Deciphering 666 in Advance.

[JudaicChristian]

If im not mistaken,the seven heads of the beast are seven mountains.Its a location.
I suggest you find the center of Jerusalem and you will find the beast. 666

For more than 2000 years Rome has been called the city of the seven hills. It has also been a world economic power, and it had adopted Babylonian Paganism. The Vatican is the worlds smallest nation. In Roman numerals the word Italia add up to 666, and the Popes name title on his fish hat add up to 666 also. The name of the seven hills are named after Pagan gods which is a blasphemy. The hidden meaning to the word Vati/can is "prophetic serpent." That word is a compound word, but you will not find a dictionary that states that fact. And the list go,s on and on. No one needs to hit me in the head with a shovel to wake me up.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If im not mistaken,the seven heads of the beast are seven mountains.Its a location.
I suggest you find the center of Jerusalem and you will find the beast. 666

For more than 2000 years Rome has been called the city of the seven hills. It has also been a world economic power, and it had adopted Babylonian Paganism. The Vatican is the worlds smallest nation. In Roman numerals the word Italia add up to 666, and the Popes name title on his fish hat add up to 666 also. The name of the seven hills are named after Pagan gods which is a blasphemy. The hidden meaning to the word Vati/can is "prophetic serpent." That word is a compound word, but you will not find a dictionary that states that fact. And the list go,s on and on. No one needs to hit me in the head with a shovel to wake me up.

Sorry.Rome was the 6th but the beast is the 8th and of the 7.
You need hit in the head with a shovel,yes.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Caesars

#1 Julius, #2 Augustus, #3 Tiberius, #4 Caligula, #5 Claudius, #6 Nero, #7 Galba, #8 Otho. Vitellius was the first to add Cognomen Germanicus to his name instead of Caesar upon his accession; the latter name Caesar had fallen into disrepute because of the actions of Nero. Vespasian, Titus and Domitian were actually a separate dynasty called the Flavians.
Between June 68 and December 69, Rome witnessed a successive rise and fall of Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, until the accession of Vespasian, the first ruler of the Flavian dynasty.


Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.


The Book of Legends is a 8th century Gnostic writing, which also mentions Jerusalem as The City of the seven Hills. I, myself am not a Gnostic or a Kabbalist. Nor do I put any faith in such works. Like I have said before, Rome has been known as the city of the seven hills for more than 2000 years.


Revelation 13:2
[ The Beast out of the Sea ] And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.


Revelation 17:3
Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.

 

[JudaicChristian]

If im not mistaken,the seven heads of the beast are seven mountains.Its a location.
I suggest you find the center of Jerusalem and you will find the beast. 666

For more than 2000 years Rome has been called the city of the seven hills. It has also been a world economic power, and it had adopted Babylonian Paganism. The Vatican is the worlds smallest nation. In Roman numerals the word Italia add up to 666, and the Popes name title on his fish hat add up to 666 also. The name of the seven hills are named after Pagan gods which is a blasphemy. The hidden meaning to the word Vati/can is "prophetic serpent." That word is a compound word, but you will not find a dictionary that states that fact. And the list go,s on and on. No one needs to hit me in the head with a shovel to wake me up.

Sorry.Rome was the 6th but the beast is the 8th and of the 7.
You need hit in the head with a shovel,yes.

In imperial times the original meaning of the festival was lost and it became a celebration of the whole city. Then, (G. Vaccai - Le Feste di Roma Antica) somebody at the time of the emperors, when the city had grown bigger, started to wonder which were the seven hills, therefore they were identified with the seven hills that we know today.
The first document that lists them is a description of the city made in Constantinian times (early 4th century), and this is the list:
Aventinus (Aventine)
Caelius (Caelian)
Capitolium (Capitoline)
Esquiliae (Esquiline)
Palatium (Palatine)
Quirinalis (Quirinal)
Viminalis (Viminal)

 

[Tabasco Breath]

I've been told on several occassions that the number of the beast (666) is indecipherable prior to the beast's appearance; however, I can't seem to locate any scriptures to that effect. Can anyone cite such scriptures?

I wouldn't get too exciting about any Beast appearing. We have to keep in mind this was written in a High Context society using a specific, popular, type of literature. Or in otherwords it was written for specific in-groups, an in-group being a group that has similar experiences and expectations where they used common expressions that the "in group" would find familiar. In otherwords they weren't speaking to us and that is why we postulate these biziarre opinions given the idea of the Beast. They know exactly who was being referred to here and moreover the evidence is quite apparent this fellow has been deceased for a long long time now.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

In imperial times the original meaning of the festival was lost and it became a celebration of the whole city. Then, (G. Vaccai - Le Feste di Roma Antica) somebody at the time of the emperors, when the city had grown bigger, started to wonder which were the seven hills, therefore they were identified with the seven hills that we know today.
The first document that lists them is a description of the city made in Constantinian times (early 4th century), and this is the list:
Aventinus (Aventine)
Caelius (Caelian)
Capitolium (Capitoline)
Esquiliae (Esquiline)
Palatium (Palatine)
Quirinalis (Quirinal)
Viminalis (Viminal)

Thats a nice set of names.Its such a shame none of those are in the pleasant land where the beast is.

