Discordianism (what are your views on it ? _ )

[SpagLard]

My ex-BF was heavily involved in a Discordian Squared Circle.

I never could make much sense of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

By no means an extensive introduction ^ .

Have you ever heard of this "Discordianism " and what do you make of it ?

 

[Cobblers Apprentice]

Well SpagLard, I would have to say that to form a view on something one would have to understand it, and reading through the various bits and pieces on the link you provided I must admit to almost complete incomprehension.....

In fact, it all read more like a Monty Python script, but without the laughs, despite a mention of "subversive humour". One thing I did pick up on though was the idea of seeking to prevent the beliefs becoming dogmatic, which bought to mind a zen story on "Finding a Piece of the Truth"

One day Mara, the Evil One, was travelling through the villages of India with his attendants. he saw a man doing walking meditation whose face was lit up on wonder. The man had just discovered something on the ground in front of him. Mara’s attendant asked what that was and Mara replied, “A piece of truth.â€

“Doesn’t this bother you when someone finds a piece of truth, O Evil One?†his attendant asked. “No,†Mara replied. “Right after this, they usually make a belief out of it.â€

Maybe if all religions could learn the trick of preventing dogmatism - or what perhaps could be called "the letter of the law" - then there may well have been more peace between the various faiths.

And a final word, concerning the small hint that much of this could be likened to "zen". I would just say that traditionally, and historically, those who sought to become zen monks would spend many years in the monastery doing the most menial of tasks and studying the various Scriptures before they got near the "master" and his various enigmatic sayings. It seems that with Discordianism one can start straight away with the enigmatic, thus opening the way to pure human stupidity.

All the best

 

[taikina]

the way i see it, discordianism is self-parody and a satire of religion. it embraces dogma, it makes into dogma the common realization that we are all at odds with eachother no matter how similiar our beliefs might get, all the while ironically denying dogma. it's kind of a joke atheists and the like throw around "im a pope of discordia lol"

if you try to be a serious discordian, you are a total tool.

 

[thightower]

I would classify it as a false religon. 1 John 4;1-3 backs this up, if it does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh from God, it is a false religon.

 

[Cobblers Apprentice]

I would classify it as a false religon. 1 John 4;1-3 backs this up, if it does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh from God, it is a false religon.

Hi thightower, as I understand it the text you quote is an "in-house" text, by which I mean it was concerned with countering docetism. Docetism was the claim made by some in the nascent Christian Church that Christ only appeared to have a fully human body, but was in fact more a phantasm - in fact, a Gnostic claim.

So the historical context is more......those claiming to be Christians and that they have the spirit who yet claim that Christ was not fully human, are speaking with a false spirit.

The context is not.........any belief system that does not speak of the Living Word, Christ, as having come in the flesh, is ipso facto a false belief system.

I say this not to be contentious, but simply for the sake of the need in our world for genuine Inter-Faith dialogue.

All the best

 

[thightower]

I see your point. But the bible teaches if anyone doesn't preach Jesus in the flesh from God, Crucified and Resurrected, it is a false religion not from God.

 

[Cobblers Apprentice]

I see your point. But the bible teaches if anyone doesn't preach Jesus in the flesh from God, Crucified and Resurrected, it is a false religion not from God.

Such is your interpretation. I would only suggest that if you "see my point" then such a point invalidates such a claim. At least, such would be the view and understanding of many devout Christians who have moved on from the position you seek to uphold.

Fortunately, since Vatican 11, even the Catholic Church is broadening its horizons and having the bravery and faith to actually ask new questions.

All the best

 

[taikina]

I would classify it as a false religon. 1 John 4;1-3 backs this up, if it does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh from God, it is a false religon.

Hi thightower, as I understand it the text you quote is an "in-house" text, by which I mean it was concerned with countering docetism. Docetism was the claim made by some in the nascent Christian Church that Christ only appeared to have a fully human body, but was in fact more a phantasm - in fact, a Gnostic claim.

So the historical context is more......those claiming to be Christians and that they have the spirit who yet claim that Christ was not fully human, are speaking with a false spirit.

The context is not.........any belief system that does not speak of the Living Word, Christ, as having come in the flesh, is ipso facto a false belief system.

