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Do Blood Moons Really Prophesy Trouble Ahead?

Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Bad things come by prophecy of the past. Redemption (IMHO) comes with signs in the heavens. Jesus was lifted up on the tree, and then into heaven. When we see the troubles we look up for signs of our redemption.

I do see through a glass darkly. Insight into His return is cloudy. We look for a chance to see the blood moons through the clouds. The blood moons are just signs of his coming. One day the reality will manifest.

eddif
 
TOG said:
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I do not subscribe to the self-contradictory, racist doctrine of British Israelism, which teaches that the white race is superior to others on the basis that it is God's chosen people.

The TOG​
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Neither do I. But if the British Isles, USA etc is where God put them, then so be it, but it's terrible the way some people twist God's truth to make it a subject of racism and superiority. The bible never indicated God's chosen people were superior, just blessed with a responsibility, otherwise they would also be punished, which is the point I was making with Jonathan Cahn. He's probably onto something. Some insightful churches have been teaching and predicting this for years when it fell on deaf ears.

Jethro quote:

I'm thinking this was proven to be false by DNA testing.
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Compared to whose DNA? I don't think we have any DNA of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob directly, and specifically to the patriarch Joseph. We do have (some) DNA of their cousins,the Jews, from the patriarch Judah, but to compare DNA to them is futile as it would diverge over the years. To start off, Judah's kids and Joseph's kids had only 1/4 in common with each other in two short generations (only Jacob). That's basic genealogy 101.
 
Deborah13 said:
What has been proved false by DNA? I'm not sure what you are addressing in Tim's posted, sorry.
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I'll answer that. I believe that the 10 lost tribes that never returned to the land of Israel ended up in Europe (and by extension over here in the USA). These are not "Jews" in those nations. Rather these tribes are those nations themselves, and these people became many nations (c.f. Genesis 35:11) although some of the indigenous population is also mixed I won't deny that.

So, some doubters have pulled the DNA card (and others try to "shame" with the racist card) to say that these people are not genetically linked to the middle eastern people, hence, cannot be from Israel. My stance is that there's no DNA to compare to for we do not know for sure what that DNA of the patriarchs were.

But the lost tribes teaching is very complex and a deep subject based on myriads of biblical passages. I get a little impatient when I'm asked to "summarize" it as if it's a secondary, passing topic instead of a major topic. Rather, does anyone have time if I write a book instead? Because that's what it would take. One does not learn all about the science of astronomy in one post, nor could they defend all the theories. But that's how some people think it should be done, and obviously don't know the depth of the subject and think it can be dismissed and disproved with a bible verse or two.
 
Deborah13 said:
What has been proved false by DNA? I'm not sure what you are addressing in Tim's posted, sorry.
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I'm addressing that the ten lost tribes of Israel that were scattered among the nations intermarried with them, and in that way extended Abraham's blessing to the whole world. I think it was Ted Armstrong who put this theory forth which was then later debunked by the fact that DNA samples of the peoples of the world did not support it. Obviously, there's lots of Jewish DNA in the world to test against.

I personally don't think it matters. Any believer is more 'Jewish' than any unbelieving Jew, and equally 'Jewish' with any believing Jew. Race and nationality mean nothing among believers. Those barriers are destroyed in Christ. I'm of the opinion that we should let God play out what's left of our natural distinctions the way he said he would from the beginning.

If I also remember correctly, this same DNA study is what has helped us understand the origins of the various people groups of the world and where they migrated from. It's an interesting study all by itself. I personally don't see any need to attach spiritual significance to it.
 
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Is DNA an ultimate reality? Is the blood moon an ultimate reality?
Eight folks got off the boat and their hearts were not only evil continually. Abraham believed god. These are the building blocks I want in my spiritual existence. Rahab believed in the chosen people of god. That might be good too .

God designed the genetic book, and was behind the scriptures. The reality that enters heaven is not flesh and blood.

Ultimate reality is in Christ Jesus the Messiah. New moons, holy days etc.; are but shadows.

The middle wall is broken down. The physical wall is rubble.

eddif
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I'm addressing that the ten lost tribes of Israel that were scattered among the nations intermarried with them, and in that way extended Abraham's blessing to the whole world. I think it was Ted Armstrong who put this theory forth which was then later debunked by the fact that DNA samples of the peoples of the world did not support it. Obviously, there's lots of Jewish DNA in the world to test against.

