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Did Jesus Drink Fermented Wine ?

What I meant by figuratively drunk, was that they thought he was drunk, but didn't say he was drunk, they said he had a devil. They assumed !

The same kinds of assumptions that people assume that Jesus drank wine. This kind of thinking would have given their comments validity. He was drinking wine, so the possibility existed. The truth is, the possibility did not exist !

John was not drunk , nor did he have a devil !

Jesus was not drunk nor gluttonous either !

Both accounts were fabricated assumptions of certain individuals that were totally based upon their five senses and assumptions.

IN Christ - MM
 
Mysteryman said:
What I meant by figuratively drunk, was that they thought he was drunk, but didn't say he was drunk, they said he had a devil. They assumed !
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But, again, there is absolutely no mention that they thought John was drunk. You are assuming what their very thoughts were. Do you not see just how problematic that is?

Mysteryman said:
The same kinds of assumptions that people assume that Jesus drank wine. This kind of thinking would have given their comments validity. He was drinking wine, so the possibility existed. The truth is, the possibility did not exist !
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Once again, this makes no sense.
 
Free said:
Mysteryman said:
What I meant by figuratively drunk, was that they thought he was drunk, but didn't say he was drunk, they said he had a devil. They assumed !
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But, again, there is absolutely no mention that they thought John was drunk. You are assuming what their very thoughts were. Do you not see just how problematic that is?

Mysteryman said:
The same kinds of assumptions that people assume that Jesus drank wine. This kind of thinking would have given their comments validity. He was drinking wine, so the possibility existed. The truth is, the possibility did not exist !
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Once again, this makes no sense.
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Free

I said "figuratively", which means they came to a five senses conclusion based upon what they saw, so they "said" he had a devil. They didn't "say" he was drunk ! They said he had a devil, based upon what they "saw" with their eyes. It resembles being drunk and out of his mind. This is what "figuratively" means !

I "never" said that they thought he was drunk !

It was their visual of him having a devil since he was not drinking anything.

It was the final conclusion based upon the facts available to them. Fact - he was not drinking, but looked drunk.

False fact - they said since he was not drinking in their minds, they concluded that he had a devil
 
And their conclusion was not based upon his outward appearance. But his words spoken , is what gave them this impression. His words didn't make any sense to them. The words of a drunk, senseless !

So they declared among themselves that he had a devil
 
Mysteryman said:
But his words spoken , is what gave them this impression. His words didn't make any sense to them. The words of a drunk, senseless !
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Again, assumptions.

I won't deal with anything else since it makes little sense and has too many unsupported assumptions.

Mysteryman said:
It was their visual of him having a devil since he was not drinking anything.

It was the final conclusion based upon the facts available to them. Fact - he was not drinking, but looked drunk.
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This, however, finally brings me back to my original question: Do you think they knew what John wasn't drinking?

And this time, please don't answer with a question. A simple answer will do.
 
Free

The Word does not tell us what they knew. Did they know that he was not drinking ? I don't think that they "knew" if he was or wasn't .
 
There is no 100% clear answer if it is acceptable to drink any type of alcoholic drink at all but there are a few things that are true that maybe can help.

There are 3 words translated to wine in the Bible, i cannot remember them off the top of my head but nevertheless, one means fermented wine, one means fruit of the vine (grapejuice), and one can mean either.

Obviously there are versus in the Bible saying to not be overcome with drunkenness, where the word for fermented wine is used nearly everytime, but the other word that can mean fermented or not fermented is also used a few times. Now i would give verses for these but I have a test tomorrow and just taking a quick break from studying.

Since we know it is a sin to be drunk, then we know Jesus would not put the temptation out there for others. I bring this up because the Bible when Jesus converted the water to wine, would He put an obvious temptation out there that could cause many to easily sin, I think there is not a chance that he would do that. There are versus, that i need to find again cause i do not remember where they are and i dont want to misquote, that say something along the lines of not tempting one another, and i just cannot see someone who is all good putting temptations out there for others.

Now there is the verse that speaks about take some wine, i believe was the word, for your stomachs sake, which in this case the word for fermented wine was used, im pretty sure this is correct. And i have no problem if someone were to take it if it were to help them feel better.

Now there is no verse saying Jesus did drink wine, or that he did not drink wine. But to me, since it is said many times that it is a sin to be overcome with drunkenness, i do not want to take the chance, cause there is no real way of knowing where the line is on that. And if you were to be seen in public or something with an alcoholic drink, eventhough it may be just one, maybe they would think that "well he/she does it why cant I," which is another problem with that tempting verse i need to find. But for me i find it easier to just stay away from the stuff so i dont have to worry about it
 
Christians should be abstainers: Proof that "wine" often referred to non-alcoholic drinks

Wine Defined


"whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Prov. 20:1

Today we have a serious problem in our society with drinking alcoholic beverages. Unfortunately, it even seems to be a perplexing issue in the body of Christ. There is a great deal of ignorance (lack of knowledge) concerning this subject, as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures. For this reason, I have compiled the following truths in hopes of eradicating much of the misunderstanding and deception that prevails throughout this country and abroad. The

old saying "Tell a lie long enough, and everyone will eventually believe it" is true with a great number of Bible subjects, and the topic of wine is no exception.

In this compilation, I would like to prove that usage of the word "wine" does NOT always infer a fermented beverage. It is a generic word (meaning fermented or unfermented), not only in the old & new testaments, but also in the secular world. Let's begin by acknowledging just a few reputable sources. The following material is just a portion of a list which comes from F. R. Lees' work, The Bible Wine Question.




http://www.bible.ca/s-wine-alcohol.htm

Click on the link for more. It's really eye opening information.
 
ronniechoate34 wrote
Today we have a serious problem in our society with drinking alcoholic beverages
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There was a very big problem with alcoholism then too. This is not a knew thing.
 
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