Danger Wicca On The Rise!

[turnorburn]

Me thinks its time we dressed for battle, be sure of your faith this is an area
where great danger lurks. Satan looks for these open doors that we've allowed happen, don't believe it? then don't get involved you'll be sorry you did. Its not a kids game although at a distance it appears harmless, Oh right!! read on...

Things are about to get very hot and Hell is behind it. I was listening to a Christian radio station this morning when their reporter said that due to the popularity of the likes of Harry Potter and his series of books our young people are dabbling into the occult at an alarming rate! Casting spells making potions and all that's wicked and Un-Godly, I've heard of Christian parents thinking its a passing phase, Oh really!! wait till mom and pop spank one of them to have a spell cast in their direction.
Are we prepared? this warfare is going to escalate as quickly as the kids can eat it up Then who knows some adults as well. There are today churches that worship Satan so this should come as
no big surprise.

In His Service,
turnorburn

 

[Rick W]

It may be wise to keep an eyeball on California while you're at it.
:o

 

[turnorburn]

O.k. sure no problem and all points east west north and south like this....

 

[Devekut]

I know a little of Wicca. One thing I can tell you is that it has nothing to do with Harry Potter, which I actually have found to be books with otherwise basic Christian values.

I wouldn't worry too much about Wicca. It's members are generally nice enough people with good intentions, they don't place "curses" on people and the like. They are simply lost, alienated from the ulta-naturalist modern world which has sapped the mystery out of life.

The neo-paganisms are doomed to fail from the outset, that is my guess. They fail to take into account the genuine religious evolution of man in Christianity that superceded the pagan religions long ago. Neo pagans are trying to go back a time when religions were simpler, less concerned with morality and pragmatic. But there's a reason Christianity won over paganism in the ancient world, and that is because Christianity has a superior concept of God. Trying to "re-paganize" society is like trying to become an eight year old again.

Even the new pagans can't help but think a little bit like Christians, because they are of an essentially Christian society. The pagan world is as alien to them as to us (which is why it excites them). Neo-pagans are merely...former Christians with a bad case of nostalgia.

In my opinion, no successful religion has ever emerged from a bunch of people sitting around 19the century text books and the works of now discredited psuedo-scholars.

Successful religions lift off the ground because their followers are passionately committed to the truth- and the universal truth, of their immediate spiritual experience and cause. That is, they are never aware that they are creating a religion, because the religion has always found them first.

I have not seen any religion so self-consciously created as Wicca and Neo-paganism. Everyone congregates, invents rituals, draws circles, write up mythologies on the spot. They want a "tradition" over night. It is...far too "synthetic" to ever be real.

In time the hats and broomsticks will go back in the costume boxes and we'll move on.

 

[Imagican]

Two cents:

I have two relatively close aquaintances with individuals who BELIEVE they are Wiccans. Coincidently, they both CLAIM to BE affiliates of the RCC. One was 'booted out' for divorce. The other still attends mass and such.

One believes she is 'able' to start fires with her MIND, (and you probably think I'M joking), but this is WHAT she professes. That she is able to 'alter' the physical world in which we live. Through the 'power of her MIND' and 'through the ability she possesses' through Wiccan ritual.

Dave would offer that 'these' are relatively 'harmless'. Huh? They HAVE 'children'. Their CHILDREN will have CHILDREN. And that is EXACTLY how Israel LOST her relationship with GOD over and over again.

Fear them for their 'power'? I 'think not'. But we wary OF the advisary is WHAT we have BEEN WARNED to DO.

Wicca IS a 'form' of OUTRIGHT 'witchcraft'. These that are followers of this 'faith' BELIEVE that they ARE able to 'cast spells', and they 'worship trees' and such. JUST as the Jews WERE warned NOT TO DO. MOST of the 'punishment' meted out to the Jews by their OWN GOD was due to such 'religious' practices.

My 'two cents'.

MEC

 

[biblecatholic]

Two cents:

I have two relatively close aquaintances with individuals who BELIEVE they are Wiccans. Coincidently, they both CLAIM to BE affiliates of the RCC. One was 'booted out' for divorce. The other still attends mass and such.

As you said they are wiccan's. A faithful Catholic can not be a wiccan. Many times wiccans and satanist and other occultist go to Catholic Masses to steal the Eucharist because they know it's Jesus body and blood. They also like to try to get a hold of sacramentals.

