Discard Medieval Concepts of Heaven and Earth for the Scriptural Meta-Universe

[Alfred Persson]

Meta-Universe: “A ‘universe of universes’; an assembly of universes, considered as a whole.”-Oxford English Dictionary.
The multiverse is a hypothetical group of multiple universes. Together, these universes comprise everything that exists: the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, information, and the physical laws and constants that describe them. The different universes within the multiverse are called “parallel universes,” “other universes,” “alternate universes,” or “many worlds.”-Wikipedia

The nature of reality is best described as "energy": “Virtual energy and virtual particles oscillating back and forth create the illusion of mass. It’s really virtual mass.”-Andy Fletcher, Quora

We live in a Matrix, a simulation generated by the Infinite Mind of God.

God creates and sustains our Matrix

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Gen. 1:1 KJV)

Infinite Almighty God had the thought, and in the Word of God Jesus Christ, God’s Thought was Verbalized, it became concrete reality:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (Jn. 1:1-3 NKJ)

and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. (Col. 1:17 ASV)

27 “so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, `For we are also His offspring.’ (Acts 17:27-28 NKJ)

The meta-universe consists of two “parallel universes” that share the same space and time but are separated by a thin dimensional barrier.

The “complete” teleios is the “heavenly realm” of angels and spirits where the revelation of God is not veiled, and the “partial” meros is the “earthly realm” of men lacking dimensions of God’s revelation.

For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete (5046 τέλειος teleios) comes, the partial (3313 μέρος meros) will come to an end (” (2673 καταργέω katargeo). (1 Cor. 13:9-10 NRS)

When the “complete” TELEIOS comes, the “partial” shall “come to an end”. It will be “done away” (2673 καταργέω katargeo) with a great noise, dissolved (3089 λύω luo) with great heat and no longer exist as though consumed (2618 κατακαίω katakaio) by fire (2 Pet. 3:10-11):

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved (3089 λύω luo) with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up (2618 κατακαίω katakaio).
11 Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved (3089 λύω luo), what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy living and godliness, (2 Pet. 3:10-11 ASV)

From the Resurrection appearances and transfiguration of Christ we know the multiverse is in the same time and space, but separated by a thin dimensional barrier. That is illustrated by Christ’s resurrection appearances, He did not pass through the door or walls, He simply went through a dimensional portal and “stood in their midst” (ἔστη ἐν μέσῳ αὐτῶν (Lk. 24:36; John 20:19, 26). Likewise, when the “kingdom was present” (Mk. 9:1) the missing dimensions of revelation peaked through (comp. John 18:6) the realms (Mk. 9:2-4):

1 And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.”
2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.
3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
4 And Elijah appeared (3700 ὀπτάνομαι optanomai) to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. (Mk. 9:1-4 NKJ)

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[Who Me]

We live in a Matrix, a simulation generated by the Infinite Mind of God.

If one believes the bible, then God created a literal real universe with energy, matter, time etc etc.
Our lives are not play things of God, Jesus's encarnation was not unreal but real.
God contracted to a span, incomprehessible became man.
His sufferings were real.

When we get to heaven we will not be part of a simulation, but partakers in the ultimate reality.

 

[Alfred Persson]

If one believes the bible, then God created a literal real universe with energy, matter, time etc etc.
Our lives are not play things of God, Jesus's encarnation was not unreal but real.
God contracted to a span, incomprehessible became man.
His sufferings were real.

When we get to heaven we will not be part of a simulation, but partakers in the ultimate reality.

I do believe the Bible. I cited the scripture proving ancient concepts of reality are WRONG.

The Bible is right and modern physics is now beginning to get it right also.

I also our Matrix is "concrete reality", God's not playing games.

 

[Who Me]

I also our Matrix is "concrete reality"

The 'matrix' sci fi film was about a created unreal world. The creation we live in is real, not part of Gods thoughts.

By using ' matrix' you are biasing your arguement towards an artifical unreal world.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The 'matrix' sci fi film was about a created unreal world. The creation we live in is real, not part of Gods thoughts.

By using ' matrix' you are biasing your arguement towards an artifical unreal world.

No, its analogous. Scripture is clear, the multiverse is a thought His infinite mind "holds together"

NKJ Colossians 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

NIV Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

CEB Colossians 1:17 He existed before all things, and all things are held together in him.

"for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said,`For we are also His offspring.' (Acts 17:28 NKJ)

Makes no sense to disbelieve the Bible and modern physics, to cling to disproven concepts of reality.

