Daniels 70 weeks made Simple

[Deborah13]

Cyberseeker I disagree with chart.
You're not including the 1,260 days, 42 months and 1,290 days..
and Dan 9:27, Rev 12:6, Rev 13:5 and Dan 12:11 are all future tense. Take a look..

70 Weeks - 70 x 7 = 490
1 week = 7 year periods
7 weeks = 49 year periods
62 weeks = 434 year periods
69 (7+62) weeks = 483 year periods
70 weeks = 490 year periods of time

Daniel 9:24 is a summary and/or description of the 70 weeks. The 70th week/7 years has yet to be fulfilled.
Daniel 9:25 is (past tense) and a summary of 49 years and 434 years = 483 years
Daniel 9:26 is (past tense) and a summary of after 434 years.
Daniel 9:27 is (future tense/the seven year great tribulation) and a summary of 7 years total and (3.5 years/the middle of the 7 years)
Daniel 12:11 is (future tense) and a summary of 30 more days left (after Dan 9:27 is complete) before the start of Armageddon, one last time to accept Jesus as savior. (1260 days + 30 = 1290)
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.

We also know that the woman in Rev 12 is Israel.

When you say the woman is Israel, who do you say is Israel?
The last verse describes the woman's remnant in these verses.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.
Rev 13:5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.

7 years is 7 earth years..
7 year tribulation / 3.5 years split
1,260 days / 3.5 years = 360 days in a biblical year
42 months = 12 months in a year/24 months in 2 years/36 months in 3 years/42 Months is 3.5 years

The 70th Week of Daniel is the key to understanding the 1,290 days.
It is a "week" or in Hebrew a "seven" of years.
7 years x 360 days = 2,520 days.
The 2,520 days are divided into two halves.
1,260 + 1260 = 2,520 days.
So these are two equal time periods of 1260 days.

 

[DRS81]

When you say the woman is Israel, who do you say is Israel?
The last verse describes the woman's remnant in these verses.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The word (woman) symbolizes Israel and (the remnant of her seed) is the individual members of the Church (born again christians and also the Jewish Church). The members of the Jewish Church were they to whom "the commandments of God" were specially revealed, and Christians are they who specially "hold the testimony of Jesus."The book of Revelation works behind symbols and visions. Blessings, DRS81.

 

[JLB]

Do you not have access to a Bible? If you do then just read Ezra 7 for it contains Artaxerxes command freeing exiles to return with Ezra to restore and build Jerusalem. It seems you already accept this as true for now you presuppose it must be the first instance of the command which begins Daniel's 70wks, however this is a false assumption because as you can see below the command originated with God. Therefore the only question is which instance of the command began the 70wks, and it it is not possible for Cyrus' edit to be the correct instance without distorting the calendar in a way similar to what some Jews do to assert their own interpretation of the 70wks.

Ezra 6:14 - And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.​

Hopefully you can see by your own words that it was Cyrus who gave the command first that started the 70 weeks of years.

It was Cyrus who was King before Darius and Artexerses.

It was the command that Cyrus gave that started the 70 weeks.

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, 2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Ezra 1:1-2

It was through this man who was anointed by God Himself to do the work of restoring both the temple and the city of Jerusalem.

Artaxerxes made the work stop!

Darius made the work start again.

and it it is not possible for Cyrus' edit to be the correct instance without distorting the calendar in a way

What calender? Where in scripture is a calender.

What you fail to incorporate into the equsion is the pause between the sixty weeks and the sixty two weeks.

Where is that in the chart?

It is not there, so you are working with a distorted timeline that must move the command ahead to Artaxerxes when the scripture plainly and clearly shows us that -

• Cyrus was called of God for this work -

Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." '
1 "Thus says the Lord to His anointed, To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held-- To subdue nations before him And loose the armor of kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut: 2 'I will go before you And make the crooked places straight; I will break in pieces the gates of bronze And cut the bars of iron. 3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant's sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:13


Why would anyone with the slightest desire to know the truth in this matter completely ignore what the lord has said through the mouth of the prophet Isaiah, concerning Cyrus?

