Cursing the Fig Tree, and...

[Edward]

the principle of first mention...

It is said that when we run across something in scripture and need some light shined on it, that we are to go back to the first mention of same in scripture, and it is there that we'll find what we're looking for, in that sense..

In Mark 11: 12-25 is the story of Jesus (supposedly) cursing the fig tree. It says that Jesus answered the fig tree, but the fig tree didn't say anything. Did it? What's that about.

The principle of first mention came to mind, so I flipped back to Genesis, where fig leaves were first mentioned, and read that. I'm not sure of the connection here. It says they sewed fig leaves together for a covering for themselves. What does this have to do with Jesus talking to the fig tree in Mark 11?

I'm missing something here and hope someone can clear it up for me.

 

[iLOVE]

Symbolic of the Jewish nation: a curse was placed on the fig tree for being false until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled; this will be at the Second Coming. Mark 11:14

 

[reba]

I think He was answering Peter
Mar 11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
Mar 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.
Mar 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
Mar 11:16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
Mar 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar 11:18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
Mar 11:19 And when even was come, he went out of the city.
Mar 11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

 

[reba]

sheesh how many times can i read and re-read before i see ,..... :shades

Mar 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

sorta like telling a Hvac unit 'your done'. going have to get a new one...

figs and the fig tree trees are all through scripture

 

[reba]

got to be more complex then THEY sewed the fig leafs and God shed the blood
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

 

[Edward]

sheesh how many times can i read and re-read before i see ,..... :shades

Mar 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

sorta like telling a Hvac unit 'your done'. going have to get a new one...

figs and the fig tree trees are all through scripture

So the fig tree is done...doing what? What the fig leaves being symbolic of? There's something deeper here about this and I can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Edward]

Symbolic of the Jewish nation: a curse was placed on the fig tree for being false until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled; this will be at the Second Coming. Mark 11:14

A false what? A false covering of our sin?

 

[reba]

It was not cursed cuz of the leafs but the lack of figs.. figs are loaded with seeds ii understand the seeds to be the point... but not sure of which point

The coverning Adam & eve made was not acceptable God shed blood for their covering..

 

[Edward]

It was not cursed cuz of the leafs but the lack of figs.. figs are loaded with seeds ii understand the seeds to be the point... but not sure of which point

The coverning Adam & eve made was not acceptable God shed blood for their covering..

The seeds are the point? It made mention of leaves in the passage specifically so I figured go to where fig leaves are first mentioned. Now I'm really confused, lol.

Ya' know, I also wonder if Peter was wrong. He said the fig tree that thou curseth, but I get the feeling that maybe it just looked like it was cursed and he was wrong. It withered and died so could easily be mistaken for being cursed. You know how Jesus is...there's something deeper and significant in what happened. He answered it...answered what? It didn't say anything. At least then. Maybe, back in Genesis, what they did with fig leaves had a deeper significance, and He was answering that?

 

[reba]

I am not saying the seeds/fruit are the point .. i am saying i think they are ..

Dont doubt Gods Word . Jesus cursed the tree
It didnt say any thing ? that fact it was baron said a enough to Jesus ... yes there is a bit more going on
The figs were not in season and Jesus still cursed it..

 

[JPPT1974]

Yeah they sure are. As really doubt God's Word, you pay a hefty price.

 

[ezrider]

So the fig tree is done...doing what? What the fig leaves being symbolic of? There's something deeper here about this and I can't quite put my finger on it.

The fig tree is representative of the Law of Moses and the Old Covenant of Law. When you see the tree with leaves and no fruit, then you see the law has not brought forth the fruits of righteousness. The fig leaves are likened to the the knowledge of the law. The commandment unto death. When Adam and Eve took to themselves fig leaves for a covering, it was because they had eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because they had disobeyed and had eaten from the tree they were commanded not to touch, they took to themselves the knowledge of the law, their fig leaves as a covering. Should Adam and Eve be any different than we who would try and cover our sins by practicing obedience to the law?

 

[ezrider]

Jesus cursed the fig tree...

Yet Jesus was made a curse for us...

 

[Edward]

The fig tree is representative of the Law of Moses and the Old Covenant of Law. When you see the tree with leaves and no fruit, then you see the law has not brought forth the fruits of righteousness. The fig leaves are likened to the the knowledge of the law. The commandment unto death. When Adam and Eve took to themselves fig leaves for a covering, it was because they had eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because they had disobeyed and had eaten from the tree they were commanded not to touch, they took to themselves the knowledge of the law, their fig leaves as a covering. Should Adam and Eve be any different than we who would try and cover our sins by practicing obedience to the law?