One believes she is 'able' to start fires with her MIND, (and you probably think I'M joking), but this is WHAT she professes. That she is able to 'alter' the physical world in which we live. Through the 'power of her MIND' and 'through the ability she possesses' through Wiccan ritual.

That's really sad. Because she's searching for meaning.

Dave would offer that 'these' are relatively 'harmless'.

that's bad news there

Fear them for their 'power'? I 'think not'. But we wary OF the advisary is WHAT we have BEEN WARNED to DO.

Wicca IS a 'form' of OUTRIGHT 'witchcraft'. These that are followers of this 'faith' BELIEVE that they ARE able to 'cast spells', and they 'worship trees' and such. JUST as the Jews WERE warned NOT TO DO. MOST of the 'punishment' meted out to the Jews by their OWN GOD was due to such 'religious' practices.quote] real witches can cast real spells that can effect you. and if you are well armored they will go after the ones close to you to get to you through them

 

[turnorburn]

You have no fear of God do you? why else would you believe this blaspheme

As you said they are wiccan's. A faithful Catholic can not be a wiccan. Many times wiccans and satanist and other occultism go to Catholic Masses to steal the Eucharist because (they know it's Jesus body and blood). They also like to try to get a hold of sacramentals.

He won't hold them guiltless that take his name in vain To drag my savior down from heaven
and have him do a repeat performance, to crucify him over and over again. It was because of
doctrine like this the Inquisitions took place and millions suffered and died.

In His Service,
turnorburn

 

[biblecatholic]

He won't hold them guiltless that take his name in vain To drag my savior down from heaven
and have him do a repeat performance, to crucify him over and over again. It was because of
doctrine like this the Inquisitions took place and millions suffered and died.

It's a FACT that theistic satanist believe that Jesus Christ is physically present in the Eucharist. That's why they do everything in their power to desecrate it. They also say that their enemy is the Catholic Church because it's the Church that Christ established.


May God have mercy on you

 

[Imagican]

biblecatholic,

It IS sad.

And PLEASE don't even "THINK" that I am offering that these ARE Catholics. I only offered what I offered for they BOTH 'claim' to BE Catholic AS WELL as Wiccan.

I am Quit sure that there are those out there that CLAIM to be MANY different denominations of 'Christian' that ALSO participate in Wiccan beliefs.

The two that I happen to KNOW are both 'professing Catholics'.

This 'wiccan thing' is becoming a relatively popular 'cult'. And not ONLY wiccan, but 'cabalists' as well. It seems that as information is more and more 'readily' availible though the media and internet, more and more people are being led into such 'worship' of that which IS 'of this world'.

And I wasn't 'picking' on Dave, I just thought that his comments were rather 'liberal' in his approach to such a matter.

MEC

 

[turnorburn]

I can just imagine how you would react to a fact, that fact is* The Roman Catholic Church
started long before Jesus came to live among us. That place is best known as Babylon, so here is my challenge, are you up for a challenge? I'll prove my side you prove yours. The Catholic Church holds the mother of Jesus as worthy of worship, in Babylon they had the queen of heaven. Back then
people worshiped her in the same manor, her name was Samarias, she had a son Tamuz, there are many books that describe in great detail how it all fits together.... But knowing how you do you would find a way to call those authors liars as well

http://focusonjerusalem.com/queen.html

This is just one

 

[biblecatholic]

biblecatholic,

It IS sad.

And PLEASE don't even "THINK" that I am offering that these ARE Catholics. I only offered what I offered for they BOTH 'claim' to BE Catholic AS WELL as Wiccan.

I am Quit sure that there are those out there that CLAIM to be MANY different denominations of 'Christian' that ALSO participate in Wiccan beliefs.

The two that I happen to KNOW are both 'professing Catholics'.

This 'wiccan thing' is becoming a relatively popular 'cult'. And not ONLY wiccan, but 'cabalists' as well. It seems that as information is more and more 'readily' availible though the media and internet, more and more people are being led into such 'worship' of that which IS 'of this world'.

And I wasn't 'picking' on Dave, I just thought that his comments were rather 'liberal' in his approach to such a matter.

MEC

From what I understand wicca is one of the fastest growing religions in the US. I know it's the fastest in our military....


