Discard Medieval Concepts of Heaven and Earth for the Scriptural Meta-Universe

[Edward]

That's it. It's all about energy, frequency, and vibration. Scientists are still hesitant to call it God, but scripture says that through Jesus all things are sustained and held together. So this is Jesus's power. It's not elctromagnetism, that's just how man refers to it. But it is God. And God is love, right? so love will keep things together. At the very least, we can say that electromagnetism is an aspect of, love.

Are you familiar with the double slit experiement?

 

[Free]

"Ancient non-Christian concepts" are wrong,

Again, what "ancient non-Christian concepts"? Electromagnetism is not ancient.

Christians always believed God is Omnipresent and all things exist in Him. They were and remain---right.

And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Col. 1:17 NKJ)

Of course, but it does not follow that physics is wrong or that much of what we understand is wrong. That's not to say that we don't have a lot to learn, because we do.

 

[Edward]

This one explains why when you look at your table or touch it that it's solid but when you're out of the room and there is no eye to see, then the wave funcion goes live and...it's gone. (sic).

They are figuring this stuff out. Oh, they wont ascribe it to God, but it is. They'll never find the God particle because they don't want to. But that don't mean it is not true.

So who do we believe now? The scientists or the Bible?
Because their sort of kind of saying the same things in different ways, lol.
The Aliens will try to take credit for it, Lol!

 

[Edward]

Again, what "ancient non-Christian concepts"? Electromagnetism is not ancient.

I think that means all of those old Greek guys wouldn't it? Wasn't ancient Greece s'posed to be some kind of center of knowledge of the world there or something?

 

[Edward]

Of course, but it does not follow that physics is wrong or that much of what we understand is wrong. That's not to say that we don't have a lot to learn, because we do.

You are a wee bit wrong on some of that. They are proving certain old theories to be absolutely wrong and it is presently turning the physics world completely over. All the books will have to be re-written.

Like one thing for instance. They taught us in school that the universe is infinite. That is a long standing physics fact held for a long time.

It's not true and we have proven it. Infinity goes both ways. Bigger and smaller. If you have a thread in an infinite universe then, conceptually, you can cut it in half and then take either halk and cut it in half and you can conceptually continue to keep cutting it in half. But that's not true. Because there is a stated number that was given and I read it before but just cant remember what the exact number was, but at a certain measurement size when cutting it down...I think it's like 42 to the 80 millionth squared or whatever, but after it gets so small then it loses what the call, Locality. It is simply not there to cut again, and no trash can be seen on the scope! It's just gone!
This establishes that we live in an absolutely finite universe. It is finite on both ends, the small side and the big side. But we're not advanced enough yet to visit the outer limits of the big side, lol yet.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Again, what "ancient non-Christian concepts"? Electromagnetism is not ancient.


Of course, but it does not follow that physics is wrong or that much of what we understand is wrong. That's not to say that we don't have a lot to learn, because we do.

That matter is solid.

 

[Alfred Persson]

That's it. It's all about energy, frequency, and vibration. Scientists are still hesitant to call it God, but scripture says that through Jesus all things are sustained and held together. So this is Jesus's power. It's not elctromagnetism, that's just how man refers to it. But it is God. And God is love, right? so love will keep things together. At the very least, we can say that electromagnetism is an aspect of, love.

Are you familiar with the double slit experiement?

Yes and I agree in God every thing is held together, as I said in the OP.

 

[Alfred Persson]

This one explains why when you look at your table or touch it that it's solid but when you're out of the room and there is no eye to see, then the wave funcion goes live and...it's gone. (sic).

They are figuring this stuff out. Oh, they wont ascribe it to God, but it is. They'll never find the God particle because they don't want to. But that don't mean it is not true.

So who do we believe now? The scientists or the Bible?
Because their sort of kind of saying the same things in different ways, lol.
The Aliens will try to take credit for it, Lol!

I question that premise, we all see the same moon sun stars etc. As God is the ultimate "observer" I would propose that is the reason why we see the same things.

In other words, i don't believe things revert to a wave function when I'm not looking at it. Everything exist in God and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:17

Its true things change when they measure the micro quantum world, but last I heard that doesn't change the macro world at all.

 

[Edward]

In other words, i don't believe things revert to a wave function when I'm not looking at it. Everything exist in God and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:17

Its true things change when they measure the micro quantum world, but last I heard that doesn't change the macro world at all.

I think what it comes down to is, that wave function and how it reverts back and forth is actually just a way of describing the spookiness which takes place in a language that's easy to understand. Even with what they know now...their still only scratching the surface of the truth.

But us Christians have the right book of truth. Science wont ever prove the Bible, but the Bible sure proves science. And that's no coincidence, lol.

 

[Free]

This one explains why when you look at your table or touch it that it's solid but when you're out of the room and there is no eye to see, then the wave funcion goes live and...it's gone. (sic).

It's nonsense, likely from people who are trying to make a name for themselves. If I put a piece of food in my mouth, I'm no longer looking at it, but it's there. It then gets digested and I receive actual nutrients from it.

They are figuring this stuff out. Oh, they wont ascribe it to God, but it is. They'll never find the God particle because they don't want to. But that don't mean it is not true.

The "God particle"? Really?

 

[Free]

That matter is solid.

For all intents and purposes, matter can be solid enough that it is silly to say the ancients were wrong. Solid bronze and iron and steel still killed a lot of people in ancient times.