I say this not to be contentious, but simply for the sake of the need in our world for genuine Inter-Faith dialogue.

All the best

I see your point. But the bible teaches if anyone doesn't preach Jesus in the flesh from God, Crucified and Resurrected, it is a false religion not from God.

Such is your interpretation. I would only suggest that if you "see my point" then such a point invalidates such a claim. At least, such would be the view and understanding of many devout Christians who have moved on from the position you seek to uphold.

Fortunately, since Vatican 11, even the Catholic Church is broadening its horizons and having the bravery and faith to actually ask new questions.

All the best

this is discordianism

 

[thightower]

Just ready for Jesus to take his throne on earth, so we all will know the the truth once and for all.

 

[tim-from-pa]

My ex-BF was heavily involved in a Discordian Squared Circle.

I never could make much sense of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

By no means an extensive introduction ^ .

Have you ever heard of this "Discordianism " and what do you make of it ?

I can see why you can't make much sense of it, as you are a logical person who can deduce things very well (if that says anything about the antithetical nature of this belief system).

From the link you gave, the word most often popping up is "parody". I'm just as confused as you are as to what it truly stands for because I don't think it stands for anything. I get the distinct impression of humorous and prankish challenges to other belief systems without regarding anything of itself (I guess that's a defence mechanism in and of itself so it can't be counter-judged, but that's my opinion based on my impression I get reading about it).

Whatever it all entails, I can definitely say "mind games". Trust me, you are not the type of person that likes mind games and I can see where you're coming from as to why you don't understand it.

 

[Cobblers Apprentice]

this is discordianism

:eeeekkk

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[SpagLard]

Hi,
i have been ill for a few days, so have not been online much.
Thanks for all your responses and thoughts on this "confuzzeling" topic.

I'll tell you a few things from my own experience with people who label
themselves Discordians,.. because i think you people think it is all a big joke
or just something people claim to be and play on just for fun and laughs.. it's not.

My ex-BF
and a few of his friends are very "serious" about Discordianism,
they treat the Principia Discordia as a Holy Writ and engage in many campaigns
which take up a lot of time and effort.. i don't see anyone going to such lenghts
for a religion that is solely a parody for kicks and fun.
My ex BF was a former HIMEOBS officer, HIMEOBS is not a joke,
i've seen their training manuals and many briefing manuscripts..
they are a very influential (tech-savvy, vicious and intelligent) group of people and they can be dangerous.

They have organized on the internet and plan actions against many groups they
single out to challenge and bombard with their philosophies and mindwarps.
they refer to this as square-circling or "bunkerbusting reality tunnels" .

Most of you have likely heard of "Anonymous" and some Discordians are
also heavily involved in movements alike to it.

I used to talk to my ex about Discordianism and his worldviews a lot,
and most of them actually believe * their "belief"system is a s valid as any other.
(*Discordianism forbids a follower to believe anything they read)

I have witnessed the more active branches and cabals at work and they do not
play around or "do things just for fun"... they have (sinister) motives and
engage in acts like identity theft, internet crime, plagiarism and hacking.

There is a philosophy behind Dsicordianism , although it is not crystalized
nor easy to decypher, but it has elements of aggresive anarchism, Chaotism, (Chaos Magick) and guerilla ontology (as coined by Robert Anton Wilson) .

Whatever it all entails, I can definitely say "mind games". Trust me, you are not the type of person that likes mind games and I can see where you're coming from as to why you don't understand it.

Yes you are correct on that part, .. it certainly entails mindgames,..
my ex-boyfriend was heavily into NLP (neuro-linguistic programming)
and studied subjects like stage magic and mass-perception in order
to better understand what brings about paradigm shifts.
I do enjoy mindgames and challenging conundra,
...but Discordianism is (to me ) mainly just weird and to an extent; meant to never be understood.

My ex was always quite secretive about it when it came to me asking hard questions..
(i know for a fact he and his friends have altered many wikipedia pages including the one on Discordianism and have gotten away with it. )
some of his friends would not appeciate me even talking openly about it with those they deem "to closedminded to be popes" .

as far as i learned from those people , the "parody" they've presented their views as, is the best guise for a subversive movement.
who would take a parody serious.

