Deciphering 666 in Advance.

[JudaicChristian]

You must not have read what I wrote. Anyway, believe what you what, I'm done speaking to you about it.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Mystery Babylon The Great is destroyed and sinks below the ocean, never to rise again, never to be inhabited again. Such is not the case for Israel. That is why Jerusalem can not possibly be Mystery Babylon.

Joel 3:20.
Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations.

Zechariah 14:11.
It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

Revelation 18:21. Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
"With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Mystery Babylon The Great is destroyed and sinks below the ocean, never to rise again, never to be inhabited again. Such is not the case for Israel. That is why Jerusalem can not possibly be Mystery Babylon.

Joel 3:20.
Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations.

Zechariah 14:11.
It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

Revelation 18:21. Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
"With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.

No Babylon the great does not sink below the ocean.Its is cast down as in not one stone will be left upon another.The verses you quoted about Jerusalem are about the new Jerusalem that will come down out of heaven where Babylon the great is today.After Babylon the great is destroyed,man will not build walls there and it will be called the land without walls.It is also referd to as a camp in Rev.

This is a description of the land of Israel at the end of the 1000 year reign when Gog comes upon the mountains of Israel.
Eze 38;11
And thou shall say,I will go up to the land of unwalled villiages;I will go to them that are at rest,that dwell safely,all of them dwelling without walls,and having neither bars nor gates.

Here is the same war mentioned in Rev proving that Jerusalem will have no walls at the end of the 1000 year reign.Its called a camp.

Rev 20;9
And they went up on the earth,and compassed the camp of the saints about,and the beloved city;and fire came down from God out of heaven,and devoured them.

The city that will never be destroyed is the city made by God.The holy city of Jerusalem.Not that city sitting there now.The muslims (kings of the east)are going to burn that city .

 

[JudaicChristian]

Never to be found again.

 

[Sinthesis]

Never to be found again.

If all this happens at the end of the world, then 'never to be found again' is pretty much a given. Is it not? :crazy

 

[JudaicChristian]

Never to be found again.

If all this happens at the end of the world, then 'never to be found again' is pretty much a given. Is it not? :crazy

There is no reason to believe that it means anything else. Revelation 18:21. Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Between the time of Nero to the end of Otho the nation was in dispute, and had sufferd collapse. That could be what is meant by the wording: "The beast who once was, and now is not..." Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

 

[Tabasco Breath]

We have to keep in mind this was written in a High Context society using a specific, popular, type of literature...They know exactly who was being referred to here and moreover the evidence is quite apparent this fellow has been deceased for a long long time now.

Thanks Tabasco Breath,

Do you mean Nero?

My own feeling is that the prophecy applies to the time of the end.

Hi David505

So did they believe that it applied to the end times, but in a more time related relevance to them. There was a phenomenon called Nero Redivivus, the believe that Nero was not dead, or was coming back to life, or was actually Domitian reincarnated who happen to rule about the same time Revelations was written and the writer given this rather rampant view would have been familar with. Keep in mind the era and the events surrounding them that would have perhaps cause them to see a end and the need for someone to redresss that despair with Apocalyptic literature to revamp some hope.

The view of what they were referring to as being ours or some furture era is a part of theology, but it really doesn't do original intent justice, but in theology context at times tends to get lost as the end justifies the means.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Here is more proof the beast is not Rome.When John wrote this 2000 years ago ,He plainly writes the beast was and is not.This means that nation referd to as the beast was a nation but at the time John wrote this it was not a nation.Keep in mind Rome was a nation at that time so the beast can not be Rome.The nation Ive been telling you about was a nation before John wrote this verse but was not a nation when he wrote it.That nation calls itself Israel.It was and when John wrote this it was not and now it is once more.

There was a time when I struggled to understand verses such as this untill I learned who was ment to understand it.Reading about the beast is like reading a jewish history book.Its ment to be understood by the saints in Judea who shall suffer much hardship and even shall lay down thier lives for the name of Jesus and for the kingdom of heavens sake.It is for the saints in tribulation.

