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Do Animals Go To Heaven ?

Lewis

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Well it has been about 4 years since I last posted this topic, but I have found a new article on the subject. Who here thinks that animals go to heaven ? I don't, unless somebody proves me wrong. But anyway this article is about the best, I have read, and I have read many.


Do Pets Go To Heaven?

This question probably enters the mind of every pet owner, especially when they lose a beloved pet companion. We have pets that have personalities and feelings, and can think and reason. It seems as though whatever it is that makes each pet unique (a soul) is like that which makes each human unique. Therefore, we wonder if pets (or any other animals) go to heaven.

Before going on, it is most important to state that if pets do go to heaven, their owners will also have to go to heaven to see them. The Bible makes it clear that the majority of people will not go to heavenâ€â€see Matthew chapter 7, verses 13 and 14 (Mat 7:13,14) for one example. Therefore, it is critical that we remind everyone that they need to get right with God themselves or their chances of seeing a departed pet again are zero.

There are numerous examples of animals associated with heaven (including 2 Kings 2:11, Revelation 5:13 and 19:11-14) or the “new creation†(Isaiah 65:17-25). Still, the question is “were these animals new creations or do these animals include reborn earthly creatures?†Let’s look at the facts.

* Both mankind and animals are formed from the ground (Genesis 2:7, 19). This reveals that the physical bodies of both are similar, but it does not tell us about their immortality.
* God’s covenant with Noah included both people and animals (Genesis 9:9-11). However, that covenant was not one of eternal life, but that He would not again destroy the earth with a flood.
* The fourth commandment as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:12-15 includes a Sabbath rest for animals as well as people. Again, it reveals some equality between people and animals, but makes no statement regarding animals going to heaven.
* God takes care of both men and animals (see Matthew 6:26 and Psalm 104â€â€verses 14 and 27-30 in particular). Although death is mentioned in Psalm 104:29, we learn nothing regarding an afterlife.
* At some future time, Christ (a Rod from the stem of Jesse) will bring about a time of peace where all animals and man will be in harmony (Isaiah 11:1-9). Still, the description is not necessarily of heaven, and these animals are not necessarily reborn animals.

Notice the recurring theme, although animals are our “equals†in some ways, none of these passages tells us anything about whether an animal has eternal life.

Some writers claim that “all things†in passages like Acts 3:19-21, Philippians 3:20,21, Hebrews 2:8, and Revelation 21:5 include animals. The passage in Romans 8:18-25 certainly does include animals as part of “the creation.†Still, none of these passages reveals that the animals and plants included in “the creation†are reborn rather than newly created.

Ephesians 1:3-14 is a passage that speaks of redemption through Christ’s sacrifice. (Redemption concerns setting someone or something free that belonged to another.) Specifically, verse 10 states “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earthâ€â€in Him.†Here, “all things†is universalâ€â€spiritual and material. That is, this passage is speaking about bringing everything back to a perfect “Genesis chapter 1†condition. Again, this does not directly comment on the eternal life of animals.
A Special Commentâ€â€This Topic’s Most Popular Passage

Probably the most commonly cited passage used for “proof†that animals go to heaven is Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 18-22. Since it is so commonly cited, we will examine Ecclesiastes chapter 3 in some detail.

First, King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes. He was (next to Christ) the wisest man to walk the earth. He was also the wealthiest person in the world and could have anything he wanted. As a result, he experimented with everything that this world could offer him. It takes little reading in the book of Ecclesiastes to learn the conclusion: all that the world could provide was meaningless.

Next, let’s look at Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 10 and 11:

10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied.
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Here we learn that God put eternity into the hearts of people. This makes a distinction between man and beastâ€â€not a physical distinction, but a spiritual one. (Notice the contrast with the other Bible passages dealing with animals. They do not refer to eternity or immortality.)

Next, verses 15 to 17 reveal that judgment is coming for wicked people:

15 That which is has already been,
And what is to be has already been;
And God requires an account of what is past.

16 Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of righteousness,
Iniquity was there.

17 I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous and the wicked,
For there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.â€Â

Of course, the average Jew (the original readers of this Bible text) probably thought, “this does not apply to me,†since they believed that physically being born a Jew (God’s chosen people) was their guarantee of entrance into heaven. Therefore, the text continues:

18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.â€Â
19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

This puts the Jewish reader “in his place†(along with the rest of us). In verses 18-20, the perspective is clearly that of a physical comparison of man to animals. (Solomon already made the spiritual distinction of man in verses 10 and 11.) Now in verses 18-20, we see that both have breath, both die, and both go back to dust. These physical comparisons point towards a completely meaningless existence (from a physical or worldly perspective).