But did they really make the claim that all matter was solid? Do you think they did not understand that some matter is liquid? They may not have had much of an understanding of gas, but it seems they must have had some understanding since the Bible mentions vapor.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I think what it comes down to is, that wave function and how it reverts back and forth is actually just a way of describing the spookiness which takes place in a language that's easy to understand. Even with what they know now...their still only scratching the surface of the truth.

But us Christians have the right book of truth. Science wont ever prove the Bible, but the Bible sure proves science. And that's no coincidence, lol.

The legal historical evidence proving the Bible true is overwhelming. I trust scripture alone, everything else I question.

 

[Alfred Persson]

For all intents and purposes, matter can be solid enough that it is silly to say the ancients were wrong. Solid bronze and iron and steel still killed a lot of people in ancient times.

But did they really make the claim that all matter was solid? Do you think they did not understand that some matter is liquid? They may not have had much of an understanding of gas, but it seems they must have had some understanding since the Bible mentions vapor.

They were wrong, and so are you. Its time to update your idea of reality: When you clap your hands, they aren't really touching flesh.

Dives went to hell when he died. It fits. Without the electromagnetism of a body to keep Dives above ground, gravity (which seems to affect everything) would pull his soul down. We know its hot down there. Angels came and got Lazarus before it was too late.

Seriously, the floor you stand on is not solid, its space and energy. The ancients didn't know that. For all intents and purposes. "Solid enough" is not solid.

 

[Free]

They were wrong, and so are you. Its time to update your idea of reality: When you clap your hands, they aren't really touching flesh.

No.

Dives went to hell when he died. It fits. Without the electromagnetism of a body to keep Dives above ground, gravity (which seems to affect everything) would pull his soul down. We know its hot down there. Angels came and got Lazarus before it was too late.

What? Who is Dives?

Seriously, the floor you stand on is not solid, its space and energy. The ancients didn't know that. For all intents and purposes. "Solid enough" is not solid.

For all intents and purposes, solid is solid enough.

This thread doesn’t belong in Theology. There is nothing biblical here. I will no longer follow the is thread, so I won’t respond further.

 

[Free]

One last post. You can’t claim that the Bible is right and the ancients were wrong when Paul and the writer of Hebrews both spoke of “solid food” as though it actually exists (1 Cor 3:2; Heb 5:12,14). If “solid” isn’t “solid enough,” then these verses don’t make sense and don’t teach truth.

 

[Edward]

It's nonsense, likely from people who are trying to make a name for themselves. If I put a piece of food in my mouth, I'm no longer looking at it, but it's there. It then gets digested and I receive actual nutrients from it.

No man, your flesh body knows that it just ate some food so it's expecting to feel satiated and be able to digest it for fuel for the flesh body.

If you ever read your Bible, you would discover that one of our missions in life, is to overcome the flesh by not walking by sight but walking in faith in the unseen, which is our Lord and the only way to evolve spiritually and grow the seed planted with in us into a fruitful tree which is pleasing and profitable to our Lord.

The "God particle"? Really?

No man not really, I was speaking very loosely there with that word. Don't try to hang too much on it.

 

[Free]

No man, your flesh body knows that it just ate some food so it's expecting to feel satiated and be able to digest it for fuel for the flesh body.

Exactly. That’s why the idea an object would disappear if no one was looking at it is nonsense.

If you ever read your Bible, you would discover that one of our missions in life, is to overcome the flesh by not walking by sight but walking in faith in the unseen, which is our Lord and the only way to evolve spiritually and grow the seed planted with in us into a fruitful tree which is pleasing and profitable to our Lord.

This is why I had to post in here again—such poor theology needs to be addressed. What you’re essentially promoting is Gnosticism—bodily flesh is bad, spirit is good. When the Bible says we are to walk by the Spirit and not the flesh, “flesh” has nothing to do with the body; it is a reference to the sinful nature.

 

[Edward]

Exactly. That’s why the idea an object would disappear if no one was looking at it is nonsense.

The effects of observation upon matter is only one aspect of things that will effect it. There is a wee bit more to it than only mere observation. Nevertheless, believe what you want to.

This is why I had to post in here again—such poor theology needs to be addressed. What you’re essentially promoting is Gnosticism—bodily flesh is bad, spirit is good. When the Bible says we are to walk by the Spirit and not the flesh, “flesh” has nothing to do with the body; it is a reference to the sinful nature.

Who are you to address my theology? You don't even have a theology! I have never given any indications that I think I am never wrong or I have all answers.

And don't you dare try to tell me what I believe and don't put words in my mouth.

But hey! Free has proved the double slit experiements wrong cuz he took a bite of toast and it didn't disappear when he could no longer see it! Yay! Oh I'm So enlightened today!

 

[Alfred Persson]

Exactly. That’s why the idea an object would disappear if no one was looking at it is nonsense.


This is why I had to post in here again—such poor theology needs to be addressed. What you’re essentially promoting is Gnosticism—bodily flesh is bad, spirit is good. When the Bible says we are to walk by the Spirit and not the flesh, “flesh” has nothing to do with the body; it is a reference to the sinful nature.

No, he isn't. You confuse two VERY different things. Gnosticism is not Quantum physics, the cosmology isn't remotely similar. But I confess, my first reaction to Quantum Physics was to confuse it also, mistake it for a form of gnosticism.

But that's like saying the blue sky and blue ocean are the same thing.

 

[Free]

No, he isn't. You confuse two VERY different things. Gnosticism is not Quantum physics, the cosmology isn't remotely similar. But I confess, my first reaction to Quantum Physics was to confuse it also, mistake it for a form of gnosticism.

But that's like saying the blue sky and blue ocean are the same thing.

Perhaps it’s best you stick to your own discussions as you completely failed to understand my post.