Why would anyone deny that Cyrus gave the command that released the children of Israel from captivity to go and do the work of restoration.

The following kings Artaxerxes and Darius were following the orders of that given by God through Cyrus.

By the time Artaxerxes had given Ezra the letter, The Exiles had already been released and the work had already started and stopped.


Cyrus was commanded by God to release the children of Israel according to the word of the Lord through Jeremiah.

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, Ezra 1:1


Cyrus gave the initial command that started Daniels 70 weeks.


JLB

 

[JLB]

That is not why the weeks are expressed as 7 and 62 because we know when the pause in Jerusalem's reconstruction was, and it does not correspond to 49yrs in beginning, end, or duration.

Who says it doesn't correspond?

Some "historian's" calender?


Time Line from Going forth to Messiah the Prince.


17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years

Time of Captivity = 70 years : [The going forth of the command]

560 -70 = 490 years -

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation [ From one king to the next] 23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Ezra 4:23-24


33 = Birth to “Palm Sunday”
Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, Luke 3:23


490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth” to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks



[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]You have to start with the entire time of Captivity.

The entire 14 Generations is 560 years.


JLB
The time of captivity is 70 years.

 

[Sinthesis]

Hopefully you can see by your own words that it was Cyrus who gave the command first that started the 70 weeks of years.

It was Cyrus who was King before Darius and Artexerses.

It was the command that Cyrus gave that started the 70 weeks.

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, 2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Ezra 1:1-2

It was through this man who was anointed by God Himself to do the work of restoring both the temple and the city of Jerusalem.

Artaxerxes made the work stop!

Darius made the work start again.





What calender? Where in scripture is a calender.

What you fail to incorporate into the equsion is the pause between the sixty weeks and the sixty two weeks.

Where is that in the chart?

It is not there, so you are working with a distorted timeline that must move the command ahead to Artaxerxes when the scripture plainly and clearly shows us that -

• Cyrus was called of God for this work -

Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." '
1 "Thus says the Lord to His anointed, To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held-- To subdue nations before him And loose the armor of kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut: 2 'I will go before you And make the crooked places straight; I will break in pieces the gates of bronze And cut the bars of iron. 3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant's sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:13


Why would anyone with the slightest desire to know the truth in this matter completely ignore what the lord has said through the mouth of the prophet Isaiah, concerning Cyrus?

Why would anyone deny that Cyrus gave the command that released the children of Israel from captivity to go and do the work of restoration.

The following kings Artaxerxes and Darius were following the orders of that given by God through Cyrus.

By the time Artaxerxes had given Ezra the letter, The Exiles had already been released and the work had already started and stopped.


Cyrus was commanded by God to release the children of Israel according to the word of the Lord through Jeremiah.

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, Ezra 1:1


Cyrus gave the initial command that started Daniels 70 weeks.


JLB

We all know Cyrus gave the edict of restoration, as he was commanded to by God. What you fail to prove is that this instance of the command is the one that began the 70wks. One interesting fact is that Cyrus relayed the edict the same year as Daniel was given the 70wks prophecy. This means that if Cyrus kicked off the 70wks then Gabriel could/should/would have simply said the weeks begin 'now' if he truly wanted Daniel to understand.

 

[Sinthesis]

Who says it doesn't correspond?

Some "historian's" calender?


Time Line from Going forth to Messiah the Prince.


17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years

Time of Captivity = 70 years : [The going forth of the command]

560 -70 = 490 years -

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation [ From one king to the next] 23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Ezra 4:23-24


33 = Birth to “Palm Sunday”
Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, Luke 3:23


490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth” to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks



[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]You have to start with the entire time of Captivity.

The entire 14 Generations is 560 years.

JLB
The time of captivity is 70 years.