Especially when the fact God's mind generates all the "intelligent design" we see in all life, also renders any possibility of evolution impossible. And it testifies to the infinitude of Almighty God the Creator.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, (Rom. 1:18-20 NKJ)


Consider how infinite and almighty God must be, to generate our matrix in all its micro and macro greatness!

All previous concepts of God look small in comparison, limited.

Then one realizes why God took 6 days to create, He was savoring every millisecond, going as slow as He possibly could to enjoy the process perfectly. And like after a "perfect meal", He rested enjoying it all:

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Exod. 20:11 NKJ)

He could have created all things "in an instant of time" if He wanted to---that conclusion logically follows from the magnitude and glory of His creation.

 

[Who Me]

Makes no sense to disbelieve the Bible and modern physics, to cling to disproven concepts of reality.

The multiverse is a mathmatical idea that canot be demonstrated to be true, so is irrelevent.

Yes all of creation was planned, thought through in Gods mind prior to creation, but in creation what was thought became real energy, matter etc etc.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The multiverse is a mathmatical idea that canot be demonstrated to be true, so is irrelevent.

Yes all of creation was planned, thought through in Gods mind prior to creation, but in creation what was thought became real energy, matter etc etc.

According to Paul we still are a thought in the Mind of God:

17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist (4921 συνιστάω συνίστημι). (Col. 1:17 NKJ)

Meaning: 1) to place together, to set in the same place,to bring or band together 1a) to stand with (or near) 2) to set one with another 2a) by way of presenting or introducing him 2b) to comprehend 3) to put together by way of composition or combination, to teach by combining and comparing 3a) to show, prove, establish, exhibit 4) to put together, unite parts into one whole 4a) to be composed of, consist.-Strong's Concordance


28 "for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said,`For we are also His offspring.' (Acts 17:28 NKJ)

 

[Who Me]

According to Paul we still are a thought in the Mind of God:

17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist (4921 συνιστάω συνίστημι). (Col. 1:17 NKJ)

Meaning: 1) to place together, to set in the same place,to bring or band together 1a) to stand with (or near) 2) to set one with another 2a) by way of presenting or introducing him 2b) to comprehend 3) to put together by way of composition or combination, to teach by combining and comparing 3a) to show, prove, establish, exhibit 4) to put together, unite parts into one whole 4a) to be composed of, consist.-Strong's Concordance


28 "for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said,`For we are also His offspring.' (Acts 17:28 NKJ)

Meaning (1) to place together, set in the same place. is not an imaginary thing but a real thing.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Meaning (1) to place together, set in the same place. is not an imaginary thing but a real thing.

I said we and all that exists is a "concrete reality", not an illusion.

But we are talking what is "analogous" because NOTHING can be creation but creation itself:


"In Him" all things are "held together"

NIV Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

CEB Colossians 1:17 He existed before all things, and all things are held together in him.

NLT Colossians 1:17 He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.

God's thought and power "holds all creation together", closest analogy would be "a thought by the Mind " or "matrix" like in the movie.

So I am NOT saying this "is a Matrix", I'm saying its real but "like a Matrix", everything exists in the Infinite Mind of God. That is "mind blowing" as it were, whatever concept you had of God, He is far greater, Infinite and Almighty is His Power and Intellectual Capacity.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Meaning (1) to place together, set in the same place. is not an imaginary thing but a real thing.

In other words, when we read the "sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up" the literal sense is the most "elegant", that is, most parsimonious = most in conformity with the facts of God and reality:

Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (Rev. 6:14 NKJ

The sight is so terrifying, the glory of God lighting up our darkness---causing the wicked to flee for their lives:

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-7:1 NKJ)

Its literal, not figurative. That is the interpretation most in accord with the Facts of God's infinitude and Almighty power, and our concrete reality, which God can change with "but a thought in an instant of time"

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, (2 Pet. 3:10-11 NKJ)

 

[Who Me]

In other words, when we read the "sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up" the literal sense is the most "elegant", that is, most parsimonious = most in conformity with the facts of God and reality:

Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (Rev. 6:14 NKJ

The sight is so terrifying, the glory of God lighting up our darkness---causing the wicked to flee for their lives:

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-7:1 NKJ)

Its literal, not figurative. That is the interpretation most in accord with the Facts of God's infinitude and Almighty power, and our concrete reality, which God can change with "but a thought in an instant of time"

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, (2 Pet. 3:10-11 NKJ)

Revelation is a book of word pictures discribing in familiar terms that which wehave not seen or experienced.

