Dislike for popular church music

[Alabaster]

i see the body a little different we submit out of love and not fear from the lord.

I don't see it any different than you do.

 

[jasoncran]

If you read the Psalms, there are countless instructions and calls to worship. I am not about to post them all here.



There is nothing wrong with a people receiving an instruction from the Lord and obeying Him in that way.

In church we will often settle into a period of silence in worship. It is a holy moment, where the presence of God is thick. and hearts are being touched.





Are they? A lot of them? How many? You are opining and judging the hearts of others with no cause.

i like kirk frankin but what does rap style of worship and his manner really have to do with the lord?

nothing its how he likes it please the lord.

you are white correct? i was raised in the faith with a mix black and white church trust me this may sound racist

whites are quiet and blacks are louder then i can imagine and they are even like that in baptist churches.

again show me in the nt how they did it.

i dont see any charismatics these days using a lyre,lute and ulian pipes.

all those listed in psalms were hebraic instruments

a piano or organ didnt exist then and if you really want to be that techinical.

gregorain chanting is the way as that is the closest to the style of singing of of the psalms we have this side of the cross.

the jews dont read psalms they chant them!

theres no notes in psalms when they are translated

that psalms 119 thing the acrostic is all through the psalmist poetry.

interesting so you feel that we christians are almost robots.

pastor barks we do.eh?

my pastor has authority but he never barks orders in the style i would if i was on duty if i have too.

 

[jasoncran]

shall i pull up the worship songs of mr.franklin that i do like btw and point them out to you?

last time i checked it thou shall worship the lord with thy mind.BODY, and soul.

dancing is movement of muscles in a choregraphed manner or sponteously to tempo.

that is what i mean by flesh.

 

[Alabaster]

i like kirk frankin but what does rap style of worship and his manner really have to do with the lord?

Everything, according to his testimony.

you are white correct? i was raised in the faith with a mix black and white church trust me this may sound racist

whites are quiet and blacks are louder then i can imagine and they are even like that in baptist churches.

LOL! False! We have all races in our church...many many African people. There is no difference--we all worship together with all we've got, bringing praise to the Lord of hosts.

i dont see any charismatics these days using a lyre,lute and ulian pipes.

all those listed in psalms were hebraic instruments

a piano or organ didnt exist then and if you really want to be that techinical.

gregorain chanting is the way as that is the closest to the style of singing of of the psalms we have this side of the cross.

the jews dont read psalms they chant them!

theres no notes in psalms when they are translated

that psalms 119 thing the acrostic is all through the psalmist poetry.

There is no prohibition on any instrument to be used for the glory of God. We can use the old saw and spoons if we feel so led.

interesting so you feel that we christians are almost robots.

pastor barks we do.eh?

my pastor has authority but he never barks orders in the style i would if i was on duty if i have too.

Jumping to conclusions again.

 

[Alabaster]

shall i pull up the worship songs of mr.franklin that i do like btw and point them out to you?

last time i checked it thou shall worship the lord with thy mind.BODY, and soul.

dancing is movement of muscles in a choregraphed manner or sponteously to tempo.

that is what i mean by flesh.

So, what's yer point?

God doesn't look at our dancing before Him as a fleshly act. He receives it as our act of worship. That is what joy does in us. Where we may not have a measure of spiritual joy, or have a heavy heart, we will do it as a sacrifice of praise.

 

[jasoncran]

So, what's yer point?

God doesn't look at our dancing before Him as a fleshly act. He receives it as our act of worship. That is what joy does in us. Where we may not have a measure of spiritual joy, or have a heavy heart, we will do it as a sacrifice of praise.

i have been to a predominate all white and all black church. tell me honestly.


as this is really a culture phemonom if the blacks werent there how many whites would be a loud and boisterous.

how many white singers in your church have soul?

in my old church we had the whites that were gospel with a twang or modern contemporary and the black who were older and sung yes old slaves songs that mr.franklin uses.

in my church which is predominatly white, its back to contemporary music and or gospel with a twang.

and both are just as annoited as the black slave gospels songs thought this church is much quieter in music.

few dance, the pastor does.

and some others.

the old church alot more dance and usually its the blacks who do it.

thats just the way it is

cultures and so forth do effect worship.

through in some haitans and you will something different as well, as haitans are slightly less loud then american blacks in their worship.

again generalisations.

