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Cultural interaction or not?

So we're left with Christ's domain being literally functional only in His Body, His Church capital C,
And I see problems even there.

The question here becomes. Does Jesus only rule in the Church?


2. Jesus as King rules only in the church.
What about outside the Church?

3. Jesus will rule as King in the new earth or Jerusalrm, after the end.

Everyone believes this, but what about now?

4. The Kingdom of God exists right here, right now. Jesus meant to establish God's Kingdom here on earth for those who wish to follow Him and be His disciples. It's an invisible, spiritual kingdom where His laws are followed by His followers, thus creating a world paradigm consisting of persons willing to worship God and give of themselves in order to create better conditions for all of humankind.

Many believe this, but does anyone see this differently?When we engage culture, are we on the defensive?
 
From CCl;
We believe that culture should be Christian — not by political coercion, but by spiritual conversion. Salvation in Jesus Christ should transform all of life. Discover why we’re educating and equipping leaders to be Christian transformationists.

It takes people to create a distinctly Christian culture, people who believe in the power of the Gospel to bring new life and fresh perspectives. Meet the team of scholars and board members who lead the CCL vision of transforming Christians to transform culture.


Creating a distinctly Christian culture requires intellectual leadership. We provide cogent Biblical thinking that challenges the status quo as it stretches the mind and renews the imagination. Explore our latest resources to maximize your growth.

The Center for Cultural Leadership (CCL) believes that culture should be Christian — not by political coercion, but by spiritual conversion. Salvation in Jesus Christ should transform all of life.

Christian is what Western culture was for 1000 years, and this is what it should be today. But we’re not looking to restore the Christian past, although we are grateful for all its benefits to us. Instead, we want Christian truth to reshape our present and future culture.

But if there’s to be Christian culture, Christians must lead it— as fathers, mothers, artists, musicians, college students, businessmen and -women, attorneys, pastors, educators, software writers, salesmen, technicians, politicians, physicians, clerks, and every other life calling.

CCL doesn’t so much train Christian activists (lots of people are doing that, and some are doing it effectively). Instead, we’re educating and equipping Christian transformationists. It’s not enough to be active; you actually have to transform things by a renewed Christian imagination. This is what we’re after — Christians whose thinking and lives are transformed so that they, by the Spirit’s power, can transform our culture.

In this way, CCL is spearheading a new Christian culture.
What is Culture? Religion Externalized
The following article sums up the essence of how CCL views culture and why it is so critical that Christians develop a deeper understanding of what it is and how to transform it with biblical truth. It appears courtesy of our friend Dr. George Grant, Pastor, Parish Presbyterian Church; Founder, King’s Meadow Study Center, Franklin Classical School, Chalmers Fund, and New College Franklin. Visit his blog here.

Culture is simply a worldview made evident. It is basic beliefs worked out into habits of life. It is theology translated into sociology. Culture is a very practical expression of the common faith of a community or a people or a nation. Culture is, as Henry Van Til famously quipped, “religion externalized.”

What a person thinks, what he believes, what shapes his ultimate concerns, and what he holds to be true in his heart—in short, his faith or lack of it—has a direct effect on his material well-being, behavior, and outlook; on his sense of what is good, true, and beautiful; on his priorities, values, and principles. After all, “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”

What is true for one person is equally true for a whole community of persons. In 1905, Max Weber, the renowned political economist and “founding father” of modern sociology, affirmed this fundamental truth for modern social scientists in his classic work, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. He argued that the remarkable prosperity of the West was directly attributable to the cultural, personal, and ethical prevalence of the Christian tradition. In contrast to so many other cultures around the globe, where freedoms and opportunities were severely limited and where poverty and suffering abounded, Weber found that faith brought men and nations both liberty and prosperity.