You are contradicting yourself. When you insert a 40yr/1gen gap between the 7 and 62 weeks you contradict your idea that "Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years" by making it 15 generations and ??? years. 600yrs? 520yrs? Your math really makes no sense.

We know what year Cyrus gave his edict, and we know that Darius' command in his second year restarted construction which was just 18 years after Cyrus began it. There is no way construction was stopped for 40 years.

 

[JLB]

We all know Cyrus gave the edict of restoration, as he was commanded to by God. What you fail to prove is that this instance of the command is the one that began the 70wks. One interesting fact is that Cyrus relayed the edict the same year as Daniel was given the 70wks prophecy. This means that if Cyrus kicked off the 70wks then Gabriel could/should/would have simply said the weeks begin 'now' if he truly wanted Daniel to understand.

Human calenders and human reasoning don't change the Word of God.

28 Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." '

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:13

Who does God say in this verse will build the city?


JLB

 

[JLB]

You are contradicting yourself. When you insert a 40yr/1gen gap between the 7 and 62 weeks you contradict your idea that "Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years" by making it 15 generations and ??? years. 600yrs? 520yrs? Your math really makes no sense.

We know what year Cyrus gave his edict, and we know that Darius' command in his second year restarted construction which was just 18 years after Cyrus began it. There is no way construction was stopped for 40 years.

This chart shows the time from the going forth of the command to Messiah the prince.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years

Time of Captivity = 70 years

560 -70 = 490 years

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation

33 = Birth to “Palm Sunday”

490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth” to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks

[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]


JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

Human calenders and human reasoning don't change the Word of God.

28 Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." '

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:13

Who does God say in this verse will build the city?


JLB

Human misinterpretation does seek to change the word of God, usually in the service of some false dogma of man. You should investigate the word translated as 'build'.

 

[Sinthesis]

This chart shows the time from the going forth of the command to Messiah the prince.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years

Time of Captivity = 70 years

560 -70 = 490 years

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation

33 = Birth to “Palm Sunday”

490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth” to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks

[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]


JLB

What chart? Perhaps if you would actually provide a chart everyone might see how inconsistent and contradictory your assertions are. If you believe Palm Sunday was in 33AD, then what year do you believe Cyrus gave his edict? You should be able to give an answer if your calculations make sense. You should be able to give an answer for whatever year you believe Palm Sunday occurred.

 

[Deborah13]

The word (woman) symbolizes Israel and (the remnant of her seed) is the individual members of the Church (born again christians and also the Jewish Church). The members of the Jewish Church were they to whom "the commandments of God" were specially revealed, and Christians are they who specially "hold the testimony of Jesus."The book of Revelation works behind symbols and visions. Blessings, DRS81.

Thanks for responding. I would just point out one thing.
imo
The remnant are described as both "keeping the commandments of God and the testimony of Christ"
So I don't see any difference in the seed of the woman, all of them do both of these things. I don't see that there is a Jewish Church and some other Church. There is the Body of Christ only made of up ethnic Jews and those who are not ethnic Jews. But both have been circumcised in their hearts.
I think that the woman is representative of the OT believing Church of Israel that brought forth the Messiah. She was the woman who travailed.

 

[JLB]

What chart? Perhaps if you would actually provide a chart everyone might see how inconsistent and contradictory your assertions are. If you believe Palm Sunday was in 33AD, then what year do you believe Cyrus gave his edict? You should be able to give an answer if your calculations make sense. You should be able to give an answer for whatever year you believe Palm Sunday occurred.

Please show me in this post where the year 33 AD occurs.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years

Time of Captivity = 70 years

560 -70 = 490 years

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation

33 = Birth to “Palm Sunday”

490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth” to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks

[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]

Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, Luke 3:23


JLB

 

[DRS81]

Body of Christ only made of up ethnic Jews and those who are not ethnic Jews. But both have been circumcised in their hearts. I think that the woman is representative of the OT believing Church of Israel that brought forth the Messiah. She was the woman who travailed.

