Defending Lust

[Milk-Drops]

AAAHHHHHH!!! NO NO NO! Sex is a very empotional thing! It goes WAY beyond the physical! When two people have sexual relations they are in their most vunerable state. I do not want to be at my most vunerable with a guy who is just going to up and leave the next day, week, month or even year. Plus people who have multiple parteners are at more risk of getting STD's! And for women condems are not always effective! So you turn to birth control. Here's a bit from a paper I wrote on birth control:

The other thing is contrast to popular opinion contraceptives actually do more harm than good. Birth control pills uses two artificial hormones called estrogens and progestins. Their job is to inhibit ovulation and sperm transport. It does this by changing the lining of the inside of a woman’s uterus so that if the woman does conceive she may have an early abortion. ffice:office" /><o:p></o>
Another medical reason why the pill is not so good is because it can increase a woman’s chance of breast cancer by 40% if she takes it before she has her first baby. Some women who stop taking the pill lose their fertility for about a year. At least three studies have noted that the AIDS virus is transmitted easier to women who are taking birth control if her partner has the HIV virus.<o:p></o>

I am sorry but sex before marriage is NOT a good thing. No matter how you look at it, it's just not. Unfortunatly our world says "yay sex" and "sex=love" but that is NOT the case.
Sex is a beautiful wonderful thing when done between and man and wife but if done before it can really hurt people. I'm sorry for the rant but sex is not just a oh well oh hum thing. It's big and there is no such thing as casual sex. I mean come on really? So there is my rant. Again I am sorry that I ranted. Ok now we can get back to the topic.

Do you, or do you not understand that the concept of Marriage and how we choose who we marry has changed drasticly from when the Bible was penned.

In short, are you the property of your father who can give you away to a man in return for assets/land/live stock/ errand/ etc.?

 

[Jesusfreak97]

I will PM you.

 

[Danus]

Do you, or do you not understand that the concept of Marriage and how we choose who we marry has changed drasticly from when the Bible was penned.

In short, are you the property of your father who can give you away to a man in return for assets/land/live stock/ errand/ etc.?

Real marriage is not defined by man. It is defined by God as one man and one woman joined as one by by God. That's a real marriage.

However man can make up his own definition of marriage if he wants. Man has been doing that to some degree or another for a long time, but that will not change what God has already defined, and those marriages without God will fail.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Real marriage is not defined by man. It is defined by God as one man and one woman joined as one by by God. That's a real marriage.

However man can make up his own definition of marriage if he wants. Man has been doing that to some degree or another for a long time, but that will not change what God has already defined, and those marriages without God will fail.

You are aware that the marriage I was talking about was part of the very rules set down by your own God right?

Or is this another case of if I post the very verses a mod will sweep in a delete my post like what happened in the Slavery Thread? Your Bible says these things.

 

[Pard]

And it should be noted that marriage, as defined by God is evident in Genesis. And the concept is expounded upon in the New testament when Paul declares that a wife's body is her husband's and the husband's body is his wife's. Don't know where it is, but I'm sure of its existence in the scripture. Let me look...

Nevermind, I found it: http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/7-4.htm

Back to lust, though, for a moment. The Bible definition of lust is "to desire after". It can be used to speak about a desire for anything, be it flesh or what have you, like even a car or computer or something that isn't alive. Modern definition means "to desire sexually". Like to lust after a person you saw and who you think is good looking.

That being said I don't see how either one is different at the end of the day in why it happens. All lust (meaning sexual and greed and everything that you desire after, and that isn't God) comes from the same reason, which is that man has a hole in his heart and the hole can only be filled by Christ Jesus and if man doesn't have Christ Jesus then they try to stick other things into their heart hole and it just doesn't stick around long enough or at all (and usually the case is that at first it's good to go and then over time it becomes less and less filling until it doesn't fill one at all. Drugs being the perfect example in this case).

 

[Danus]

You are aware that the marriage I was talking about was part of the very rules set down by your own God right?

Or is this another case of if I post the very verses a mod will sweep in a delete my post like what happened in the Slavery Thread? Your Bible says these things.

Sort of.

Sorry it took me a while to get back to this one, but send me the verses on marriage and I'll address them with you.

