Halal said:
Ok first of all the Word of God is NOT the word of God no matter the language. And you wanna know Why? becasue when something is translated from another language the translation is not EXACT and it can cause it to lose meaning, feeling, context whatever and this happens often which is why a quran written in english is not considered a quran but a translation od the quran. The example you gave was calling on God and this can be done in ANY language as its YOU who is speaking to God. if i wanted to take your exact post and translate it into say arabic a lot of words would be added, remitted, and rearrange thus it not being your exact word but a mear TRANSLSTION of it.
The word of God is the word of God in any language, my explanation is as follows (
I will be using myself as an example):
The original language of the New Testament is Greek (
some say Aramaic but it is widely believed to be the former)
If I could understand Greek and read the Lords prayer in Greek, it would be a translation but if I could understood Greek and understand the meanings behind those Greek words then my prayer would be exact because I would have the right meaning, feeling, and context, and even if it were not exact to the T then our Almighty God would see into our heart and know what we meant!
Plus a lot of Muslims (I would say a very large amount) can read Arabic symbols but do not understand the Arabic language, so there is no meaning, feeling, or context behind their words, the only thing left is their love for Allah in their hearts and their willingness to recite prayers they don’t understand
Halal said:
by the way i didnt ask you for the five pillars i just said i would be surprised if you could name them.
I apologise, yes, you didn’t ask me for the five pillars, but you did say you doubt I know them, when in fact I do. Plus you asked all the other Christians on this site to ignore me because you apparently know I’m a liar and supposedly went as far as to lie about myself and my ethnicity and former faith and you know now that I can at least prove my ethnicity and my birth-faith.
Halal said:
So yeah there is not much you can do to prove if you were a practicing muslim or not you know yourself better but just ask your self how many of those pillars you posted have you followed. how much if any of the quran have you memorized? have you read the quran? did you beleive in one God and that Mohamed was his messenger? awsnering these questions to yourself should awnser if you practiced or not and God knows best.
Your arrogance shocks me. I followed the three pillars that I could.
Zakat (almsgiving): I could not do that as I converted to Christianity as an adult and before then I had no money of my own, it was given to my mother (
my father is no longer with us)
Hajj (Pilgrimage): I did not do this as I would have done this later in my life like many other Muslims
I have memorised prayers but no, I haven’t memorised much of the Quran, and yes I have always believed in one God and did believe that Mohamed was his messenger
Halal said:
now talking about me talking about the punishment for people go back on faith. that punishment refers to how God will deal with you on the day of judgement. and He says in the Quran that the punnishment is severe.
Yes, but what you say &
what the Quran and Hadith say are different things.
Halal said:
and let me tell you logic does not tell you if something happens in one muslim community then it happens everywhere. that is a very naive way of looking at it. some culutures mix religon and culture together which could get mixed up with religon when in fact those practices were never even thought in islam. for example living under the taliban or in saudi arabia where they make the women were a viel over their face.
I said
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If this happens in my Muslim community then there will be many many Muslim communities which are alike.'' i know this wont happen in EVERY Muslim community.
You try to explain away my experience in a Muslim community with the reason that people are mixing their own cultures into Islam.
In the UK it is Bengali's and Pakistani's who make up the bulk of the Muslim population and it is them who I have know and mixed with all my life and in their culture (
in their original countries) they do not take kindly to Christians and especially Christian converts.
Halal said:
And another thing about Aisha she was not 8 when the marriage was consumated so get your fact straight. and i cant believe how hypocritical you can be about Mohamed (pbuh) and his wives. in this day and age any man could potentially have any number of wives they could want be just simply marrying divorcing and then remarrying.
No Halal, get your facts straight: I said she was nine when Mohammed had sexual relations with her and I said some people dispute this and think it may have been younger.
Halal said:
in this day and age especially in society it is socially accepted for men and women. so long as they are not married, to have sex as many times and with as many people as they like. im not sure if this is ok with christianity as i know many christians who do this but not sure if they pracitced or were devout or not.i mean just asking yourself if you are a virgin and if not do you feel regretful for not being chaste? im sure the opinions vary. so yeah men are allowed to jump from one women to another as if the world was some kind of big orgy. and by the time you do get married you really dont know how many other people your wife or husband has been with. atleast in islam it gives the women the rights of marriage and the men the rights of marriage so that neither feel used and abused after a particular break up or whatever. Islam prohibits premartial sex by the way.
Believe it or not, I am a virgin and I do not jump from one woman to another like it was some big orgy. And to me it sounds like your insinuating that Christian women are easy. In Christianity (just like in Islam) there is a varying amount of belief, some Christians will sleep with others before marriage and others will not (
just like many of my male and female Muslim ex-friends). Chastity is not unique to Islam
Christianity also gives men and women the rights of marriage, but you failed to mention that Muslim women do not have the right to divorce their husbands and the husband only needs to say 'Tallach' 3 times to divorce their wives. And even a non-believing sexually liberal person would find it hard to stray if he had four wives (
there would be no need for him to.)
Believe it or not, one of the excuses Muslims give for men being allowed four wives while women can only have one husband is:
If you had four bottles of milk and one was poured it into a cup you would not know which bottle the milk came from but if you have four cups and one bottle of milk you always know where the milk is from
Frankly, I find that disgusting and more disturbing than someone having one-night stands.
Halal said:
and also about him having 9 wives at the same time is also hypocriticial
No that isn’t hypocritical, I was just pointing out the reason for your error in believing Mohammed to of had only 9 wives when in fact it is estimated at 15.
Halal said:
let me add that in the bible several of the prophets mentioned had a very huge number of concubines especially David and Solomn. And how about the prophet Lut who according to the bible was seduced and had sex with both of his daughters. will you now brand him calling him evil and not follow the God that commanded him?
Actually, he was not seduced, he was drunk and almost unconscious, and no, I am a Christian and as a Christian I follow Christ’s example (
while you as a Muslim follow Mohammad as an example.)
Halal said:
And as a side note dont refer to the messenger of God as a paedophile. i know people who are atheists and wouldnt even do that. so whether you beleive in him or not it would be better for you to bite your tongue.
It would be better for me to bite my tongue? Please don’t threaten me, especially when it would be pointless.
Regarding me calling Mohammed a Paedophile. I cannot see what it is I have done wrong here, because I did not call him one of the million words out there used to insult people who find children sexually attractive: I used the medical term found in dictionaries:
pedophilia /pe·do·phil·ia/ (-fil´e-ah)
a paraphilia in which an adult has recurrent, intense sexual urges or sexually arousing fantasies of engaging or repeatedly engages in sexual activity with a prepubertal child.pedophil´ic
n.
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.
pedo·phile (-fl) n.
pedo·phili·ac (-fl-k) adj. & n.
Let me put it simply:
CHILD + OLD MAN + SEXUAL INTERCOURSE = PAEDOPHILE
To conclude, I will say to you that I will not be discussing my post any further as we have both said our piece so let whoever reads decide.
And before you start throwing hollow threats and accusations of lies around: remember that this is a Christian site, you don’t see me going to a Muslim forum and accusing them of lies. Goodbye
God Bless