The Christian faith changes people. Therefore, the Christian faith changes culture. The reasons for this are multitudinous:

First, true faith reorients all of us fallen and sinful men to reality. Because of our selfish proclivities we are all too naturally blind, foolish, ignorant, and self-destructive. More often than not, we are ruled by our passions, our lusts, and our delusions. We simply have a hard time facing reality without the perspective of faith. Faith in Almighty God, however, removes the scales from our eyes and the shackles from our lives. In Him we are at last acquainted to what is right, what is real, and what is true.

Sociologist James Gleason has said, “Faith serves us all well as a kind of reality-check. It is a transcendent value that enables us to more adequately and objectively evaluate our most bewildering situations and circumstances. In other words, it gives us a perspective beyond our own purblind vantage.”

A culture shaped by what is right, what is real, and what is true will manifest significantly art, music, literature, science, and ideas just as surely as a person shaped by them will.
 
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Second, the Christian faith counteracts the destructive effects of sinful actions and activities. Sin is not a concept that has much currency with modern social scientists, economists, politicians, community organizers, civil rights activists, and social service providers. It has become rather politically incorrect to even speak of it. Men who have rejected God and do not walk in faith are more often than not immoral, impure, and improvident. They are prone to extreme and destructive behavior, indulging in perverse vices and dissipating sensuality. And they—along with their families and loved ones—are thus driven over the brink of destruction. On the other hand, faith reforms us with new and constructive values. We are provoked to moral and upright lives of diligence, purity, sober-mindedness, thrift, trustworthiness, and responsibility.

According to psychologist Nancy Hellman, “Where poverty, violence, and destruction germinate in the rotting soil of sin, productivity, harmony, and hope flourish in the fertile field of faith. If we were to recover the concept of sin in our society—even from a moderately secularized perspective—we would go a long way toward eradicating the evils of modern life.”

In other words, a culture that understands the character and nature of the Fall is going to be tangibly, substantively, and manifestly different than a culture that does not.

Third, the Christian faith establishes a future orientation in our hearts and minds. All too often the modern men and women either flounder in a dismal fatalism or we squander our few resources in an irresponsible impulsiveness. Many of us are terribly short-sighted, unmotivated, and naive. And “where there is no vision the people perish.” On the other hand, genuine faith provokes us to live thoughtfully, to plan, to exercise restraint, and to defer gratification in order to achieve higher ends. We are induced to self-control, wisdom, and careful stewardship in order to build for the future.

Bartok Havic, the great Czech historian, has said, “History’s record is clear: a people who cannot look past the moment, past the fleeting pleasures of fleshly indulgence, will be a people whose culture vanishes from the face of the earth. Ultimately, only faith gives men a sustaining vision for that which is other than their own selfish desires.”

Fourth, the Christian faith provokes us to exercise responsibility. Outside of the bounds of faith in God we are all naturally prone to selfishness, wastefulness, and sloth. Faith on the other hand enables see past ourselves, growing into selfless maturity. We are able to become more responsible to redeem our time. We are able to become more responsible to make the most of every opportunity. We are able to become more responsible to fulfill our calling in life. We are able to become more responsible to use our money wisely, to care for our families, to serve the needs of others, and to be an example of redemptive love before all men everywhere. It is this very kind of diligent responsibility—this very fruit of faith—that we most need if they are ever to fully recover the vision of life and culture that brought the Western world to flower.

“It is faith,” says George Gilder, “in all its multifarious forms and luminosities, that can by itself move the mountains of sloth and depression that afflict the world’s stagnant economies; it brought immigrants thousands of miles with pennies in their pockets to launch the American empire of commerce; and it performs miracles daily in our present impasse.”

Senator Ted Kennedy once asserted that, “The ballot box is the place where change begins in America.” Although he has been fiercely and vehemently wrong in the past, Kennedy has never been more wrong than this. As George Will has argued, “There is hardly a page of American history that does not refute that insistence, so characteristic of the political class, on the primacy of politics in the making of history.” In fact, he says, “In a good society, politics is peripheral to much of the pulsing life of the society.”