That makes Jesus's words make sense. Thanks, Brother.

 

[Sparkey]

Manners and Customs of Biblical Lands by Fred H. Wright

(now in Public Domain)

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JESUS made reference to this idea: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh" (Matthew 24:32; Mark 13:28).

The lover in the Song of Solomon indicated that winter was past and summer was at hand because "The fig tree putteth forth her green figs" (Song of Solomon 2:11-13).

CHRIST and the fig tree. In order to understand why CHRIST cursed the fig tree one day, it is necessary to know the custom of the fig tree's growth of leaves and fruit. The normal habit of the fig trees is that fruit begins to form on the tree as soon as leaves appear. Leaves and fruit also disappear together. But it was said of this fig tree which JESUS and his disciples saw on the Mount of Olives, "for the time of figs was not yet" (Mark 11:13).

Continuing the quote from Fred H Wright (as referenced above):

Spoiler: Click the "Expand" button, above, first please.

Actually this was no excuse for this fig tree, because if it was not the time for figs, it was also not the time for leaves to appear. By a show of leaves, it was like many people, pretending to have fruit which was not there. It was like the Pharisees who professed to be very religious, but whose lives were fruitless. Therefore CHRIST cursed this tree as an object lesson to all not to be hypocritical.

JESUS also gave us the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree. "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, 'Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?' And he answering said unto him, 'Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: and if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down'" (Luke 13:6-9).

Here was a fig tree that failed for three years to bear fruit, when its owner had a right to expect a crop. The gardener suggested patience with the tree, and proposed additional cultivation and fertilization for it, giving it another chance to bear figs. It will be noted that this fig tree had been planted in the midst of a vineyard. This is often done in Palestine.
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Sparrow's thought: The leaves signal healing (there's a proverb somewhere that teaches this) and Jesus approached for nourishment but found the tree barren. I think we need to add some "here a little, there a little" into the mix and combine these references to discover the teaching more fully.

 

[dianegcook]

the principle of first mention...

It is said that when we run across something in scripture and need some light shined on it, that we are to go back to the first mention of same in scripture, and it is there that we'll find what we're looking for, in that sense..

In Mark 11: 12-25 is the story of Jesus (supposedly) cursing the fig tree. It says that Jesus answered the fig tree, but the fig tree didn't say anything. Did it? What's that about.

The principle of first mention came to mind, so I flipped back to Genesis, where fig leaves were first mentioned, and read that. I'm not sure of the connection here. It says they sewed fig leaves together for a covering for themselves. What does this have to do with Jesus talking to the fig tree in Mark 11?

I'm missing something here and hope someone can clear it up for me.

Try chapter 24 of Jeremiah also.

 

[Edward]

Try chapter 24 of Jeremiah also.

Naughty figs?! Lol, boy is it word study time now, lol...

Naughty figs

 

[ezrider]

That makes Jesus's words make sense. Thanks, Brother.

Your welcome.

Something else for you to chew on, that is if you like figs.

Did you know that a fig is technically not a fruit, but is an inverted flower?
A flower that is pollinated from within, with a sower that must die for it to be.
The fig is a flower that blossoms from within, hidden by a veil of skin.


From TheAtlantic.com

The females, armed with the pollen, fly off in search of new male figs to lay her eggs in. In the process some of the female wasps land on female figs that don't have the special egg receptacle but trick the female into shimmying inside. As the female wasp slides through the narrow passage in the fig her wings are ripped off (egg laying is a one-way mission) and while she is unsuccessful in laying her eggs, she successfully pollinates the female flower. The female flower then ripens into the fig that you can get at the supermarket, digesting the trapped wasp inside with specialized enzymes!

https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-d...g-you-never-wanted-to-know-about-figs/182554/

 

[Edward]

Your welcome.

Something else for you to chew on, that is if you like figs.

Did you know that a fig is technically not a fruit, but is an inverted flower?
A flower that is pollinated from within, with a sower that must die for it to be.
The fig is a flower that blossoms from within, hidden by a veil of skin.


From TheAtlantic.com



https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-d...g-you-never-wanted-to-know-about-figs/182554/

I didn't know that. I got a pack of fig newtons sitting right in front of me. I liike fig newtons, lol.

 

[reba]

Kinda a side note.. I never thought Jesus was surprised there were no figs... this was a lesson from beginning to end.. The Creator knows the seasons ....