Israel was a nation until it's final defeat in 133AD. Jerusalem was not called the city of the seven hills until after the Gnostic's wrote that book; but long before then Rome was called the city of the seven hills. When Napoleon imprisoned the Pope in 1798 people thought that the Papacy would never rise again. When the Vatican was restored to power the news papers read "The deadly wound is healed."

If it was a nation.Where was its leaders?
The term "Knesset" is derived from the ancient Great Assembly or Great Synagogue (Hebrew: ???????? ????????????) which according to Jewish tradition was an assembly of 120 scribes, sages, and prophets, in the period from the end of the Biblical prophets to the time of the development of Rabbinic Judaism - about two centuries ending c. 70 CE. Deadly wound

 

[JudaicChristian]

[Akiba / Akiva] ben Yossef (ca.50–ca.135 CE) (Hebrew: ??? ?????) or simply Rabbi Akiva was a Judean tanna of the latter part of the 1st century and the beginning of the 2nd century (3rd tannaitic generation). He was a great authority in the matter of Jewish tradition, and one of the most central and essential contributors to the Mishnah and Midrash Halakha. He is referred to in the Talmud as "Rosh la-Chachomim" (Head of all the Sages). He is considered by many to be one of the earliest founders of rabbinical Judaism. The Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136; Hebrew: ??? ?? ?????? or mered bar kokhba) against the Roman Empire was the third major rebellion by the Jews of Iudaea Province (also spelled Judaea) and the last of the Jewish-Roman Wars. Simon bar Kokhba, the commander of the revolt, was acclaimed as a Messiah, a heroic figure who could restore Israel. The revolt established an independent state of Israel over parts of Judea for over two years, but a Roman army of 12 legions with auxiliaries finally crushed it. The Jewish sage Rabbi Akiva (alternatively Akiba) indulged the possibility that the chosen commander Simon Bar Kokhba was the Jewish Messiah, according to the Star Prophecy verse from Numbers 24:17: "There shall come a star out of Jacob."

 

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[JudaicChristian]

If it was a nation.Where was its leaders?
The term "Knesset" is derived from the ancient Great Assembly or Great Synagogue (Hebrew: ???????? ????????????) which according to Jewish tradition was an assembly of 120 scribes, sages, and prophets, in the period from the end of the Biblical prophets to the time of the development of Rabbinic Judaism - about two centuries ending c. 70 CE. Deadly wound

I do understand how you reached that conclusion that Israel is Babylon, because I considered it myself. Here is what the disciples thought at that time for a clue. 1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.
Where do you think Paul, peter, and Silas were at?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If it was a nation.Where was its leaders?
The term "Knesset" is derived from the ancient Great Assembly or Great Synagogue (Hebrew: ???????? ????????????) which according to Jewish tradition was an assembly of 120 scribes, sages, and prophets, in the period from the end of the Biblical prophets to the time of the development of Rabbinic Judaism - about two centuries ending c. 70 CE. Deadly wound

I do understand how you reached that conclusion that Israel is Babylon, because I considered it myself. Here is what the disciples thought at that time for a clue. 1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.
Where do you think Paul, peter, and Silas were at?

Peter isnt around to see what I see today.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Peter isn't around to see what I see today.

I wonder how many Christians believe as you do, that they know better than the disciples or prophets. That could explain why it is so difficult for me to communicate with other Christians. Everyone thinks they know more about scriptures than I do. Here is the problem with you position. It is out of context because it does not align with history and scriptures. You are only able to get a partial agreement with scriptures.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Peter isn't around to see what I see today.

I wonder how many Christians believe as you do, that they know better than the disciples or prophets. That could explain why it is so difficult for me to communicate with other Christians. Everyone thinks they know more about scriptures than I do. Here is the problem with you position. It is out of context because it does not align with history and scriptures. You are only able to get a partial agreement with scriptures.

