[_ Old Earth _] DNA alone disproves evolution, period!

[PHIL121]

It's actually quite simple to understand DNA couldn't have evolved through a random process.

To begin with, the odds of all the amino acids lining up to form even the SIMPLEST bacteria are are on the order of 1:10^100 (roughly).

But ieven if that great 'accident' happened, Observation has shown that 'benifical' mutations could NEVER have occured at the rate needed to show the degree of speciation now observed.

And, in fact, most of the 'benificial' mutations observed in science usually are not all that benefical....seedless watermelons for example, are beneficial to man, but not to the watermelons. There is also an example of certain kind of sheep with short legs that was though to be benefiical to man (you can have lower fences); yet the sheep actually died out because of a genetic defect.

 

[Barbarian]

It's actually quite simple to understand DNA couldn't have evolved through a random process.

In biology, there are no simple facts. I can see a woofer coming...

To begin with, the odds of all the amino acids lining up to form even the SIMPLEST bacteria are are on the order of 1:10^100 (roughly).

DNA is not made of amino acids. Or are we seeing the 'moving goalpost syndrome?' And I think it's time for you to show how you got that number.

But ieven if that great 'accident' happened, Observation has shown that 'benifical' mutations could NEVER have occured at the rate needed to show the degree of speciation now observed.

You think the speciation fairy did it? What rate do you think it would have to be? And tell us why you think that's impossible.

And, in fact, most of the 'benificial' mutations observed in science usually are not all that benefical....seedless watermelons for example, are beneficial to man, but not to the watermelons.

Well, they are, because watermelons with that mutation tend to be more successful. (people plant more of them) But you can get yourself all tangled up thinking about human intervention.

How about the nylon bug? A bacterium evolved the ability to digest nylon oligomers in factory waste ponds. It still has all the usual genes, but added a new one.

How about the one in a group of humans in Italy that provides good protection against hardening of the arteries? Not bad.

Lots more. They lied to you. Sorry.

There is also an example of certain kind of sheep with short legs that was though to be benefiical to man (you can have lower fences); yet the sheep actually died out because of a genetic defect.

Doesn't sound very useful to me. How about the one in Africa, which provides good immunity to HIV?

Get back to us with those numbers, um?

 

[Quid]

And for the record, huge odds =/= impossible, no matter how large.

 

[Barbarian]

Wildly improbable things happen every day. Shuffle a deck of cards, and you've done one such thing.

 

[PHIL121]

Well, considering "The Barbarian" said this....

DNA is not made of amino acids.

...it's pretty obvious he lacks a basic understanding of biology, and is nothing more than a troll for the atheists.

In fact that one's such a laugher, I think I'll add it to my signature line and my blog

 

[Barbarian]

It's true. DNA is not made of amino acids. It is Deoxyribonucleic acid. The molecule codes for proteins, by sequences of purines and pyrimidines.

The specific amino acids in a protein sequence are obtained by mRNA interacting with ribosomes and tRNA.

Would you like to learn how it works?

BTW, you were going to show us the calculations for the odds you claimed.

When do you think you'll get around to that?

If you never did any calculations, and just made it up to impress us, feel free to ignore my second reminder.

 

[cubedbee]

These two threads have similar themes. http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 2&start=19

 

[PHIL121]

Four words Barbarian ...Adinine, Thymine, Cytosine, Guamine.

I may not have spelled them correctly but they are the four amino acids in DNA that MAKE the genetic code.

But that's OK, not knowing what your talking about isn't a crime, the "officers of the court" of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania PROVE that. :roll:

 

[Barbarian]

Those are purines and pyrimidines, not amino acids. Would you like to learn the difference?

Since you've ignored the request to show us how you calculated the odds, we will conclude that you made it up to impress us.

 

[Barbarian]

BS

duplicate post

 

[Barbarian]

Those are purines and pyrimidines, not amino acids. Would you like to learn the difference?

Since you've ignored the request to show us how you calculated the odds, we will conclude that you made it up to impress us.

 

[PHIL121]

They are amino acids :roll:

 

[Barbarian]

No. Amino acids have the general formula (COOH)-R-CH(NH2) where R is a hydrocarbon.

Purines have a heterocyclic ring structure like this:

Notice the nitrogen atoms in the rings.

Pyrimidines are like this:

Just one ring.

Whoever's been advising you, doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[cubedbee]

They are amino acids :roll:

amino acid
n.

An organic compound containing an amino group (NH2), a carboxylic acid group (COOH), and any of various side groups, especially any of the 20 compounds that have the basic formula NH2CHRCOOH, and that link together by peptide bonds to form proteins or that function as chemical messengers and as intermediates in metabolism.


nu·cle·ic acid (n-klk, -kl-, ny-)
n.

Any of a group of complex compounds found in all living cells and viruses, composed of purines, pyrimidines, carbohydrates, and phosphoric acid. Nucleic acids in the form of DNA and RNA control cellular function and heredity.

 

[MrVersatile48]

SCOOBY-DOO TO DEPUTY DAWG...

I only have time to post DNA links..