When Jesus returns ' Every eye will see him ', every person alive on earth will see Jesus decending, a 3d world/globe will somehow become a 'flat earth' so those in Australia can see Jesus in the sky.


We don't distort scripture to fit our ideas, our ideas have to fit with scripture. Of course your ideas are totally different from mine !

 

[Alfred Persson]

Revelation is a book of word pictures discribing in familiar terms that which wehave not seen or experienced.

When Jesus returns ' Every eye will see him ', every person alive on earth will see Jesus decending, a 3d world/globe will somehow become a 'flat earth' so those in Australia can see Jesus in the sky.


We don't distort scripture to fit our ideas, our ideas have to fit with scripture. Of course your ideas are totally different from mine !

Its not me distorting.

I'm believing scripture as written, you are not.

 

[Edward]

The 'matrix' sci fi film was about a created unreal world. The creation we live in is real, not part of Gods thoughts.

By using ' matrix' you are biasing your arguement towards an artifical unreal world.

No. The Matrix was a movie. This is a real thing that God is doing and it's very much a digital simulation projection.

See Scientific American Magazine June 2005

Our scientists now know this to be true. A quote from the article...we now know that our Universe is but a shadow of a larger reality.../ (And that's what the Bible has been saying all along!)

 

[Edward]

The multiverse is a mathmatical idea that canot be demonstrated to be true, so is irrelevent.

Yes all of creation was planned, thought through in Gods mind prior to creation, but in creation what was thought became real energy, matter etc etc.

My understanding is that, mathmatically they can prove the existance of at least 11 dimensions. Four of them are knowable to us (Length/width/height/time) and 7 are not directly knowable but are somehow provable and scientiffically inferable.

And I think how they proved that it's all a projection sort of, iirc, was, see the table beside you? Reach out and knock on it. It is solid, right? Now understand it's construction and how it is made.

The wood is made up of molecules and atoms. Carbon or wood/whatever. If you zoom in on an Atom, which are the building bloxks of life), you will see a nucleus center with negative electrons orbiting around the nucleus. ok? All of this is microscopic but if you were to upsize an atom to some scale size, the distances involved between the electrons and the nucleus become so great that...it becomes safe to make the statement that, it is mostly empty space. There is more empty space than there is electron or protons by a fantastic margin. So our reality is that, the table beside you is more non solid than it is solid.

Physics are being rewritten every day lately. With all their newest technologies, our learning capacity for discovery is making geometrical multiplications and speeding up!

I know. I can hear it. (Oh yeah so how can i reach out and knock on it then? Ha!) The thing that makes it feel solid to us, is our mind and thoughts. The last I heard is that they suspect that when you get up and leave the room, that the room no longer exists. Nothing is there. But when you return to the room, your mind is expecting a table to be in there, and your cup of coffee and car keys or whatever, so it manifests because of the expectation of your mind or observation. Their conclusion being, that the only true substance that we really have here on earth, is our thoughts. And that's sorta what scripture says too, don't it?! Think on these things/take other thoughts captive/ life and death in the tongue/by our words we'll be justified or condemned...and on and on.

Neo wasn't really dancing with Trinity in a nightclub, he was back hooked up to the Matrix, remember?
And we are as scripture says...now seated in Heavenly places with Christ!

The Matrix was a cheap copy of what God is doing. Just like they tru to steal everything else God has. They did NOT get the rainbow. They're lying! Lol. Remember Avatar? The people would lay on some table and get hooked in with the machine and when they turn it on, the guy wakes up somewhere else in someone elses body!

And God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man woke up with no memory of where he came from and was in a strange body. Sound similar? I mean, are you seated in Heavenly places with Christ right now? I believe I am. I believe you are too.

So try not to let the material world blind you to the spiritual world. (It is the world which has been pulled over your eyes-Matrix)...(Look to the unseen world-Bible). (Come out her my people!-Bible)

Chuck Missler went through a series all on this stuff and was all over that Bible! What we sow (in our mind!) we reap. What we speak shall be done and manifest. We have to watch our mouth and thoughts.

 

[Alfred Persson]

My understanding is that, mathmatically they can prove the existance of at least 11 dimensions. Four of them are knowable to us (Length/width/height/time) and 7 are not directly knowable but are somehow provable and scientiffically inferable.

And I think how they proved that it's all a projection sort of, iirc, was, see the table beside you? Reach out and knock on it. It is solid, right? Now understand it's construction and how it is made.