 

[Glowstique]

My church is into more upbeat music, and I wont go beyond clapping. :D I get looked at as a party pooper by some people, but i dont care. I like the slower more "worshipy" music better. Not hymns, but stuff like How he Loves by the David Crowder band. Stuff like that.

 

[Alabaster]

i have been to a predominate all white and all black church. tell me honestly.


as this is really a culture phemonom if the blacks werent there how many whites would be a loud and boisterous.

This is not cultural. This matter transcends all cultures. I am actually shocked at you for saying it is cultural. Holy Spirit lives and moves in people of all cultures and we come together in the same ways and in one language of worship over the entire globe.

how many white singers in your church have soul?

That is an impertinent question.

again generalisations.

I think that is what we call an understatement!

 

[theLords]

My church is into more upbeat music, and I wont go beyond clapping. :D I get looked at as a party pooper by some people, but i dont care. I like the slower more "worshipy" music better. Not hymns, but stuff like How he Loves by the David Crowder band. Stuff like that.

I love that song!

 

[jasoncran]

This is not cultural. This matter transcends all cultures. I am actually shocked at you for saying it is cultural. Holy Spirit lives and moves in people of all cultures and we come together in the same ways and in one language of worship over the entire globe.


That is an impertinent question.



I think that is what we call an understatement!

really? and how many cultures have you been in?

so are you saying that God doesnt use languages to talk to men? are you going to argue that?

when one is spanish and speaks only that they has that as thinking bias/lens God talks to them through that language.and where does it say that one stops being a spaniard to serve God or greek or what not.

culture is an attempt to unsterstand what the word is and where men come from.

each culture is different and yes god transcends but he does allow flavors in worship. that is the point

thus"gospel with a twang. rap or slave style gospel worship!"

why do you think that i say that if one wants to understand the ot(fully) one must actually learn hebrew and the culture behind it fully.

koine greek is dead no one speaks it all.

but with the hebrews its still alive and well. and it hasnt really changed.

psalm 133 is both a messianic hebrew song and a hebrew(judiasm) song.

and both sound the same when sung in hebrew!

for example heres one

define hope in english

i will do it in spanish and this made me see what the kjv says best in hebrews 11:1

non conjugated

esperar=to hope

buscar= to hope or to wait for as in a bus or a package etc

hmm the english only uses one word hope.

the spanish two

the greeks(koine) uses three words for love

and viola the spanish two

amor=to love
desear=to love or to want or desire

that later one is used for like or pleasing

the former is for all others.

so which culture has a better grasp on the translation of things at times english or spanish?

 

[Alabaster]

really? and how many cultures have you been in?

so are you saying that God doesnt use languages to talk to men? are you going to argue that?

when one is spanish and speaks only that they has that as thinking bias/lens God talks to them through that language.and where does it say that one stops being a spaniard to serve God or greek or what not.

culture is an attempt to unsterstand what the word is and where men come from.

each culture is different and yes god transcends but he does allow flavors in worship. that is the point

thus"gospel with a twang. rap or slave style gospel worship!"

why do you think that i say that if one wants to understand the ot(fully) one must actually learn hebrew and the culture behind it fully.

koine greek is dead no one speaks it all.

but with the hebrews its still alive and well. and it hasnt really changed.

psalm 133 is both a messianic hebrew song and a hebrew(judiasm) song.

and both sound the same when sung in hebrew!

for example heres one

define hope in english

i will do it in spanish and this made me see what the kjv says best in hebrews 11:1

non conjugated

esperar=to hope

buscar= to hope or to wait for as in a bus or a package etc

hmm the english only uses one word hope.

the spanish two

the greeks(koine) uses three words for love

and viola the spanish two

amor=to love
desear=to love or to want or desire

that later one is used for like or pleasing

the former is for all others.

so which culture has a better grasp on the translation of things at times english or spanish?

When people of several cultures come together to worship God, there is no separation, no difference. Sometimes there is a variation in exuberance, but that is not important. Language barriers also make no difference. Jesus Christ is in it, He is present, and He brings unity.