This is the great lesson of history: it is ordinary people of authentic Christian faith who are ultimately the ones who best able to shape the outcome of human events–not kings and princes, not masters and tyrants. It is laborers and workmen, cousins and acquaintances that upend the expectations of the brilliant and the glamorous, the expert and the meticulous. It is plain folks, simple people, who literally change the course of history–because they are the stuff of which history is made. They are the ones who make the world go round. For, as G.K. Chesterton said, “The most extraordinary thing in the world is an ordinary man and an ordinary woman and their ordinary children.”

Ultimately, that is our greatest hope for the future. It is simply that a new grassroots majoritarian emphasis on things that really matter–on the Gospel and its fruits–will emerge as we train up the next generation of culture-shapers. It is that a love for hearth and home, community and culture, accountability and availability, service and substance, morality and magnanimity, responsibility and restoration will capture hearts and minds and lives. It is a hope that may be stymied, obstructed, and hampered–but ultimately it cannot fail.

As the famed journalist H.L. Mencken once said, “The man who invents a new imbecility is hailed gladly, and bidden to make himself at home; he is to the great masses of men, the beau ideal of mankind. His madness must necessarily give way to right, sooner or later, though usually later.”

Or as the poet F.W. Faber wrote:

“For right is right, since God is God,
And right the day must win;
To doubt would be disloyalty,
To falter would be sin.”
 
Tenchi,
Could you expand on the" coffin like" character of the communities. That I suspect is getting at what the OP is about.
What have you seen or observed over time that suggests that image to you, what causes it?

I meant "coffin-like" in the sense in which you did: A community of believers focused inward upon themselves. In my experience, this looks like comfortable cliques and a distinctly consumerist attitude toward the Church. It is also expressed in little (or no) evangelism or discipleship by the church, apathy by church members toward anything more than superficial participation in church life, tepid corporate prayer, very worldly "worship," and cult-like, authoritarian, can-do-no-wrong, business-model church leadership.

What causes this sort of church? Many things: Carnal church leaders afraid/unmotivated to do the "hard things" God commands of His children (keeping "leaven" out of the church, preaching and defending "uncomfortable" truth, loving the unlovely, etc.), losing sight of the purpose of the Church ("go ye into all the world and make disciples") and the basis for its existence ("all one in Christ," not hyper-individuation). Secular philosophies also infiltrate the Church: relativism, hyper-subjectivism, post-modernist radical skepticism, even neo-Marxist ideology under the cloak of "compassion" and "injustice."

At bottom, though, such things creep into the Church because biblical fellowship with God (aka "walking in the Spirit") is not taught nor modeled by church leaders or "mature" believers, generally.
 
I meant "coffin-like" in the sense in which you did: A community of believers focused inward upon themselves. In my experience, this looks like comfortable cliques and a distinctly consumerist attitude toward the Church. It is also expressed in little (or no) evangelism or discipleship by the church, apathy by church members toward anything more than superficial participation in church life, tepid corporate prayer, very worldly "worship," and cult-like, authoritarian, can-do-no-wrong, business-model church leadership.
Hello Tenchi, Thank you for this good input. In one way or another i find myself doing self examination, and looking at my local Church to see if I can help root out this kind of declension. You are on it , i thought you meant this and like how you expressed the danger
What causes this sort of church? Many things: Carnal church leaders afraid/unmotivated to do the "hard things" God commands of His children (keeping "leaven" out of the church,
Yes, for sure
preaching and defending "uncomfortable" truth, loving the unlovely, etc.),
yes, a bad mix cooking here
losing sight of the purpose of the Church ("go ye into all the world and make disciples") and the basis for its existence ("all one in Christ," not hyper-individuation).
Another key, exactly
Secular philosophies also infiltrate the Church: relativism, hyper-subjectivism, post-modernist radical skepticism, even neo-Marxist ideology under the cloak of "compassion" and "injustice."
sadly true

At bottom, though, such things creep into the Church because biblical fellowship with God (aka "walking in the Spirit") is not taught nor modeled by church leaders or "mature" believers, generally.
Yes indeed. Ask members if they are enjoying communion with the triune God on a regular basis. We all seem to come short
 
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