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[Deborah13]

Deborah13: I think you would encourage young Christians to listen to such lyrics, and to Christian hard rock bands that communicate the Christian message clearly, right?

Blessings.

I would encourage them to listen to Christian music. But I would prefer them listening to music that the lyrics are clearly Christian and lead them to be connecting the subject, whatever that may be, to the hope they can have in Christ.

 

[OhFarouk]

I would encourage them to listen to Christian music. But I would prefer them listening to music that the lyrics are clearly Christian and lead them to be connecting the subject, whatever that may be, to the hope they can have in Christ.

I guess you'd say the track in question about cutting would be a road into Christian music for some young people?

Blessings.

 

[Claudya]

So this thread was derailed to discuss plumb's religion, her love life, Madonna, vampires and christian hard rock.

Could we instead derail it towards discussing how to stop self-loathing?

 

[jasoncran]

So this thread was derailed to discuss plumb's religion, her love life, Madonna, vampires and christian hard rock.

Could we instead derail it towards discussing how to stop self-loathing?

thanks, you may look at what I said. I will be gone for a time. I must.i did mention that I was one of them that do this. its kinda why I said what I said about the song.

 

[Deborah13]

So this thread was derailed to discuss plumb's religion, her love life, Madonna, vampires and christian hard rock.

Could we instead derail it towards discussing how to stop self-loathing?

That is the subject isn't it!
I don't know what the answers are other than some very good counseling and most importantly knowing that God does not loath the one who wishes to be healed and to have a sincere relationship with Him. His love is real and steadfast.
Right now we are dealing with something in our family. A first cousin who never dealt with his brother's suicide 2 yrs. ago is just now being overcome with grief but more than that with guilt that he could have somehow prevented it from happening. He took on the burden to support the rest of the immediate family and locked his own pain inside. No one saw it for what it was.
Thankfully he has agreed to counseling and he is a born again Christian and faithful. He has had support from a brother at the church as well.
I think that we don't pay enough attention sometimes or just assume that everything is fine with someone when it just isn't.
If someone is not responding to a death or any other traumatic experience then we should be on the alert. We should not always believe them when they give assurances they are fine.

 

[Claudya]

thanks, you may look at what I said. I will be gone for a time. I must.i did mention that I was one of them that do this. its kinda why I said what I said about the song.

Yes, I read what you said.
Sorry, I had a terrible evening on top of having a depressed month. I really hate myself right now.

 

[jasoncran]

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Yes, I read what you said.
Sorry, I had a terrible evening on top of having a depressed month. I really hate myself right now.

understood. Deborah13. one cant know unless the person opens up. hmm to bad medina didn't post here. he seems to poke in a way that seems to work. he does this but its for getting me to stop being so serious.

 

[Claudya]

That is the subject isn't it!
I don't know what the answers are other than some very good counseling and most importantly knowing that God does not loath the one who wishes to be healed and to have a sincere relationship with Him. His love is real and steadfast.

I know His love is real. It's just that whenever I feel so miserable I start doubting that God even exists. :-(
Right now what I'd need most is a hug. And someone to tell me that a messy appartment and a frustrating training session doesn't mean that I'm worthless. Unfortunately God doesn't give hugs to His believers, and He doesn't talk much.

Right now we are dealing with something in our family. A first cousin who never dealt with his brother's suicide 2 yrs. ago is just now being overcome with grief but more than that with guilt that he could have somehow prevented it from happening. He took on the burden to support the rest of the immediate family and locked his own pain inside. No one saw it for what it was.

Suicide of a close person is very hard to deal with. Besides mourning the loss you also have to deal with anger against the deceased person, and guilt, like your cousin does. It's really not a good place to be. :-( Maybe by locking the pain away your cousin protected himself from all the pain, anger and the haunting questions. But now the lock is broken and he can't contain the pain any more.
But as a family you can be there for him. You can now see the grief for what it is, and you can let him know the he doesn't need to support the family, but the family will support him. Give him time to mourn his brother and allow him to show his feelings if he wants to, and listen to his thoughts even if it seems he's repeating the same things every time you talk to him.
Helping someone that is struck with grief is very hard. :-(

Thankfully he has agreed to counseling and he is a born again Christian and faithful. He has had support from a brother at the church as well.
I think that we don't pay enough attention sometimes or just assume that everything is fine with someone when it just isn't.
If someone is not responding to a death or any other traumatic experience then we should be on the alert. We should not always believe them when they give assurances they are fine.

Yeah, I think people pay too little attention to each other in general.
I pay too little attention to others because I'm so absorbed with either being miserable about myself, or with being competitive.

 

[Deborah13]

I know His love is real. It's just that whenever I feel so miserable I start doubting that God even exists. :-(
Right now what I'd need most is a hug. And someone to tell me that a messy appartment and a frustrating training session doesn't mean that I'm worthless. Unfortunately God doesn't give hugs to His believers, and He doesn't talk much.


Suicide of a close person is very hard to deal with. Besides mourning the loss you also have to deal with anger against the deceased person, and guilt, like your cousin does. It's really not a good place to be. :-( Maybe by locking the pain away your cousin protected himself from all the pain, anger and the haunting questions. But now the lock is broken and he can't contain the pain any more.
But as a family you can be there for him. You can now see the grief for what it is, and you can let him know the he doesn't need to support the family, but the family will support him. Give him time to mourn his brother and allow him to show his feelings if he wants to, and listen to his thoughts even if it seems he's repeating the same things every time you talk to him.
Helping someone that is struck with grief is very hard. :-(


Yeah, I think people pay too little attention to each other in general.
I pay too little attention to others because I'm so absorbed with either being miserable about myself, or with being competitive.

Please bare with me here.... God's hugs
A woman, a pastor's wife, had lost her husband. When she went to their church many people hugged her and told her they loved her and were praying for her. After the service she went to her car and broke down again in tears. She told the Lord that she just needed Him to hug her and tell her He loved her. The Lord spoke to her and said, "How many people hugged you and gave their love, that was Me, I sent them to you. I love you."
That is a true story from one of my daughter's instructor's.
Please accept my hug to you from the Lord. He loves you so much. And yes, I am sure. If I were there with you and you would allow it, I would squeeze you so tightly you'd beg for relief.

Thank you for your advice about our cousin, your words ring true. How someone that has compassion for others could think they are of no value.... well they are just believing an untruth, yes I'm talking about you.

PS - AND no a messy apartment and feeling crumby does not mean you are worthless. You should be able to tell by the responses you get on this forum that you are a very valuable person to other valuable people.

 

[OhFarouk]

Unfortunately God doesn't give hugs to His believers, and He doesn't talk much.

...

The believer can lay hold of the Lord Jesus's precious promises in John 14.1: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14.27: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 

[OhFarouk]

Lexy, just looked up her album that has the song 'Cut' on it. Two of the songs would be clearly indentifiable as Christian just from the names, one being "Pray for Me".
So many teens are into things like vampires. If the were to hear this song and relate to it, would that be a bad thing? If they were to check out the album what would they hear?
Wiki, says her genre is soft rock and pop metal.

This is a serious issue and I'm glad for any Christian who can address it and get kids to listen.

Deborah13: Sounds good. Her style is also very listener-friendly.

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

I thought I was the only one who sulked when I had bad training days in the arts. interesting. that it is now two that I know that have that bad habit.