 

[jasoncran]

When people of several cultures come together to worship God, there is no separation, no difference. Sometimes there is a variation in exuberance, but that is not important. Language barriers also make no difference. Jesus Christ is in it, He is present, and He brings unity.

could you worship the lord in an all arabic service? and not need english read and understand the arabic bible?

i think not unless you read and undertand arabic and have it read to you in english.

and i disagree cultures are flavors,

i have seen the differences

while i have seen people dance to gospel with a twang. its not the exact same as a the haitan worship with creole music or what music they use or the jamaican with his calypso music.


and most of the time as i speak from expercience mainly white churches that are pentacostal are way more quieter then the colored brethren.

you may not like that but that is what i see a lot.

i have been to at least 4 different pentacostal churches, and others have come to my church.

a canadian will not be the same in worship all the time as an american.

i'm sure that you have french services.

 

[Alabaster]

could you worship the lord in an all arabic service?

Yes.

i have seen the differences

while i have seen people dance to gospel with a twang. its not the exact same as a the haitan worship with creole music or what music they use or the jamaican with his calypso music.


and most of the time as i speak from expercience mainly white churches that are pentacostal are way more quieter then the colored brethren.

you may not like that but that is what i see a lot.

i have been to at least 4 different pentacostal churches, and others have come to my church.

a canadian will not be the same in worship all the time as an american.

i'm sure that you have french services.

You are wrong. Canadian Spirit-filled churches worship the same as American ones, and any other Spirit-filled and Spirit-led church in the world.

I am sorry you have not been rooted long-term in one church. I don't find that moving around a lot counts for anything.

 

[jasoncran]

Yes.


You are wrong. Canadian Spirit-filled churches worship the same as American ones, and any other Spirit-filled and Spirit-led church in the world.

I am sorry you have not been rooted long-term in one church. I don't find that moving around a lot counts for anything.

three times?

once was led by the lord and the other was because of a 4 to 5 hrs sunday service

and why does paul then say that tounges is useless when all speak in it as the unlearned wont know what is said?
you gotta to speak the language. that arabic mean could speak lies and you wouldnt know it.

and no i bet if i want to a canadian chruch i would find some differences.

we cant talk about who to vote for in church
we dont have to marry gays in all 50

and we may not use the same songs.

and also i'm sure that one of us culturally is more reserved and i bet canadians are.
where i live is a ton of canadians
in fact i met a quebecer who was speaking french i caught the general words as i can tell french apart from other languages.

that was sunday past.

most canadians here are reserved than us rowdy americans.

i work seven days a week and get stay awake for 4 to 5 hrs of church and left to find a more reasonble service.

 

[Alabaster]

three times?

once was led by the lord and the other was because of a 4 to 5 hrs sunday service

and why does paul then say that tounges is useless when all speak in it as the unlearned wont know what is said?
you gotta to speak the language. that arabic mean could speak lies and you wouldnt know it.

We do not need to know the language to worship God as one.

and no i bet if i want to a canadian chruch i would find some differences.

we cant talk about who to vote for in church
we dont have to marry gays in all 50

and we may not use the same songs.

and also i'm sure that one of us culturally is more reserved and i bet canadians are.
where i live is a ton of canadians
in fact i met a quebecer who was speaking french i caught the general words as i can tell french apart from other languages.

that was sunday past.

most canadians here are reserved than us rowdy americans.

Please don't generalize like that. It isn't really true. If you came to my church you'd be blown away.

You are talking about service styles in general. I am only talking about worship.

i work seven days a week and get stay awake for 4 to 5 hrs of church and left to find a more reasonble service.

Heaven forbid that the coming together in the house of God isn't a reasonable occasion.

I think that a regular time of meeting that lasts 4-5 hours is wonderful, but this culture's lifestyle will find it hard to accommodate.

There is a church we have a relationship with in Bogota, Columbia---it has over half a million members, many of which take hours to get there and have to travel hours to get home. They are driven by passion for the Lord Jesus Christ. We could learn from them.

 

[jasoncran]

We do not need to know the language to worship God as one.



Please don't generalize like that. It isn't really true. If you came to my church you'd be blown away.

You are talking about service styles in general. I am only talking about worship.



Heaven forbid that the coming together in the house of God isn't a reasonable occasion.