The wood is made up of molecules and atoms. Carbon or wood/whatever. If you zoom in on an Atom, which are the building bloxks of life), you will see a nucleus center with negative electrons orbiting around the nucleus. ok? All of this is microscopic but if you were to upsize an atom to some scale size, the distances involved between the electrons and the nucleus become so great that...it becomes safe to make the statement that, it is mostly empty space. There is more empty space than there is electron or protons by a fantastic margin. So our reality is that, the table beside you is more non solid than it is solid.

Physics are being rewritten every day lately. With all their newest technologies, our learning capacity for discovery is making geometrical multiplications and speeding up!

I know. I can hear it. (Oh yeah so how can i reach out and knock on it then? Ha!) The thing that makes it feel solid to us, is our mind and thoughts. The last I heard is that they suspect that when you get up and leave the room, that the room no longer exists. Nothing is there. But when you return to the room, your mind is expecting a table to be in there, and your cup of coffee and car keys or whatever, so it manifests because of the expectation of your mind or observation. Their conclusion being, that the only true substance that we really have here on earth, is our thoughts. And that's sorta what scripture says too, don't it?! Think on these things/take other thoughts captive/ life and death in the tongue/by our words we'll be justified or condemned...and on and on.

Neo wasn't really dancing with Trinity in a nightclub, he was back hooked up to the Matrix, remember?
And we are as scripture says...now seated in Heavenly places with Christ!

The Matrix was a cheap copy of what God is doing. Just like they tru to steal everything else God has. They did NOT get the rainbow. They're lying! Lol. Remember Avatar? The people would lay on some table and get hooked in with the machine and when they turn it on, the guy wakes up somewhere else in someone elses body!

And God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man woke up with no memory of where he came from and was in a strange body. Sound similar? I mean, are you seated in Heavenly places with Christ right now? I believe I am. I believe you are too.

So try not to let the material world blind you to the spiritual world. (It is the world which has been pulled over your eyes-Matrix)...(Look to the unseen world-Bible). (Come out her my people!-Bible)

Chuck Missler went through a series all on this stuff and was all over that Bible! What we sow (in our mind!) we reap. What we speak shall be done and manifest. We have to watch our mouth and thoughts.

I understand what he is reacting against, I reacted the same way. Even to this day I maintain our reality is as "concrete real" as real can be. But as you point out, the old concepts about "solid" and "matter" were wrong. Everything is space, and energy. The Bible has had it right all along, we just didn't know it until recent discoveries in the micro realm.

 

[Edward]

Revelation is a book of word pictures discribing in familiar terms that which wehave not seen or experienced.

When Jesus returns ' Every eye will see him ', every person alive on earth will see Jesus decending, a 3d world/globe will somehow become a 'flat earth' so those in Australia can see Jesus in the sky.


We don't distort scripture to fit our ideas, our ideas have to fit with scripture. Of course your ideas are totally different from mine !

Right. But God said knowledge will be incrased in the last days. Um, there's no denying that a huge jump in knowledge has taken place recently, and continues to take place as we speak. So some of this is going to be new...and true. Lord let us not be deceived!

But anyway, I have heard it suggested that this may in fact be a technology statement in the Bible. God has given mankind technology to help us and we know this this because all good things come from God. Right?! And we also know that the earth isn't really flat, and you know how we know?! Easy. I can't count how many testimonies that I have heard where people have told about being taken up in spirit, above the earth, and, for various reasons and purpose. And not one singl person who I have ever heard give witness to being above the earth....ever said it was flat! That would be a sort of big thing that people would naturally take note of I think. Someone would have mentioned it. So it's not really flat, and that's the truth.

So that means that the only way that every eye could see Him, or, when you see the abomination of desolation run for the hills...that it's a tecnolgy statement we have cameras, we have internet. How can wee see inside the temple (that the dummies WILL build) to see this take place? Answer: Internet. Who here thinks that Jesus isn't using the internet for His purposes?! Jesus is all over the internet! The enemy is there too so it's not like the internet is holy, just that Jesus does use the internet. Need proof? So what's your question? Did the enemy of God create this Godly forum?

 

[Free]

I do believe the Bible. I cited the scripture proving ancient concepts of reality are WRONG.

What are these "ancient concepts of reality"?

 

[Alfred Persson]

What are these "ancient concepts of reality"?

 

[Free]

Okay, so not ancient, and "I cited the scripture proving ancient concepts of reality are WRONG," is just not true.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Okay, so not ancient, and "I cited the scripture proving ancient concepts of reality are WRONG," is just not true.

"Ancient non-Christian concepts" are wrong, Christians always believed God is Omnipresent and all things exist in Him. They were and remain---right.

And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Col. 1:17 NKJ)