Hi Deb. Rev 12 is certainly a complex and fascinating study. This I believe is how it reads..
1. Rev 12:1-3 (future tense and a part of the great tribulation)
2. Rev 12:4-5 (past tense)
3. Rev 12:6 is (future tense and a part of the great tribulation)
4. Rev 12:7-13 is (past tense)
5. Rev 12:14-17 (future tense and a part of the great tribulation)

Luke 21:25-28 (Great Tribulation)
25 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Distress of Nations - 7heads/10horns/7crowns (Great Tribulation) - Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

Rev 20:4 (Great Tribulation)
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Testimony of Jesus / Rev 12:17 (Great Tribulation) - Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

 

[DRS81]

When studying Dan 9:27, keep in mind that when they mention the (Seven Year Great Tribulation), the Bible is describing it using two different names. The first 3.5 years is called (The Tribulation), and the last 3.5 years is called (The Great Tribulation). The tribulation is the 7 seals, the introduction of the Antichrist and Abomination of Desolation. The Great Tribulation is God's Wrath which includes the 7 trumpets. 7 bowls and finally Armageddon. It's important to separate these events in the first 3.5 years and the last 3.5 years.

Daniel 9:27 - Beginning of 3.5 Years/Antichrist is introduced/1st Seal/Peace Treaty
Daniel 9:27 - In the middle of tribulation 3.5 years/Abomination of Desolation/Between 5th & 6th Seal

When the Antichrist signs that peace treaty, then we will know the seven year great trib has begun.

 

[Sinthesis]

Please show me in this post where the year 33 AD occurs.





Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, Luke 3:23


JLB

I used the qualifier 'if' because you are understandably vague in sharing what year you believe anything took place. What year do you believe Palm Sunday occurred? What year do you believe Jesus began His ministry? Once you nail down an answer you should be able to work backwards according to your 70wks non-chart and tell us what year you believe Cyrus gave his edict, that is if your math makes sense.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

When you say the woman is Israel, who do you say is Israel?
The last verse describes the woman's remnant in these verses.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I only read this one post, don't even know why it was onscreen, and didn't read other posts around it yet. (oh , yeah, the thread title - "simple"? .... really ?? but somehow this one post (above) was displayed and no other one.

anyway, Yhwh's Word is true, and men have broken it. Yeshua had to die in everyone's place so anyone would have a chance.
and Revelation 12:17 is certainly and absolutely true. (as is all of Yhwh's Word). Shalom to all who are the remnant !

 

[JLB]

I used the qualifier 'if' because you are understandably vague in sharing what year you believe anything took place. What year do you believe Palm Sunday occurred? What year do you believe Jesus began His ministry? Once you nail down an answer you should be able to work backwards according to your 70wks non-chart and tell us what year you believe Cyrus gave his edict, that is if your math makes sense.

Please show me the scripture that gives the year Jesus began His Ministry.

If you can not, then you are only presuming what the year was, based on data that is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

My formula is based on the scriptures not secular "dates".

My formula shows the 69 weeks from the command to Messiah the Prince.

Cyrus gave the command to build the city and temple.

Artexerses gave a letter to do the work of the Temple, not the city.