By scripture ,there could be no other place on this planet besides Jerusalem.Jesus would have to be wrong himself in order for that to happen.

Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.


Jesus said all the rightous blood shed upon the earth ,did he not?


Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.



The book of Rev said all that were slain upon the earth did it not?
Now the only way Jesus can be currect is if Jerusalem is resonsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.Or are you saying that Jesus is wrong?


Mt 25;27
Then answerd all the people,and said,His blood be on us,and on our children.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Id like to say that I really dont care who anyone on this board blames for all the blood shed upon the earth.You can blame the Romans,Egypt,or even Germany.All I really care about is knowing who Jesus blames for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.And this includes all those saints in the book of rev who are killed by the beast that is in Jerusalem.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Peter isn't around to see what I see today.

I wonder how many Christians believe as you do, that they know better than the disciples or prophets. That could explain why it is so difficult for me to communicate with other Christians. Everyone thinks they know more about scriptures than I do. Here is the problem with you position. It is out of context because it does not align with history and scriptures. You are only able to get a partial agreement with scriptures.

By scripture ,there could be no other place on this planet besides Jerusalem.Jesus would have to be wrong himself in order for that to happen.

Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.


Jesus said all the rightous blood shed upon the earth ,did he not?


Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.



The book of Rev said all that were slain upon the earth did it not?
Now the only way Jesus can be currect is if Jerusalem is resonsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.Or are you saying that Jesus is wrong?


Mt 25;27
Then answerd all the people,and said,His blood be on us,and on our children.

I also had taken those verses into consideration. Now consider this: Because the nation Israel rejected Yahshua as the Messiah, that has caused a chain of events for the worse. And because of that Israel gets the blame. Now you know Israel has not been a nation for almost 1846 years, and have you forgotten that disciple and great multitudes of Christians have been killed by Rome and the Papacy? Calling Israel the city of the seven hills is a Gnostic claim.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

By scripture ,there could be no other place on this planet besides Jerusalem.Jesus would have to be wrong himself in order for that to happen.

Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.


Jesus said all the rightous blood shed upon the earth ,did he not?


Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.



The book of Rev said all that were slain upon the earth did it not?
Now the only way Jesus can be currect is if Jerusalem is resonsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.Or are you saying that Jesus is wrong?


Mt 25;27
Then answerd all the people,and said,His blood be on us,and on our children.

I also had taken those verses into consideration. Now consider this: Because the nation Israel rejected Yahshua as the Messiah, that has caused a chain of events for the worse. And because of that Israel gets the blame. Now you know Israel has not been a nation for almost 1846 years, and have you forgotten that disciple and great multitudes of Christians have been killed by Rome and the Papacy? Calling Israel the city of the seven hills is a Gnostic claim.

Your not considering Jesus's words enough.
Not some but
ALL THE RIGHTOUS BLOOD SHED UPON THE EARTH

It sounds like you are saying Jesus is wrong.
Is Jerusalem responsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth or not?

 

[JudaicChristian]

For sure Israel has played the harlot, and it does get the blame; but it is not Mystery Babylon.
Revelation 18:11. "The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.
Does Israel sale marble? Did it sale slaves?
Revelation 18:21. the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.
Revelation 18:23. Your merchants were the world's great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
Was Israel ever a world leader in trade?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

For sure Israel has played the harlot, and it does get the blame; but it is not Mystery Babylon.

Yes ,Jerusalem gets the blame for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth just as Jesus said.

Rev 19;2
For true and righteous are his judgements;for he hath judged the great whore,which did corrupt the earth with her fornication,and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

I cant help it if you can not understand why.Im not even sure you attempt to understand why God will avenge the death of the prophets upon her. They will beat the saints in thier synagogues but do you even consider things such as this or do you believe the saints will not have tribulation at all?

Mk 13;9
But take heed to yourselves;for they shall deliver you up to councils;and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten,and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake,for a testimony against them.