I think that a regular time of meeting that lasts 4-5 hours is wonderful, but this culture's lifestyle will find it hard to accommodate.

i hate to do this

if i type this and this is said language and preaching how are gonna understand

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what does that mean?

and well take it up with that silly thing called sleep. kinda gotta need it you know.

i dont care for that long of a service as well when the choir gets that tired and you know it whats the point of loosing ones voice in the middle of song?

everytime?

and also human attention span is so limited.
few hours ago i dead three mma technigues that i have dont a thousand times before and will remember one thing

wrist flat and knuckle drag when in the mount for the americana.

despite all the other small things that i do wrong that is what i got.

church is the same

i have listened to wonderful sermons and singing and only remembered one thing

God was there.

cant remember anything else.

best time of worship is when that happened.

 

[jasoncran]

We do not need to know the language to worship God as one.

Please don't generalize like that. It isn't really true. If you came to my church you'd be blown away.

You are talking about service styles in general. I am only talking about worship.

Heaven forbid that the coming together in the house of God isn't a reasonable occasion.

I think that a regular time of meeting that lasts 4-5 hours is wonderful, but this culture's lifestyle will find it hard to accommodate.

There is a church we have a relationship with in Bogota, Columbia---it has over half a million members, many of which take hours to get there and have to travel hours to get home. They are driven by passion for the Lord Jesus Christ. We could learn from them.

best church i had was in combat,

no distractions.

 

[Alabaster]

i hate to do this

if i type this and this is said language and preaching how are gonna understand

fsfafoafoafopafopajkgfopasjgfiorfopiewjgioajg


what does that mean?

It means nothing to me!

We aren't discussing preaching!

I suppose you don't understand that we worship in spirit and in truth. We don't need to have a common tongue to worship together and be bonded in the love of God.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Contemporary "Noise" -

"I've seen videos and been to some churches where the music is intolerable for me (the guitar, drums, vocalist, that type of setup). I see people jumping and shouting to the music, but I cannot get into it."

Neither can I - BUT the younger generation seems to "get into it nicely". SO I guess it depend on whether you have a "GET", or a "GIVE" mentality about Church.

I play Bass in the "Worship team" (remember when there was a Hammond organ - With Leslies - and a piano - and one guy or gal up front "Leading the songs"), and I don't care for the contemporary Christian garbage at all - But since there are folks that DO like it, I play it anyway, and now and again we do some of the "Old Hymns" (Drinking at the Springs of Living Water - etc.). When the Lord put that "Call" on me, I fought it for a while - I'm a Bluegrass musician, and I can't HEAR Modern noise. SO I play from "Cheat Sheets" - the only way I can follow it.

"Music seems to be the same in almost all of the churches, so I guess I can't really worship God in this way, is that a bad thing?"

It's a BAD thing not to "worship", but to me "Music" really never has been much part of that. "Worship is a way of LIVING sensitive to the presence of the Lord, and walking in that.

Around these parts, there's the "Cowboy Churches" (Baptist) - and they still do the OLD music mostly. If I was gonna join a church for the music - that's where I'd go. BUT I'm called to DeSoto AoG, and called to play Bass for 'em - so I do.

It Ain't ABOUT me.

 

[Alabaster]

Re: Contemporary "Noise" -

"I've seen videos and been to some churches where the music is intolerable for me (the guitar, drums, vocalist, that type of setup). I see people jumping and shouting to the music, but I cannot get into it."

Neither can I - BUT the younger generation seems to "get into it nicely". SO I guess it depend on whether you have a "GET", or a "GIVE" mentality about Church.

I play Bass in the "Worship team" (remember when there was a Hammond organ - With Leslies - and a piano - and one guy or gal up front "Leading the songs"), and I don't care for the contemporary Christian garbage at all - But since there are folks that DO like it, I play it anyway, and now and again we do some of the "Old Hymns" (Drinking at the Springs of Living Water - etc.). When the Lord put that "Call" on me, I fought it for a while - I'm a Bluegrass musician, and I can't HEAR Modern noise. SO I play from "Cheat Sheets" - the only way I can follow it.

"Music seems to be the same in almost all of the churches, so I guess I can't really worship God in this way, is that a bad thing?"

It's a BAD thing not to "worship", but to me "Music" really never has been much part of that. "Worship is a way of LIVING sensitive to the presence of the Lord, and walking in that.

Around these parts, there's the "Cowboy Churches" (Baptist) - and they still do the OLD music mostly. If I was gonna join a church for the music - that's where I'd go. BUT I'm called to DeSoto AoG, and called to play Bass for 'em - so I do.

It Ain't ABOUT me.

Great post, Bob! 3