11 This is a copy of the letter that King Artaxerxes gave Ezra the priest, the scribe, expert in the words of the commandments of the Lord, and of His statutes to Israel: 12Artaxerxes, king of kings, To Ezra the priest, a scribe of the Law of the God of heaven: Perfect peace, and so forth. 13 I issue a decree that all those of the people of Israel and the priests and Levites in my realm, who volunteer to go up to Jerusalem, may go with you. 14 And whereas you are being sent by the king and his seven counselors to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, with regard to the Law of your God which is in your hand; 15 and whereas you are to carry the silver and gold which the king and his counselors have freely offered to the God of Israel, whose dwelling is in Jerusalem; 16 and whereas all the silver and gold that you may find in all the province of Babylon, along with the freewill offering of the people and the priests, are to be freely offered for the house of their God in Jerusalem-- 17 now therefore, be careful to buy with this money bulls, rams, and lambs, with their grain offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them on the altar of the house of your God in Jerusalem. 18 And whatever seems good to you and your brethren to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, do it according to the will of your God. 19 Also the articles that are given to you for the service of the house of your God, deliver in full before the God of Jerusalem. 20 And whatever more may be needed for the house of your God, which you may have occasion to provide, pay for it from the king's treasury. 21 And I, even I, Artaxerxes the king, issue a decree to all the treasurers who are in the region beyond the River, that whatever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the Law of the God of heaven, may require of you, let it be done diligently, 22 up to one hundred talents of silver, one hundred kors of wheat, one hundred baths of wine, one hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribed limit. 23Whatever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it diligently be done for the house of the God of heaven. For why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons? Ezra 7: 11-23


Cyrus was the king called by God and anointed by God to build both the city and the Temple.

The kings that followed were only continuing what was commanded by God through King Cyrus.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:13


JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

Please show me the scripture that gives the year Jesus began His Ministry.

If you can not, then you are only presuming what the year was, based on data that is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

My formula is based on the scriptures not secular "dates".

My formula shows the 69 weeks from the command to Messiah the Prince.

Cyrus gave the command to build the city and temple.

Artexerses gave a letter to do the work of the Temple, not the city.

Cyrus was the king called by God and anointed by God to build both the city and the Temple.

The kings that followed were only continuing what was commanded by God through King Cyrus.


JLB

Until you show how your formula applies to the real world it remains just adding and subtracting numbers with a little multiplication thrown in to arrive at a number that seems like it must be right because it is divisible by seven. Just as with the Jews who desire the 70wks to be the time between the destructions of the temples, and thus remove decades from their historic calendar, your formula is internally inconsistent and can not be made to conform to reality, and is therefore false.

FYI, Luke 3:1 tells us what year Christ began His ministry. This Holy Spirit inspired data can be shown to correspond with secular dates in a way which establishes the truth of Daniel's prophecy, and whereby Jesus is confirmed as the Jewish Messiah. Prophecy is for believers, because when fulfilled it confirms their faith.

Luk 3:1 ¶ Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

 

[JLB]

Until you show how your formula applies to the real world it remains just adding and subtracting numbers with a little multiplication thrown in to arrive at a number that seems like it must be right because it is divisible by seven. Just as with the Jews who desire the 70wks to be the time between the destructions of the temples, and thus remove decades from their historic calendar, your formula is internally inconsistent and can not be made to conform to reality, and is therefore false.

FYI, Luke 3:1 tells us what year Christ began His ministry. This Holy Spirit inspired data can be shown to correspond with secular dates in a way which establishes the truth of Daniel's prophecy, and whereby Jesus is confirmed as the Jewish Messiah. Prophecy is for believers, because when fulfilled it confirms their faith.

Luk 3:1 ¶ Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

So far, all you have done is try and disprove what the scriptures say about Cyrus, in favor of your secular dates.

I have proved from the scriptures that Cyrus was called and anointed by God to build the city and temple.

His command released the exiles for this work and started the 70 weeks.

I have also showed from the scriptures the time-line of the 69 weeks, from the going forth of the command [from Cyrus] to Messiah the Prince.

Artaxerxes gave no such command but only granted the request of Ezra, by following the orders of Cyrus.

Furthermore, I have shown from the scriptures that Artaxerxes letter only involves the work of the temple in Ezra 7.

