in the world today.

 

[stovebolts]

Ha, well, it's so stupid I really hope nobody believes it's true.

 

[ezra]

My brother fell off a cliff. They gave him oxycontin. He got addicted, and couldnt afford them on the black market so he went to hetoin. Then he couldn't hold down the job he had over 5 years and got fired.
He started selling heroin to support his oxycontin habit and did very well for himself as a supplier and dealer of heroin.

5 years ago he died from a dirty needle. Just a few months before his death he told Mom he was either going to die or end up in prison.

this is a never ending story

 

[banded butterfly]

we have a pill for a pill i know man hurt in a construction accident fell about 30 feet .lives off pain pills .he is trying to find a doctor who can help him get off them.. he tries to not take them at night can,t sleep breaks out in bad sweat .. America has a bad drug problem

And that problem of course is not without consequence elsewhere.

New Republic (not a parody site) This New Study Found More Drugs in Our Drinking Water Than Anybody Knew
And no one's doing anything about it
By Dawn Fallik
December 11, 2013

 

[stovebolts]

And that problem of course is not without consequence elsewhere.

New Republic (not a parody site) This New Study Found More Drugs in Our Drinking Water Than Anybody Knew
And no one's doing anything about it
By Dawn Fallik
December 11, 2013

Very interesting article. I could see that more so in the city than out in the co.i try where most have wells. It I'll bet small communities with public water combined with an aging majority would produce some results as well

 

[jasonc]

Very interesting article. I could see that more so in the city than out in the co.i try where most have wells. It I'll bet small communities with public water combined with an aging majority would produce some results as well

And that problem of course is not without consequence elsewhere.

New Republic (not a parody site) This New Study Found More Drugs in Our Drinking Water Than Anybody Knew
And no one's doing anything about it
By Dawn Fallik
December 11, 2013

Old news to me,I have reverse osmosis and a uv filter and another to remove chloramine.

People Shouldnt flush meds ,that's the problem. Here we deep well inject the reclaim water or sell it as irrigation water