[_ Old Earth _] Did Jesus Die and Rise on the Third Day?

[Free]

lol I couldn't resist.

 

[Crying Rock]

So your an atheist that agrees with the ethical and moral teaching of a man named Jesus.

According to this board a Christian is:

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Does that describe you?

I don't think this board holds the exclusive power of determining who may and may not be identified as a Christian. What term would you use for someone who considers Christ's ethical teachings provide a sound basis for leading a life considerate of others, and yet doesn't believe in Christ's divinity?

A non-christian that agrees with Christ's moral teachings. Fair enough?

 

[lordkalvan]

I don't think this board holds the exclusive power of determining who may and may not be identified as a Christian. What term would you use for someone who considers Christ's ethical teachings provide a sound basis for leading a life considerate of others, and yet doesn't believe in Christ's divinity?

A non-christian that agrees with Christ's moral teachings. Fair enough?

Yes, but this is a rather cumbersome way of putting it. Christian-Atheist, Christian-Agnostic, Christian-Deist, etc seem crisper, less awkward ways of expressing it.

 

[Crying Rock]

I don't think this board holds the exclusive power of determining who may and may not be identified as a Christian. What term would you use for someone who considers Christ's ethical teachings provide a sound basis for leading a life considerate of others, and yet doesn't believe in Christ's divinity?

A non-christian that agrees with Christ's moral teachings. Fair enough?

Yes, but this is a rather cumbersome way of putting it. Christian-Atheist, Christian-Agnostic, Christian-Deist, etc seem crisper, less awkward ways of expressing it.

So not a Christian, but believe in the moral tenants of Christianity. Is that crisp enough?

 

[lordkalvan]

So not a Christian, but believe in the moral tenants of Christianity. Is that crisp enough?

Whatever makes you feel more comfortable. What's in a name, after all?

 

[Crying Rock]

So not a Christian, but believe in the moral tenants of Christianity. Is that crisp enough?

Whatever makes you feel more comfortable. What's in a name, after all?

A Christian, according the boards definition:

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So in the realm of this board, you're not a Christian.

Again, I wonder why you expend so much of your precious life on a board with it's basic tenants you don't even agree. Are you on a mission?

 

[lordkalvan]

Whatever makes you feel more comfortable. What's in a name, after all?

A Christian, according the boards definition:

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So in the realm of this board, you're not a Christian.

Again, I wonder why you expend so much of your precious life on a board with it's basic tenants you don't even agree. Are you on a mission?

The 'board' does not hold the power of the high, middle and low justice when it comes to determining who may and may not be described as a Christian. The board can define a Christian however it wants to; that it would not recognize a 'Christian-Atheist' or 'Christian-Agnostic' or even a 'Christian-Deist' as a 'true Scotsman' by its own narrow definition is not my problem. As to why I post, well let me repeat myself:

Why do Christians post on allegedly 'atheist' sites such as TalkRational? Don't you like considering and arguing against alternative viewpoints? Would you rather exchange views with only people who have exactly the same opinions as yourself?

Debate with people with differing ideas and viewpoints is stimulating, interesting and leads to developing knowledge and understanding and - perhaps - even a better awareness of where they are coming from and why.

 

[Crying Rock]

The 'board' does not hold the power of the high, middle and low justice when it comes to determining who may and may not be described as a Christian.

Sorry, but your engaging on a board that has set their standard for a Christian. If you don't like it, that's your choice. There are a lot of other boards out there. ;)

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[lordkalvan]

The 'board' does not hold the power of the high, middle and low justice when it comes to determining who may and may not be described as a Christian.

Sorry, but your engaging on a board that has set their standard for a Christian. If you don't like it, that's your choice. There are a lot of other boards out there. ;)

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Whether or not I 'like' or agree with the board's definition of what constitutes a Christian has no bearing on whether or not I consider posting on it worthwhile and interesting or not. I don't know why this concerns you so much. I have given you my best definition of my beliefs and I have told you why I post here. There are several posters who don't meet the board's definition of a Christian. Why don't you take them to task as well?

 

[Barbarian]

There are some boards that have simply banned atheists (and sometimes theists of the wrong kind). So anyone who thinks this board is poorly run has alternatives.

My experience is that board permitting a wide divergence of views (while banning blasphemy and outright abusive behavior on all sides) are the most successful. And I think that serves God well in the long run.

 

[Crying Rock]

There are some boards that have simply banned atheists (and sometimes theists of the wrong kind). So anyone who thinks this board is poorly run has alternatives.

My experience is that board permitting a wide divergence of views (while banning blasphemy and outright abusive behavior on all sides) are the most successful. And I think that serves God well in the long run.

I agree as long as the posters are honest about their beliefs. My concern is that that young Christians might mistake Lord Calvin's beliefs as Christian. His beliefs are atheist, guised as Christian. I don't see how this can be constructive.

For example, while I disagree with God utilizing evolution to accomplish his creation, this is not a deal breaker. The difference between you and LK is you agree that Jesus was God made incarnate. You agree that Jesus bore our sins on the cross and our sinfulness was imputed to Christ and Christ righteousness was imputed to those that accept his grace.

Are we in agreement upon these tenants?

 

[Barbarian]

I agree as long as the posters are honest about their beliefs. My concern is that that young Christians might mistake Lord Calvin's beliefs as Christian. His beliefs are atheist, guised as Christian. I don't see how this can be constructive.

I don't see that he hides it. He has concluded one can accept the ethical and philosophical ideas of Christianity while rejecting the Godhood of Christ. I don't agree with him on that, but he's made no attempt to hide what he believes.

 

[jasoncran]

I agree as long as the posters are honest about their beliefs. My concern is that that young Christians might mistake Lord Calvin's beliefs as Christian. His beliefs are atheist, guised as Christian. I don't see how this can be constructive.

I don't see that he hides it. He has concluded one can accept the ethical and philosophical ideas of Christianity while rejecting the Godhood of Christ. I don't agree with him on that, but he's made no attempt to hide what he believes.

he's never claimed to be a christian, like mr. barbarian says.

 

[Crying Rock]

Great!

I'm glad our young readers are aware of this.

 

[jasoncran]

that is because i asked him before.

 

[Crying Rock]

Great!

 

[jasoncran]

The 'board' does not hold the power of the high, middle and low justice when it comes to determining who may and may not be described as a Christian.

Sorry, but your engaging on a board that has set their standard for a Christian. If you don't like it, that's your choice. There are a lot of other boards out there. ;)

viewtopic.php?t=11740

Whether or not I 'like' or agree with the board's definition of what constitutes a Christian has no bearing on whether or not I consider posting on it worthwhile and interesting or not. I don't know why this concerns you so much. I have given you my best definition of my beliefs and I have told you why I post here. There are several posters who don't meet the board's definition of a Christian. Why don't you take them to task as well?

lord kalvan i agree that we should allow aethist or other faiths to post if they remain civil, this foster learning and it may lead the lost to salvation. you from what i have seen are the most polite here when it comes to aethist

 

[Crying Rock]

As long as posters claim, truthfully, what their belief system is.

 

[lordkalvan]

lord kalvan i agree that we should allow aethist or other faiths to post if they remain civil, this foster learning and it may lead the lost to salvation. you from what i have seen are the most polite here when it comes to aethist

Thanks, Jason!

 

[lordkalvan]

As long as posters claim, truthfully, what their belief system is.

As far as I am aware, I have never claimed otherwise; all I object to is others using 'no true Scotsman' arguments to pigeon-hole my beliefs according to their own exclusive definitions.