With the a spiritual distinction made in verses 10-11, and the physical comparison made in verses 18-20, we now come to verses 21 and 22. They ask two questions that bring the reader to the point of the entire chapter (and the entire book of Ecclesiastes, for that matter).
Question one:

21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Answer: The “who†is God.
Question two:

22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage.[1] For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Answer: Again, the “who†is God.

That is the point of Ecclesiastes: this world and what it has to offer us is meaningless by itself, therefore turn towards God, where you can find meaning. As Ecclesiastes states in chapter 12, verse 13:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.

[1] Note: People’s works only have to be their (meaningless) heritage if they ignore God. Anyone who gets right with God will have an eternal existence with Him forever in his kingdom. This is a heritage worth having.

So, where does that leave us? It leaves us with the truthâ€â€the Bible is silent regarding an afterlife for animals. However, we do have one hope. The key passage for this question does not deal with animals directly, but rather God’s promise to those who inherit God’s kingdomâ€â€those people who have gotten right with God and will go to heaven themselves. For them, the passage in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 applies:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love im.â€Â

Obviously, what God has prepared for us is wonderful beyond comprehension. Therefore, love your pets as much as you can while they are here. Those of us who go to heaven will later understand that everything worked out perfectly regarding our pets.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.shtml
 
What gets me is, the number of Christians who put their pets in heaven, when the pet dies. They say things like I'll see you in heaven Sheba. Or they put them in a cemetery complete, with prayers, and a tombstone, or they cremate them and put them in a urn. And they say things like, I know Sheba is looking down on us. :confused :crazy :shrug :screwloose :o :shocked!
 
I was thinking about this topic not that long ago.

I don't think this is a question that can be either proved or disproved definitively from the Scriptures, but I think that the animals will be resurrected into new life on the new earth. And, I do mean Sheba. Or in my case, Cleo, Miranda, Adrian, Rajah, Duchess, Tipper, Kitty-Kitty, you get the idea.

The animals have nephesh, this is the same nephesh that Adam has. Nephesh is the soul of course. I believe that the soul doesn't die, unless condemned in the second death and I don't think the animals are condemned in the second death.

I think, I think. And I haven't proven a thing. But I do know that with God...all things are possible. :yes
 
Hmmmm, those words coming from you Dora, is going to make me look a little further into this.
 
If our pets go to heaven, then God might want to make provisions for all the animals over time that that been abused and cruelly put to death. :yes
 
Well Jesus said Himself, that God knows even when a sparrow falls to the ground. Meaning that God knows when even one little sparrow dies, woooooooo weeeeeeeeee, that is some powerful stuff. So God knows when they are being treated harshly. I think it is in Proverbs, but it says, a rightous man regards the life of his beast's. But I still don't know about the heaven thing.
 
handy said:
I was thinking about this topic not that long ago.

I don't think this is a question that can be either proved or disproved definitively from the Scriptures, but I think that the animals will be resurrected into new life on the new earth. And, I do mean Sheba. Or in my case, Cleo, Miranda, Adrian, Rajah, Duchess, Tipper, Kitty-Kitty, you get the idea.

The animals have nephesh, this is the same nephesh that Adam has. Nephesh is the soul of course. I believe that the soul doesn't die, unless condemned in the second death and I don't think the animals are condemned in the second death.

I think, I think. And I haven't proven a thing. But I do know that with God...all things are possible. :yes
if an animal has a nephesh like us and other things like an angel then can choose to do no to do evil, or act on instincts, by having a spirit like God we can choose to do evil or not, ie repent of sin or to rebel, an animal has no ability to decide over its instincts, even when its trained, a wolf in captivity still has certian instincts to it, ie look and its eyes it will attack u cause ur a challenging its authority

jason
 
Lewis W said:
Well it has been about 4 years since I last posted this topic, but I have found a new article on the subject. Who here thinks that animals go to heaven ? I don't, unless somebody proves me wrong. But anyway this article is about the best, I have read, and I have read many.


Do Pets Go To Heaven?

This question probably enters the mind of every pet owner, especially when they lose a beloved pet companion. We have pets that have personalities and feelings, and can think and reason. It seems as though whatever it is that makes each pet unique (a soul) is like that which makes each human unique. Therefore, we wonder if pets (or any other animals) go to heaven.

Before going on, it is most important to state that if pets do go to heaven, their owners will also have to go to heaven to see them. The Bible makes it clear that the majority of people will not go to heavenâ€â€see Matthew chapter 7, verses 13 and 14 (Mat 7:13,14) for one example. Therefore, it is critical that we remind everyone that they need to get right with God themselves or their chances of seeing a departed pet again are zero.

