Dishonest Gain

[Corn Pop]

How so? Did I lie? Did I change your words? If so, report me.

Will take it to PM to talk.

 

[jasonc]

Not many poor could afford gold. There's also history of manipulation on gold pricing.

 

[WIP]

Do you think when someone puts a price tag on an item that is more than what its really worth is dishonest gain?

Like if you wanted to sell your car and knew it was worth about 2000 and put 3000 on it and sold it, thats dishonest gain? As you know in your heart you made more off someone that knew less, and ripped them off. Or is that fair deal?

And like food and clothes and everything every product says quality, but its not, dishonest gain. I mean, you dont see a product that says crap quality we use cheap stuff, no honest gain, you can probably buy dog food that says quality on the label. lol.

Im just interested to know how far to the point what people would call 'dishonest gain'.

What defines what an object or service is worth? How about your own job? Are you worth what you're paid and why?

Matthew 20:1-16 NKJV comes to mind.
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle,and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’ So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.’ And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius. But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius. And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner, saying, ‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’ But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?’ So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.”

 

[WIP]

What defines what an object or service is worth?

The answer to this question is ultimately determined by the buyer. It's value is going to be the end result of a negotiation. How badly does the seller want to sell or how determined is the buyer to have it?

 

[Corn Pop]

You have wisdom WIP. I cannot anwser you.

One thing I do find amazing is how pathetic things are valued in the world.

For example, water is a need, it has value, yet a small stone, like a diamond, is 'value' a million dollars, but it has absolutaly no use and is good for nothing, its just a shiny stone that does nothing.

I think a apple has more value than a dimond because you get something out of an apple, but a dimond is useless, I can lok at the stars if I want to see dimonds.

 

[Radagast]

One thing I do find amazing is how pathetic things are valued in the world.

I agree.

For example, water is a need, it has value, yet a small stone, like a diamond, is 'value' a million dollars, but it has absolutaly no use and is good for nothing, its just a shiny stone that does nothing.

Well, diamonds are at least hard. You can use them for high-quality cutting tools.

But yes, water has an "inherent" value, and diamonds have a "value" that comes almost entirely from the fact that many people want them.

The situation with gold is much the same as with diamonds. The practical value of gold is that it is a metal that does not corrode, but its current high price is due to the fact that it's shiny, and many people want it.

 

[Corn Pop]

I agree.



Well, diamonds are at least hard. You can use them for high-quality cutting tools.

But yes, water has an "inherent" value, and diamonds have a "value" that comes almost entirely from the fact that many people want them.

The situation with gold is much the same as with diamonds. The practical value of gold is that it is a metal that does not corrode, but its current high price is due to the fact that it's shiny, and many people want it.

Yea but gold and dimond are only good if you want to use them for something, like building a house of gold makes the house solid, but just having a gold nugget is good for nothing, may as well just have a poo nugget, or get a stone from the beach. I guess it can be used for other things like its a good conductor of electricity.

 

[JohnDB]

Gold, silver, diamonds, and (I'm forgetting the one more expensive than gold) are industrial materials.

We use them every day.

Gold in your cell phone. Diamond core cutting for concrete, silver in electric panels, and then your catalytic converters on your car has the one I can't remember.

 

[Corn Pop]

Gold, silver, diamonds, and (I'm forgetting the one more expensive than gold) are industrial materials.

We use them every day.

Gold in your cell phone. Diamond core cutting for concrete, silver in electric panels, and then your catalytic converters on your car has the one I can't remember.

Cutting concrete with dimonds?. How much does one of them concrete cutters cost. lol.

I have heard that before about cell phones have a very tiny piece of gold in them.

 

[JohnDB]

Cutting concrete with dimonds?. How much does one of them concrete cutters cost. lol.

I have heard that before about cell phones have a very tiny piece of gold in them.

Each bit runs between $1000-2000.

They last a long time... Kinda. But it's a necessary cost. The drill that holds them is cheaper than the core bits.

But also many of your tile and stone cutting blades contain diamonds as well.

None of them are cheap. And they must have water or else they ruin pretty quickly.

 

[Corn Pop]

Each bit runs between $1000-2000.

They last a long time... Kinda. But it's a necessary cost. The drill that holds them is cheaper than the core bits.

But also many of your tile and stone cutting blades contain diamonds as well.

None of them are cheap. And they must have water or else they ruin pretty quickly.

I use concrete cutters sometimes. I will be sure to take care next time. If the boss says 'why are you working so slow being lazy', I will reply 'im just taking care of your dimonds'. Perfect excuse to have a lazy work day.

 

[Radagast]

Gold in your cell phone.

I think dentists still use gold too.

 

[Radagast]

and then your catalytic converters on your car has the one I can't remember.

Platinum? Palladium? Rhodium?

 

[JohnDB]

Platinum? Palladium? Rhodium?

Platinum... Thank you.
I was having cranial flatulation this morning.

And I know of several people who had their vehicle's catalytic converter stolen while parked...just for the platinum.

There's a reason why those things are expensive.

 

[jasonc]

Yea but gold and dimond are only good if you want to use them for something, like building a house of gold makes the house solid, but just having a gold nugget is good for nothing, may as well just have a poo nugget, or get a stone from the beach. I guess it can be used for other things like its a good conductor of electricity.

Gold is useless for homes.it melts in fire.

 

[jasonc]

Platinum? Palladium? Rhodium?

All three

 

[Edward]

Cutting concrete with dimonds?. How much does one of them concrete cutters cost. lol.

I have heard that before about cell phones have a very tiny piece of gold in them.

Well, for one thing, even though diamond bits are expensive, they're prolly never real diamonds but, cubic zirconia. That was the real yee haw when...Tracy Hall(?) Invented synthetic diamonds, industry! Not the jewelry market, lol. Cheap fake diamonds are used in a lotta lotta different bits. They're just as hard as the real thing.

 

[JohnDB]

Well, for one thing, even though diamond bits are expensive, they're prolly never real diamonds but, cubic zirconia. That was the real yee haw when...Tracy Hall(?) Invented synthetic diamonds, industry! Not the jewelry market, lol. Cheap fake diamonds are used in a lotta lotta different bits. They're just as hard as the real thing.

No...not really.
The bulk of diamonds never make the jewelry market because of color or clarity..these ones are what is used in cutting bits.

But now they are working on growing diamonds pure enough for use as a semiconductor...so that they can make processors out of them. And exponentially increase the speed of your computer without the need for cooling.

 

[Obadiah]

Well, for one thing, even though diamond bits are expensive, they're prolly never real diamonds but, cubic zirconia. That was the real yee haw when...Tracy Hall(?) Invented synthetic diamonds, industry! Not the jewelry market, lol. Cheap fake diamonds are used in a lotta lotta different bits. They're just as hard as the real thing.

There is also a big difference between jewel quality diamonds and industrial tool quality diamonds.

Quite a while back I was watching a documentary about the DeBeers corporation that owns most of the world's diamond mines. They are the ones that coined the phrase "A Diamond is Forever" a long time ago and turned it not only into a successful marketing campaign, but combined with their control of the diamond market and their ability to only release a small number of actual high quality diamonds, they artificially drove the price through the roof. Before that, quality diamonds were still gemstones but nowhere near as valuable as many other gemstones. It went on to talk about there actually being quite a lot of diamonds in the world, and many times DeBeers will crush and damage gem quality diamonds to sell them at a much lower price as tool quality rather than flood the market with gem quality and drive the price down.

Like almost everything else, the price is set by what people are willing to pay or what they are lead to believe they need to pay by marketing campaigns.

 

[Obadiah]

Ah! I see my post crossed with JohnDB's post.