Dan 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.
Like I said.If you want to find the beast look in Jerusalem.

I have a question for you.Who are the children in the following verses and where is thier kingdom?
Is this the kingdom that is to be inheritted by the saints?

Mat 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac,and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness,there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[David505]

We have to keep in mind this was written in a High Context society using a specific, popular, type of literature...They know exactly who was being referred to here and moreover the evidence is quite apparent this fellow has been deceased for a long long time now.

Thanks Tabasco Breath,

Do you mean Nero?

My own feeling is that the prophecy applies to the time of the end.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I've been told on several occassions that the number of the beast (666) is indecipherable prior to the beast's appearance; however, I can't seem to locate any scriptures to that effect. Can anyone cite such scriptures?

I wouldn't get too exciting about any Beast appearing. We have to keep in mind this was written in a High Context society using a specific, popular, type of literature. Or in otherwords it was written for specific in-groups, an in-group being a group that has similar experiences and expectations where they used common expressions that the "in group" would find familiar. In otherwords they weren't speaking to us and that is why we postulate these biziarre opinions given the idea of the Beast. They know exactly who was being referred to here and moreover the evidence is quite apparent this fellow has been deceased for a long long time now.

The beast has already appeared.
Rev13;3
And I saw one of its heads as it were wounded to death;and its deadly wound was healed;and all the world wonderd after the beast.

Question-where did the people in Judea come from?
Answer-from all over the world.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Thats a nice set of names.Its such a shame none of those are in the pleasant land where the beast is.

Dan 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.
Like I said.If you want to find the beast look in Jerusalem.

I have a question for you.Who are the children in the following verses and where is thier kingdom?
Is this the kingdom that is to be inheritted by the saints?

Mat 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac,and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness,there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Your teaching comes from Gnosticism.The Book of Legends is a 8th century Gnostic writing, which also mentions Jerusalem as The City of the seven Hills. I, myself am not a Gnostic or a Kabbalist. Nor do I put any faith in such works. Like I have said before, Rome has been known as the city of the seven hills for more than 2000 years. Are you a Gnostic Christian?

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Hills and Mountains in scripture do not mean literal hills and mountains they = KINGDOMS.

the 7 hills or mountains are the 7 kingdoms who have persecuted Israel by the order of God throughout time
1Egypt2 Assyria 3Media4 persia5 Babylon 6Greece 7Rome.

It is not one physical location that has 7 hills in it. This shows us just like the Image of the beast made by nebuchanezar as a statue of gold.- He was beginning from his day So the first ones were missed Egypt and Assyria, then the head was gold and began with babylon, medes, persians,greeks, rome.

Now in rev 17 john is speaking from HIS day so ONE IS = ROME and one was to comewhich is the end time beast of daniel that is all these kingdoms combined to fill the whole earth- the beast out of the sea.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Hills and Mountains in scripture do not mean literal hills and mountains they = KINGDOMS.

the 7 hills or mountains are the 7 kingdoms who have persecuted Israel by the order of God throughout time
1Egypt2 Assyria 3Media4 persia5 Babylon 6Greece 7Rome.

It is not one physical location that has 7 hills in it. This shows us just like the Image of the beast made by nebuchanezar as a statue of gold.- He was beginning from his day So the first ones were missed Egypt and Assyria, then the head was gold and began with babylon, medes, persians,greeks, rome.

Now in rev 17 john is speaking from HIS day so ONE IS = ROME and one was to comewhich is the end time beast of daniel that is all these kingdoms combined to fill the whole earth- the beast out of the sea.

Scriptures do not say the seven hills are seven kingdoms, it says the [seven heads] are seven hills with seven kings, and even an eighth king. The woman is Mystery Babylon, a single nation. The Mystery is that it is not the literal Babylon, but a nation that has adopted Babylons Pagan beliefs, and has also become a world power.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Caesars

#1 Julius, #2 Augustus, #3 Tiberius, #4 Caligula, #5 Claudius, #6 Nero, #7 Galba, #8 Otho. Vitellius was the first to add Cognomen Germanicus to his name instead of Caesar upon his accession; the latter name Caesar had fallen into disrepute because of the actions of Nero. Vespasian, Titus and Domitian were actually a separate dynasty called the Flavians.
Between June 68 and December 69, Rome witnessed a successive rise and fall of Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, until the accession of Vespasian, the first ruler of the Flavian dynasty.


Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was [will be], and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelation 17:9-12. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven [hills/mountains], on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings:...


And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto [the/that] beast.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Thats a nice set of names.Its such a shame none of those are in the pleasant land where the beast is.

Dan 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.
Like I said.If you want to find the beast look in Jerusalem.

I have a question for you.Who are the children in the following verses and where is thier kingdom?
Is this the kingdom that is to be inheritted by the saints?