There are numerous examples of animals associated with heaven (including 2 Kings 2:11, Revelation 5:13 and 19:11-14) or the “new creation†(Isaiah 65:17-25). Still, the question is “were these animals new creations or do these animals include reborn earthly creatures?†Let’s look at the facts.

* Both mankind and animals are formed from the ground (Genesis 2:7, 19). This reveals that the physical bodies of both are similar, but it does not tell us about their immortality.
* God’s covenant with Noah included both people and animals (Genesis 9:9-11). However, that covenant was not one of eternal life, but that He would not again destroy the earth with a flood.
* The fourth commandment as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:12-15 includes a Sabbath rest for animals as well as people. Again, it reveals some equality between people and animals, but makes no statement regarding animals going to heaven.
* God takes care of both men and animals (see Matthew 6:26 and Psalm 104â€â€verses 14 and 27-30 in particular). Although death is mentioned in Psalm 104:29, we learn nothing regarding an afterlife.
* At some future time, Christ (a Rod from the stem of Jesse) will bring about a time of peace where all animals and man will be in harmony (Isaiah 11:1-9). Still, the description is not necessarily of heaven, and these animals are not necessarily reborn animals.

Notice the recurring theme, although animals are our “equals†in some ways, none of these passages tells us anything about whether an animal has eternal life.

Some writers claim that “all things†in passages like Acts 3:19-21, Philippians 3:20,21, Hebrews 2:8, and Revelation 21:5 include animals. The passage in Romans 8:18-25 certainly does include animals as part of “the creation.†Still, none of these passages reveals that the animals and plants included in “the creation†are reborn rather than newly created.

Ephesians 1:3-14 is a passage that speaks of redemption through Christ’s sacrifice. (Redemption concerns setting someone or something free that belonged to another.) Specifically, verse 10 states “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earthâ€â€in Him.†Here, “all things†is universalâ€â€spiritual and material. That is, this passage is speaking about bringing everything back to a perfect “Genesis chapter 1†condition. Again, this does not directly comment on the eternal life of animals.
A Special Commentâ€â€This Topic’s Most Popular Passage

Probably the most commonly cited passage used for “proof†that animals go to heaven is Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 18-22. Since it is so commonly cited, we will examine Ecclesiastes chapter 3 in some detail.

First, King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes. He was (next to Christ) the wisest man to walk the earth. He was also the wealthiest person in the world and could have anything he wanted. As a result, he experimented with everything that this world could offer him. It takes little reading in the book of Ecclesiastes to learn the conclusion: all that the world could provide was meaningless.

Next, let’s look at Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 10 and 11:

10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied.
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Here we learn that God put eternity into the hearts of people. This makes a distinction between man and beastâ€â€not a physical distinction, but a spiritual one. (Notice the contrast with the other Bible passages dealing with animals. They do not refer to eternity or immortality.)

Next, verses 15 to 17 reveal that judgment is coming for wicked people:

15 That which is has already been,
And what is to be has already been;
And God requires an account of what is past.

16 Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of righteousness,
Iniquity was there.

17 I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous and the wicked,
For there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.â€Â

Of course, the average Jew (the original readers of this Bible text) probably thought, “this does not apply to me,†since they believed that physically being born a Jew (God’s chosen people) was their guarantee of entrance into heaven. Therefore, the text continues:

18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.â€Â
19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

This puts the Jewish reader “in his place†(along with the rest of us). In verses 18-20, the perspective is clearly that of a physical comparison of man to animals. (Solomon already made the spiritual distinction of man in verses 10 and 11.) Now in verses 18-20, we see that both have breath, both die, and both go back to dust. These physical comparisons point towards a completely meaningless existence (from a physical or worldly perspective).

With the a spiritual distinction made in verses 10-11, and the physical comparison made in verses 18-20, we now come to verses 21 and 22. They ask two questions that bring the reader to the point of the entire chapter (and the entire book of Ecclesiastes, for that matter).
Question one:

21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Answer: The “who†is God.
Question two:

22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage.[1] For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Answer: Again, the “who†is God.

That is the point of Ecclesiastes: this world and what it has to offer us is meaningless by itself, therefore turn towards God, where you can find meaning. As Ecclesiastes states in chapter 12, verse 13:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.

[1] Note: People’s works only have to be their (meaningless) heritage if they ignore God. Anyone who gets right with God will have an eternal existence with Him forever in his kingdom. This is a heritage worth having.