I would disagree with Dave's opinion on the matter as well. I believe Harry Potter is an easy way for the demonic to have a way into the child at an early age. As with wiccan, ougi boards, yoga, martial arts, masons, shriners, and there are many other things


Blessings

 

[biblecatholic]

I can just imagine how you would react to a fact, that fact is* The Roman Catholic Church
started long before Jesus came to live among us. That place is best known as Babylon, so here is my challenge, are you up for a challenge? I'll prove my side you prove yours. The Catholic Church holds the mother of Jesus as worthy of worship, in Babylon they had the queen of heaven. Back then
people worshiped her in the same manor, her name was Samarias, she had a son Tamuz, there are many books that describe in great detail how it all fits together.... But knowing how you do you would find a way to call those authors liars as well

http://focusonjerusalem.com/queen.html

This is just one

yawn......ignorance is bliss..huh?

 

[turnorburn]

Sometimes when you've had a long day I find that "yes" ignorance is bliss, don't you?
We could fill library's around the world with books in our vain attempts at making our point.
Many people already have, we may even use them to prove our side of an argument.
One question though, how does all the dribble glorify God? He has all the answers
if we're willing to spend time with him. So what do we end up doing? easy, we come
here instead. :

 

[darkwater]

Let's not get this off track with some hateful, ignorant Catholic bashing. There is a forum for this. If you really want to talk about the idiotic idea that Mary is a Babylonian goddess, do it there.


Back onto Wicca which is a real threat to all of us.

I do not think that Harry Potter was meant to lead people into the occult as there does seem to be some Christian virtues under the story. However, it certainly does get kids interested in the occult and magic, which is not good. We can't really look at the intent when the impact is so bad. The author's refusal to address kids going off and messing with magic seems rather irresponsible at minimum to me.

Wicca is growing fast. Its members not only claim to be Catholics, I read an article recently about some evangelicals facing the same thing (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=68203). There are all sorts of nuts at the fringes of the Catholic Church (really outside of it) that claim to be Catholics, wiccans are some of them, sadly. They generally get there from the feminist movement (which is also linked up with the womenpriest morons).

Satanists, from what I have found tend to laugh at wiccans. They see them as either messing with things they don't understand or kind of like watching little kids trying to learn to walk. Wicca is the stumbling stage. Once they get through that, they can get to real Satanism which is where they can walk steady.

Also, yes, they do go to Catholic Masses in order to steal consecrated hosts which they then use in their rituals and Black Masses. Others go in order to desecrate the host to mark their hatred of Christ. Some will steal holy water and use it in their ritual as well. I would suspect that the "Catholic" wiccans that were mentioned above, were just lost and thinking that they could be both wiccan and Catholic at the same time. Delusional, but not really stealing hosts or anything.

 

[Imagican]

darkwater,

The likes of 'Harry Potter' and books by Stehphen King are little more than demonic influence disguised as 'entertainment'.

Not only have we been bombarded with the devil's 'successful advertising campaign' in the past through vices such as 'sports', 'hobbies', and 'leisure' of ALL sorts. But even reading has been deverted into pleasure. Do you 'reacon' that Paul would have been impressed or would have encouraged the 'reading for pleasure' the likes of stories of 'children that are WITCHES'? The HERO of the story being one that PRACTICES 'witchcraft'? Hmmmm...............

Now once I was accused of being ignorant for believing that there MIGHT be those on this forum that listen to 'rock n roll music'. But from the offering above, it would appear that there are those that READ Harry Potter books.

Let's see, which would be MORE detrimental; listening to music inpired by Satan, or reading books with 'teenage witches' AS the HERO? Ah,,,,,,,,,, wouldn't this be the proverbial; half a dozen of one/six of the other.............

And the most DANGEROUS aspect of the likes of Harry Potter? That these are written for and directed TOWARDS 'our children'. Not ONLY are there adults out there gorging themselves on such rubbish, but we are allowing our CHILDREN to be THE TARGETS of it's influence.

Don't misunderstand me. We live in a 'supposedly FREE society'. And to accomplish this 'illusion', we have the RIGHT to read whatever we choose. But those that follow the will of God through His Son have NEVER been 'free' to follow or practice WHATEVER we choose. NEVER.

When the Bible speaks of Freedom, this is NOT PERSONAL FREEDOM to 'do what thou wilt'. This is FREEDOM from DEATH. Freedom from DARKNESS. Freedom from the principalities and powers that would KEEP us in BONDAGE to a 'spirit' that is AGAINST the truth and against our very existence.

So, beware of offering praise for the 'devil' himself. For he IS able to disguise himself as an 'angel of light'. Christian VALUES in a book about witches?????????? What an interesting understanding this is......................

MEC

 

[darkwater]

through vices such as 'sports', 'hobbies', and 'leisure' of ALL sorts. But even reading has been deverted into pleasure.