Mat 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac,and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness,there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Your teaching comes from Gnosticism.The Book of Legends is a 8th century Gnostic writing, which also mentions Jerusalem as The City of the seven Hills. I, myself am not a Gnostic or a Kabbalist. Nor do I put any faith in such works. Like I have said before, Rome has been known as the city of the seven hills for more than 2000 years. Are you a Gnostic Christian?

My teaching doesnt come from Gnosticism.In fact ,Ive never heard the book of Legends.
But Jerusalem 2000 years ago sat upon seven hills.Its a known fact .Your biggest problem is you cant carry Romes hills into Judea.The bible says where the beast is and its not Rome.The beast is in the pleasant land and you can not move those hills from the pleasant land either.The bible also says the saints shall inherit the kingdom where the beast is.That my friend is the promised land for that land is promised to the seed of Abraham.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was [will be], and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. [/size]

Here is more proof the beast is not Rome.When John wrote this 2000 years ago ,He plainly writes the beast was and is not.This means that nation referd to as the beast was a nation but at the time John wrote this it was not a nation.Keep in mind Rome was a nation at that time so the beast can not be Rome.The nation Ive been telling you about was a nation before John wrote this verse but was not a nation when he wrote it.That nation calls itself Israel.It was and when John wrote this it was not and now it is once more.

There was a time when I struggled to understand verses such as this untill I learned who was ment to understand it.Reading about the beast is like reading a jewish history book.Its ment to be understood by the saints in Judea who shall suffer much hardship and even shall lay down thier lives for the name of Jesus and for the kingdom of heavens sake.It is for the saints in tribulation.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Here is more proof the beast is not Rome.When John wrote this 2000 years ago ,He plainly writes the beast was and is not.This means that nation referd to as the beast was a nation but at the time John wrote this it was not a nation.Keep in mind Rome was a nation at that time so the beast can not be Rome.The nation Ive been telling you about was a nation before John wrote this verse but was not a nation when he wrote it.That nation calls itself Israel.It was and when John wrote this it was not and now it is once more.

There was a time when I struggled to understand verses such as this untill I learned who was ment to understand it.Reading about the beast is like reading a jewish history book.Its ment to be understood by the saints in Judea who shall suffer much hardship and even shall lay down thier lives for the name of Jesus and for the kingdom of heavens sake.It is for the saints in tribulation.

Israel was a nation until it's final defeat in 133AD. Jerusalem was not called the city of the seven hills until after the Gnostic's wrote that book; but long before then Rome was called the city of the seven hills. When Napoleon imprisoned the Pope in 1798 people thought that the Papacy would never rise again. When the Vatican was restored to power the news papers read "The deadly wound is healed."

 

[JudaicChristian]

My teaching doesnt come from Gnosticism.In fact ,Ive never heard the book of Legends.
But Jerusalem 2000 years ago sat upon seven hills.Its a known fact .Your biggest problem is you cant carry Romes hills into Judea.The bible says where the beast is and its not Rome.The beast is in the pleasant land and you can not move those hills from the pleasant land either.The bible also says the saints shall inherit the kingdom where the beast is.That my friend is the promised land for that land is promised to the seed of Abraham.

All of the nations are addressed as beast.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My teaching doesnt come from Gnosticism.In fact ,Ive never heard the book of Legends.
But Jerusalem 2000 years ago sat upon seven hills.Its a known fact .Your biggest problem is you cant carry Romes hills into Judea.The bible says where the beast is and its not Rome.The beast is in the pleasant land and you can not move those hills from the pleasant land either.The bible also says the saints shall inherit the kingdom where the beast is.That my friend is the promised land for that land is promised to the seed of Abraham.

All of the nations are addressed as beast.

The beast with seven heads is in the promised land.And you can not move the hills of Jerusalem,
Here is proof that beast is in the promised land and not Rome.

Daniel 7;27
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Jesus said how this same kingdom would be taken from the children of the kingdom and given to the saints in
Mt 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness,there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

How many false prophets have prophecied that Israel would not go into captivity in Babylon?
Israel surly shall go into captivity in Babylon.

And yes,these verses are about the Messianic jews going into captivity in the land of Judea.Thier own race is going to imprison them because they follow the Lamb of God.Thier enemies shall be those of thier own households.The son shall lead the father up to death and the daughter in law shall deliver the mother in law up to death.


Daniel 11;33
And they that understand amoung the people shall instruct many;yet they shall fall by the sword,and by flame,by captivity,and by spoil,many days.

Rev13;10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity,he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Rev17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen, and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth ,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

The seven kings that have reigned over Israel
Five that were fallen.
Egypt,Assyrian,Babylon,Persia,and Macedonia.
One that was at the time John wrote this-Rome.
Then came the Dispora
The one who would come and continue a short space,who the people of Israel were gatherd under-
Great britian.
The eighth is that kingdom that once was,then was not when John wrote this,but now is again today.
The kingdom that calls itself by the name of Israel.


Just like reading a jewish history book.Like I said.The book of Revelation is written so the messianic jews can understand it.Yes about 144,000 saints in the land of Judea will understand this book like they understand thier own heritage. :yes