@ pages 114/116 of The Revised & Expanded Answers Book - by the PhD/MSc leaders of http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org - search for their online summary - as @ http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc

See also pages 59, 107, 110, 112, 117, 122/123 & 186 of Refuting Evolution 2 by AiG's Dr Jonathan Sarfati

Back with more fun links to brighten up this cold, wet, windy winter 4 U... 8-)

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[PHIL121]

:::sigh::

The four "letters" in The DNA "code" Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine (HOWEVER they are spelled !) are ALL AMINO ACIDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code

The genetic information carried by an organism - its genome - is inscribed in one or more DNA molecules. Each functional portion of a DNA molecule is referred to as a gene. Each gene is transcribed into a short template molecule of the related polymer RNA, which is better suited for protein synthesis. This in turn is translated, by mediation of a machinery consisting of ribosomes and a set of transfer RNAs and associated enzymes, into an amino acid chain (polypeptide), which will then be folded into a protein.

The gene sequence inscribed in DNA, and in RNA, is composed of tri-nucleotide units called codons, each coding for a single amino acid. Each nucleotide sub-unit consists of a phosphate, deoxyribose sugar and one of the 4 nitrogenous nucleotide bases grouped into 2 categories, purine and pyrimidine. The purine bases adenine (A) and guanine (G) are larger and consist of two aromatic rings . The pyrimidine bases cytosine (C) and thymine (T) are smaller and only consist of one aromatic ring. In RNA however, thymine (T) is substituted by uracil (U) and the deoxyribose is substituted by ribose.

Was I the only one paying attention in High School Biology? I guess I shouldn't be suprised as ALOT of Officers of the Court don't seem to pay attention to the First Amendment :roll:

There certainly are a lot of people who prattle on and on about Evolution....like it was a "religion" or something.

 

[cubedbee]

:::sigh::

The four "letters" in The DNA "code" Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine (HOWEVER they are spelled !) are ALL AMINO ACIDS.

No Phil, this is false, and you have been corrected repeatedly. You obviously couldn't comprehend the information the article you quoted contained, so I will break it down for you.

The genetic information carried by an organism - its genome - is inscribed in one or more DNA molecules.

DNA, by it's very definition, is a nucleic acid. That's what the NA part stand for. Nucleic acid is different than amino acid.

Each functional portion of a DNA molecule is referred to as a gene.

So, a gene is just a portion of DNA.

Each gene is transcribed into a short template molecule of the related polymer RNA, which is better suited for protein synthesis.

OK, so here we have each gene (a portion of DNA) being transcribed (which means to be copied) onto RNA. RNA is a different kind of nucleic acid, once again that's what the NA stands for.

This in turn is translated, by mediation of a machinery consisting of ribosomes and a set of transfer RNAs and associated enzymes,

This makes note that the cell has "machinery" which is set up to read the RNA (which was copied from the DNA) and do something with what it reads.

into an amino acid chain (polypeptide), which will then be folded into a protein.

And this finally says that the "something" that the machinery does is to read the code off of the RNA and to build amino acids out of that code. These amino acids, when folded together, become proteins.

So notice, we have three distinct structures in the cell--DNA, RNA, and proteins. DNA is a pan for what is to be built, RNA is a copy of that plan, and protein is the actual implementation of this plan.

The gene sequence inscribed in DNA, and in RNA, is composed of tri-nucleotide units called codons,

See, this says the actual gene sequence is coposed of codons, which are triplets of nucleotides--that is nucleic acid.

each coding for a single amino acid.

They code for a single amino acid. They are not made out of amino acids. Can you understand the difference? You are confused and seem to think that DNA is made up of amino acids, when it is actually the case that DNA is made up of nucleic acids and contains the code for amino acids.

Was I the only one paying attention in High School Biology?

No, you seem to have been the one not paying attention. Or else you were taught incorrectly.

There certainly are a lot of ignorant people who prattle on and on about Evolution....like it was a "religion" or something.

I haven't seen a single one. Every evolutionists on this board seems to have at least a basic grasp of biology, a grasp which you seem to lack.

Do you need me to send you a picture book explaining this, or can you swallow your pride and admit that you were wrong?

 

[Barbarian]

Incidentally, this is not high school science. It is learned by 8th graders in most states.

This would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[sheseala]

To be honest, it is confusing if you don't keep up with biology.

I mean Star Trek got it wrong on a couple of occasions.

/geek

 

[MrVersatile48]

OK..even MORE top scientists say DNA disproves Darwin drivel

I only have time to post DNA links..

@ pages 114/116 of The Revised & Expanded Answers Book - by the PhD/MSc leaders of http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org - search for their online summary - as @ http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc

See also pages 59, 107, 110, 112, 117, 122/123 & 186 of Refuting Evolution 2 by AiG's Dr Jonathan Sarfati

Back with more fun links to brighten up this cold, wet, windy winter 4 U... 8-)

As in "Give ToE frauds the Boot" :evil:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18585

See also Dump Dating Disasters!!! :
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18642

& don't miss...

Give it up already!!!!!! :roll:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18666

Or..

Evo Goes To Court... :o
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18041

Or..

Evo350%loopypoop... :x
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18429

Not to mention...

the 1 & only......

Double dog D*U*H, Deputy Dawg!!!!
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18687

Enjoy, y'all!! :-D

Now to Gerneral Talk forum's Anyone wanna have a FUN discussion???

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18636

Or C U @ the cinema..theatre..festival..exhibition.. 8-)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18457

Ian

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