Are you suggesting that sports, hobbies, reading and other leisure activities are Satanic?

The HERO of the story being one that PRACTICES 'witchcraft'? Hmmmm...............

I've already said that regardless of the author's intent, they have been used to great benefit by Satan.

But from the offering above, it would appear that there are those that READ Harry Potter books.

I tried to read the first one back when it came out, but found it to be low-quality writing. I'll stick to CS Lewis, Tolkien, and Chesterton myself.

I'm not exactly sure how any of us reading HP would make us unable to comment on things. None of us here is perfect.

And the most DANGEROUS aspect of the likes of Harry Potter? That these are written for and directed TOWARDS 'our children'. Not ONLY are there adults out there gorging themselves on such rubbish, but we are allowing our CHILDREN to be THE TARGETS of it's influence.

I fully agree here. The same with the Golden Compass books.

we have the RIGHT to read whatever we choose. But those that follow the will of God through His Son have NEVER been 'free' to follow or practice WHATEVER we choose. NEVER.

Our society is not following God's Law. We have the ability (free will) to do as we please, however we have no right to do many things (like murder, look at porn, etc). Since the State doesn't recognize this (fully at least, hence my signature line), then we should not be surprised that the world is what it is.

Christian VALUES in a book about witches?????????? What an interesting understanding this is......................

If you will look at many of the characters and themes, you will note that the author is recycling many things from both literature and Western Culture. The sorcerer's stone (which is really called the philosopher's stone in the UK version and in Latin) is one example. She is British and despite all their attempts, there is still a Christian underlying culture in the UK. J. K. Rowling didn't make much new, she just combined it all, hence the Christian/Western themes are there. Being used to an evil end, perhaps, but present.

 

[Imagican]

I'm not only suggesting or implying, I am outright stating that sports and other such things as hobbies etc........ are a 'waste' of TIME and effort so far as God is concerned. And the EXTENT to which some 'participate in such' PLAINLY shows outright WORSHIP, (the guy whose WHOLE house is DEVOTED to 'the gators'. Painted faces that will scream and holler over a 'transmitted' game in their living room? come now, does it REALLY take a 'rocket scientist' to FIGURE this one OUT?

Our TIME is MEANT to be spent IN MEANINGFUL activities. Would YOU suggest that there is ANYTHING 'meaningful' involved with NASCAR? NFL? NBA? ONLY meaningful in the minds and hearts of those that are INVOLVED. But do you REALLY think that there's going to BE 'football' in HEAVEN?

MEC

 

[biblecatholic]

I know this isnt dogma but I wanted to pass it on since I'm in agreement with it. I know a couple of exorcist who also think it's not good for people to read....but that's my 2cents

March 7, 2003 Cardinal Ratzinger thanked Kuby for her "instructive" book Harry Potter - gut oder böse (Harry Potter- good or evil?), in which Kuby says the Potter books corrupt the hearts of the young, preventing them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil, thus harming their relationship with God while that relationship is still in its infancy.

"It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly," wrote Cardinal Ratzinger(Pope Benedict XVI).

 

[darkwater]

the Potter books corrupt the hearts of the young, preventing them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil, thus harming their relationship with God while that relationship is still in its infancy.

No doubt the books have done this, however saying that this was the author's intent may be pushing it a bit far. Ole JK doesn't seem to be quite like Mr. Pullman and his militant atheism from what I've seen of her. Although, what the devil can convince people to write knows no bounds.

 

[darkwater]

Our TIME is MEANT to be spent IN MEANINGFUL activities. Would YOU suggest that there is ANYTHING 'meaningful' involved with NASCAR? NFL? NBA? ONLY meaningful in the minds and hearts of those that are INVOLVED. But do you REALLY think that there's going to BE 'football' in HEAVEN?

Well that's a different matter all together. Sure some people make watching sports into an idol. The pay that professional athletes get is evidence of this. There is, however, nothing wrong with taking the family out to a football game now and then. Nor is there any harm in playing sports or reading a book.

We must use all our activities as prayers. Just as we must make our work a prayer.

Having a little fun is not going to send you to hell. That is the craziest idea I've heard in a while.

We are creatures that enjoy the company of others be that spending the evening with friends over a few beers in the pub, playing a game of chess with a child, or going fishing on a Saturday morning. God made us like that. Enjoy it, don't let it become an occasion of sin, and offer it as a prayer to God (especially of thanksgiving).