 

[swordofpeace]

Funny I was just thinking about lust on my walk through the mountains today. Gotta get out in nature and enjoy the Creation which testifies to the glory of the creator. Not something to be neglected.

I was thinking of lust because I think of Gabriela and the harm I caused. I could also think of two other women especially. I would rather have my heart broken then break other people's hearts, and while my motives may not have been so bad, I cause a lot of pain and damage. I am shamed of myself. I ask for forgiveness and believe I receive it, yet I can't shake the idea of the need for penance or atonement or something. This may not be how grace works but I feel so bad. The story is long

I realized this:

Lust is selfish and is something only for the satisfaction of the self. Here is where any innocent natural "attraction" becomes something much worse- that L word that Jesus condemned. Attraction is probably a good thing- anyway it is a natural thing since we have bodies of flesh and are not pure spirits. It can even be a cause to rejoice in our heterosexuality. However when attraction gets put to selfish ends, co-opted so to speak, it becomes I think evil- a work of the flesh. I am just reading a book on Sex by a christian author and he is telling me that Lust dehumanizes people- not only the lustee but also the luster! I think that is largely why it is a sin. God doesn't make since or give laws
but that they have some purpose or reason- for the sake of peace and health and love- to make heaven on earth. What kind of heaven would we have if everyone was lusting at everyone else (selfishly wanting to use others for their satisfaction- disregarding the person- the entire person). Lust disregards the person- their history, their emotions, their needs. It becomes about mere gratification of the senses- or the ego.

There is often something else I feel. Maybe it is also lust but it is a deeper sort, after I know a person for a long time and begin to admire then and respect them, and see their pain and weakness and I want to connect. This is how it sort of that happened with Gabriela. This is yes probably still lust because it is still selfish (based in delusion). Yes lust creates delusion in the mind of the luster. We begin telling ourselves stories that we wouldn't tell ourselves in other circumstances. However there can also be love or admiration wrapped up in the lust. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you can't lust after them (not in the 'desire' sense of the word as in German, but in this selfish sense).

Then there is the beauty type that gives a man heartburn. Some forms of beauty are soothing and cooling, like a tropical breeze at sunset on the beech- a balmy beauty. Other female beauty types are sharp and painful, and give one heartburn, so one (me) is almost tempted to lust as self-defense. What needs to be understood is that these women are still human and do not necessarily intend to cause pain (projection).

What we furthermore must also understand if we are to truly follow Christ's example is that even the most degraded "dirty" prostitute or pimp or whatever, they are still human and a part of humanity and created in God's image, to magnify his glory, and who are we to put ourselves above such people as these? Who are we to be self-righteous and boast about our works and relative righteousness? There but for the grace of God go I must always be on our lips.

In answer to your original question "Why people defend lust" we can only speculate and I don't find any point in doing that. They do it because at that moment they are at war with truth for whatever reason. But why does it matter to you? Why do you want to know why people defend lust, why is it important?

Jesus could never have lusted because he could never have robbed a person of their humanity. I do wonder if he ever felt physical attraction though (which I am sure is not a sin)

Freedom from lust is hard, it is not easy. Maybe I say that because I am single and have had trouble finding a career and wife, which was Paul's advice. Maybe then it would be easier and I can't say I'm not envious of married men with daughters and sons- and I am sure that that envy is a poison. From now on when I feel lust - like 100 times a day- I am going to ask myself if I am being selfish. If I really have a concern for the other person- not just in general but in that moment, regarding that sexual fantasy. Invariably I am sure it will be no. This will be hard to do but with the spirit to help me, with Grace, which is active, maybe I can succeed. Meanwhile I should try to get a wife, but I am not sure how I can do that after I have crashed the car with this other woman

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"Jesus told us sex before marriage is a sin. Why do so many people defend lust?"

It appears to me that Biblically, "Sex before Marriage" = Marriage. And subsequent sex with other folks = Adultery.

Fact is that most folks in the U.S. that have "Weddings" (which are nothing but the execution of a legally binding civil Contract defining property rights, and establishing joint ownership issues), are married already, and often guilty of multiple adulteries already before they ever get to the church.