11 This is a copy of the letter that King Artaxerxes gave Ezra the priest, the scribe, expert in the words of the commandments of the Lord, and of His statutes to Israel: 12 Artaxerxes, king of kings, To Ezra the priest, a scribe of the Law of the God of heaven: Perfect peace, and so forth. 13 I issue a decree that all those of the people of Israel and the priests and Levites in my realm, who volunteer to go up to Jerusalem, may go with you. 14 And whereas you are being sent by the king and his seven counselors to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, with regard to the Law of your God which is in your hand; 15 and whereas you are to carry the silver and gold which the king and his counselors have freely offered to the God of Israel, whose dwelling is in Jerusalem; 16 and whereas all the silver and gold that you may find in all the province of Babylon, along with the freewill offering of the people and the priests, are to be freely offered for the house of their God in Jerusalem-- 17 now therefore, be careful to buy with this money bulls, rams, and lambs, with their grain offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them on the altar of the house of your God in Jerusalem. 18 And whatever seems good to you and your brethren to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, do it according to the will of your God. 19 Also the articles that are given to you for the service of the house of your God, deliver in full before the God of Jerusalem. 20 And whatever more may be needed for the house of your God, which you may have occasion to provide, pay for it from the king's treasury. 21 And I, even I, Artaxerxes the king, issue a decree to all the treasurers who are in the region beyond the River, that whatever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the Law of the God of heaven, may require of you, let it be done diligently, 22 up to one hundred talents of silver, one hundred kors of wheat, one hundred baths of wine, one hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribed limit. 23 Whatever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it diligently be done for the house of the God of heaven. For why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?


27 Blessed be the Lord God of our fathers, who has put such a thing as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem, Ezra 7:11-24


Clearly the overwhelming scriptural proof that God Himself called Cyrus to give the command to free the exiles for the purpose of building the city and the temple, that started Daniels 70 weeks, can not be refuted.


JLB

 

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Daniel 9:24-27 the Vision of the Seventy Weeks

Vs. 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This verse shows us that the timing from Ezra to the cross was 490 days as within that time Ezra was reestablishing the law in Jerusalem until Jesus had fulfilled the end of transgression, made an end to sin, made reconciliation for iniquity and bring everlasting righteousness and to seal up the prophecy to fulfill the law through the cross.

Vs. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

From the time of the cross, which also means the last days, which includes what some like to separate and call the Great Tribulation, which is not mentioned anywhere in scripture and is not a separate event after the elect of God are caught up, but as the last days so we are in tribulation times until the end of the world as we know it; (Ref: Acts 2:17; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 24:4-31; Mark 13:24-31; Luke 21:5-36). These are just some of the scriptures that support that we will go through all things of Revelation Chapters 6-21 (Please read these chapters). Everyone will have opportunity to come unto salvation through Jesus Christ if they would only repent, but when Satan is cast into the lake of fire forever after the second battle, which will be explained later in this chapter, that will come out of Jerusalem Gods judgment will be upon his people and the books will be opened at that time. No secret rapture as the saints of God are still here at this time.

Matthew 25:10 and while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Vs.26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 434 years that end in the year AD29 shall Messiah be cut off. Jesus was crucified after he was baptized in AD 29 three and a half years later. Jesus was cut off (killed) by the people of the prince, which means National Israel or other words the Pharisees, Sanhedrin and the high priest that destroy the city and the sanctuary (meaning Christ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Gods wrath) that will put an end to abominations by desolation or in other words a ruin to evil deeds. Daniel 9:27 explains the definitions of desolation of abominations or the ruin of evil deeds. There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where the so-called Antichrist will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the NWO tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, (Ref: Daniel 11:36-45). Gods’ word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists. The seven years that some call the seven year tribulation means three and a half years of Jesus teaching before he was crucified and three and a half years of Stephen teaching before he was stoned to death, which took place after Jesus was taken up to heaven.

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Thessalonians 2:6 and now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Thessalonians 2:7 for the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Thessalonians 2:8 and then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Thessalonians 2:10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Thessalonians 2:11 and for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Vs.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross as he was the final sacrifice that fulfilled the law. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the Spiritual city right up to the cross were the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes and gathers his bride as they prepare to stand in the Holy place until the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all that would not repent.