So, where does that leave us? It leaves us with the truthâ€â€the Bible is silent regarding an afterlife for animals. However, we do have one hope. The key passage for this question does not deal with animals directly, but rather God’s promise to those who inherit God’s kingdomâ€â€those people who have gotten right with God and will go to heaven themselves. For them, the passage in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 applies:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.â€Â

Obviously, what God has prepared for us is wonderful beyond comprehension. Therefore, love your pets as much as you can while they are here. Those of us who go to heaven will later understand that everything worked out perfectly regarding our pets.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.shtml
I think this article says it all.
 
How do you define "animals"? Are you limiting the word to mammals? How about pet lizards and pet snakes? When I was a beekeeper, my daughter had some pet drones. Do they qualify? And if woodticks and mosquitoes go there, I'm not sure I want to (unless their natures are radically changed).
 
Paidion said:
How do you define "animals"? Are you limiting the word to mammals? How about pet lizards and pet snakes? When I was a beekeeper, my daughter had some pet drones. Do they qualify? And if woodticks and mosquitoes go there, I'm not sure I want to (unless their natures are radically changed).

According to Genesis, all the sea creatures, birds and land animals have nephesh. One might be tempted to say all living things do, but it's clear that the plants, trees and such do not. So, there is a difference between simply being alive and having a soul. It's impossible to say how things like bacteria and amoebas and such fit into this. Reading through the Old Testament, it seems as though breathing air, (and fish do breath air) and having blood seems to be the defining factor. Which also puts things like spiders into the great unknown catagory because although spiders do breath, they don't have blood as we know it.

Something to think about: God sacrificed the first animal for a sin covering when He made Adam and Eve clothing out of animal skins. The sacrifices for sins were always to be animals that were spotless and pure. Animals do not sin (I have to remind myself of this sometimes when my pups get out) and God used them to point the way to Jesus' substitutionary death on the cross for us.

However, up until the time of Noah, there is no record of anyone actually eating the animals. It was only after the flood that God said to eat the animals and that from then on, animals would fear man.
 
I think the site shows that there are some compelling texts that indicate that animals do indeed go to heaven.


If the animals, who are innocent of sins, lose their live because of sin, wouldn't that be a victory for death and for Satan?
 
According to Genesis, all the sea creatures, birds and land animals have nephesh. One might be tempted to say all living things do, but it's clear that the plants, trees and such do not. So, there is a difference between simply being alive and having a soul. It's impossible to say how things like bacteria and amoebas and such fit into this. Reading through the Old Testament, it seems as though breathing air, (and fish do breath air) and having blood seems to be the defining factor. Which also puts things like spiders into the great unknown catagory because although spiders do breath, they don't have blood as we know it.

"Nephesh" means "being" ---- nothing more. God breathed into man (the body He formed from the earth) the breath of life and man became a living being. The body God formed did not receive a nephesh; it became a nephesh. The body became a living being.

... and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life (nephesh), I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:30 NASB

So it's not only beasts and birds which have nephesh, but also every thing that moves on the earth.

Something to think about: God sacrificed the first animal for a sin covering when He made Adam and Eve clothing out of animal skins.

What is your source for this statement? Other than the interpretation of popular preachers? The author of Genesis doesn't say that God sacrificed an animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve. It simply says that Yahweh God made garments of skin for them. He created the universe out of nothing. So I'm sure He could create a few garments of skin without having to kill an animal. Oh yes, I know that God's "sacrificing an animal to cover sin" fits well into the theology that God "sacrificed His Son to cover sin." But in the New Testament, every place that gives the reason for the death of Christ, tells us that He died so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, that we might no longer live for ourselves, but for Him. None of the passages tell us that He died to cover sin, but one passage in Hebrews tells us that He died to do away with sin.
 
Paidion said:
Something to think about: God sacrificed the first animal for a sin covering when He made Adam and Eve clothing out of animal skins.

What is your source for this statement? Other than the interpretation of popular preachers? The author of Genesis doesn't say that God sacrificed an animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve. It simply says that Yahweh God made garments of skin for them. He created the universe out of nothing. So I'm sure He could create a few garments of skin without having to kill an animal. Oh yes, I know that God's "sacrificing an animal to cover sin" fits well into the theology that God "sacrificed His Son to cover sin." But in the New Testament, every place that gives the reason for the death of Christ, tells us that He died so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, that we might no longer live for ourselves, but for Him. None of the passages tell us that He died to cover sin, but one passage in Hebrews tells us that He died to do away with sin.
This would make a interesting topic of it's own. We could then explore God's progressive revelation of how He went from covering to abolishing sin. We could explore why God just didn't use wool instead of skin. I believe we are told skin for a reason that is not revealed to us in one lump passage.
 
Paidion, that is a sacrifice, because God took that animals life to cover Adam and Eve. It also was the first murder. But we are kind of getting away from the subject at hand.
 
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