Glad people here are willing to help me grow a better comprehension of it .~

:yes

Cheers
SpagLard~

 

[tim-from-pa]

Yes you are correct on that part, .. it certainly entails mindgames,..
my ex-boyfriend was heavily into NLP (neuro-linguistic programming)
and studied subjects like stage magic and mass-perception in order
to better understand what brings about paradigm shifts.
I do enjoy mindgames and challenging conundrums,
but Discordianism is (to me ) mainly just weird and to an extent meant to never be understood.

Yes, I'm glad you're feeling better.

Neuro-linguistic programming, eh? Yeah, that's definitely a mind game and when I used that term previously I meant a negative connotation to it, as in psychological manipulation. Esoteric disciplines as this, oftentimes going under the name of science, is appealing to some people maybe with a hidden side to them, desire to manipulate, or whatever. Even to the main public it is often appealing sort of like the mysteriousness of magic. Enough about the esoterica.

Mind games and conundrums as you like are the positive kind providing intellectual outlets, not some shadowy motive. That's definitely OK. Glad you got away from the negative sort of environment, however, and keep away at that. It's definitely something weird to say the least.

 

[Knotical]

Discordianism

Isn't that the theory of an accordian that is out of tune?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Now back to your regularly scheduled comments.

 

[taikina]

discordianism is more like zen riddle, its not supposed to be answered but to be contemplated, to make you think --> your ex and his buddies sound like total idiots, they are just following it like its supposed to be a real religion. I MEAN COMEON, instead of realizing how dumb it is to be a hardcore religionist and look down on all other religions, they do JUST THAT.

i guess there will always be people who take stuff so far that it becomes removed from its original purpose...

AND anonymous is retarded. [edited by staff] thats where the activism started from and after that the more wise people got bored of 4chan and left, leaving behind utter airheads who would adopt something like discordianism into their "image" because its so edgy. an "endless summer" in their language.

reading all this that you've written, i don't think discordianism is all that cool or funny anymore. i've lost faith in any religion to stay good at the hands of man. we totally ruin everything.

 

[SpagLard]

discordianism is more like zen riddle, its not supposed to be answered but to be contemplated, to make you think --> your ex and his buddies sound like total idiots, they are just following it like its supposed to be a real religion. I MEAN COMEON, instead of realizing how dumb it is to be a hardcore religionist and look down on all other religions, they do JUST THAT..

Agreed on the "zen riddle" part, it does have a lot of
"this is only to make you question things" - elements to it.

Just to offer you some perspective...

My Ex is a lot of things, but "idiot" is not one of them,
in fact he is one of the most intelligent people i have ever met.
They are not "followers" either, they do things their own way and don't
assume anything is "real" or "fake" ..
they helped make Discordianism into a serious (yet zen-riddle comical) "religion"
(it isnt quite a "religion" when it forbids you to believe anything you read.:D)
My ex is very autonomous and auto-didactic
he TAUGHT HIMSELF to read/write/speak Japanese from books and cartoons.
that's not easy to say the least.

i guess there will always be people who take stuff so far that it becomes removed from its original purpose...

Who is to say the original purpose was not to design/create an alternate philosophy/outlook or "religion" ?
Just because mockery and absurdism are elements of it,
that does not mean there is nothing "serious" about it.

AND anonymous is retarded. thats where the activism started from and after that the more wise people got bored of 4chan and left, leaving behind utter airheads who would adopt something like discordianism into their "image" because its so edgy. an "endless summer" in their language.

that is one part of it.. yep,..
but there are many tentacles to an octopus...
Anonymous is too big to label " retarded" and then be done with it IMO.

In 2012, American magazine Time named Anonymous as one of the most influential groups of people in the world.[17]

reading all this that you've written, i don't think discordianism is all that cool or funny anymore. i've lost faith in any religion to stay good at the hands of man. we totally ruin everything.

LOL. thanks for sharing your take on things.
when you say "it isn't cool or funny ANYMORE"
do you imply that you used to find it cool and funny ?
Religions were "in the hands of men" from their inception...
men don't ruin religions .. maybe it's more logical the other way around.

Cheers~