I personally don't think it matters. Any believer is more 'Jewish' than any unbelieving Jew, and equally 'Jewish' with any believing Jew. Race and nationality mean nothing among believers. Those barriers are destroyed in Christ. I'm of the opinion that we should let God play out what's left of our natural distinctions the way he said he would from the beginning.

If I also remember correctly, this same DNA study is what has helped us understand the origins of the various people groups of the world and where they migrated from. It's an interesting study all by itself. I personally don't see any need to attach spiritual significance to it.
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Thanks for the explanation. I agree that it doesn't matter. I think scripture supports that it doesn't matter.
But yes DNA has given us valuable and interesting insights. Especially since it has shown that all mankind shares one mother. It sure debunks a lot of unfounded biological racial views.
 
tim-from-pa said:
I'll answer that. I believe that the 10 lost tribes that never returned to the land of Israel ended up in Europe (and by extension over here in the USA). These are not "Jews" in those nations. Rather these tribes are those nations themselves, and these people became many nations (c.f. Genesis 35:11) although some of the indigenous population is also mixed I won't deny that.

So, some doubters have pulled the DNA card (and others try to "shame" with the racist card) to say that these people are not genetically linked to the middle eastern people, hence, cannot be from Israel. My stance is that there's no DNA to compare to for we do not know for sure what that DNA of the patriarchs were.

But the lost tribes teaching is very complex and a deep subject based on myriads of biblical passages. I get a little impatient when I'm asked to "summarize" it as if it's a secondary, passing topic instead of a major topic. Rather, does anyone have time if I write a book instead? Because that's what it would take. One does not learn all about the science of astronomy in one post, nor could they defend all the theories. But that's how some people think it should be done, and obviously don't know the depth of the subject and think it can be dismissed and disproved with a bible verse or two.
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You make a very important point in that there is no DNA to compare to. The genetics of the first fathers would not be the same as the DNA many generations later. We know that they did not always marry just other Hebrews and we have no idea how many were brought in from other groups even before and between the major diasporas.
In scripture, as Jethro implied, there is no Jew or non-Jew in Christ and that is what really matters.
On the other hand, God said that Abraham himself would be the father of many nations. Scripture also says that when God said Abraham's seed, He didn't say seeds but one seed, the Messiah. So Abraham is the father of all those in Christ. So I think we do see two things going on but all merging as one people in Christ. Many nations being one nation in Christ.
 
Deborah13 said:
You make a very important point in that there is no DNA to compare to. The genetics of the first fathers would not be the same as the DNA many generations later. We know that they did not always marry just other Hebrews and we have no idea how many were brought in from other groups even before and between the major diasporas.
In scripture, as Jethro implied, there is no Jew or non-Jew in Christ and that is what really matters.
On the other hand, God said that Abraham himself would be the father of many nations. Scripture also says that when God said Abraham's seed, He didn't say seeds but one seed, the Messiah. So Abraham is the father of all those in Christ. So I think we do see two things going on but all merging as one people in Christ. Many nations being one nation in Christ.
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But the covenant to Israel still stands. They are not saved now, maybe later in the millennium, and as Ezekiel 37 (the dry bones) even later at the GWT judgement when the rest are resurrected. We have to understand that the covenant to Israel was because the faith of their fathers, not because they could/could not obey the Law or rejected Christ or whatever. The covenant still stands otherwise as Paul would say, if it was by works, then faith is to no effect, and there is no covenant. In other words, both Israel and Judah utterly failed, and were already cast out as a people in captivity. Yet... Christ came. By what promise? Certainly nothing they did as nations for they were utter rejects. And that applies even yet today. Moral of the story, it pays to know who Israel then is, as all prophecy depends on it. So, "it does matter". The bible's key characters centers around Israel. It's a book about Israel.
 
BTW, back to blood moons, it was somewhat cloudy here at the time of today's eclipse, plus it was very low to the horizon (4 degrees) so the hills and trees obscure my view. In addition, since the moon was setting, the sun always rises then at full moon, so it was getting light out as well. I had to view it as an iphone app icon. :sad
 
tim-from-pa said:
But the covenant to Israel still stands. They are not saved now, maybe later in the millennium, and as Ezekiel 37 (the dry bones) even later at the GWT judgement when the rest are resurrected. We have to understand that the covenant to Israel was because the faith of their fathers, not because they could/could not obey the Law or rejected Christ or whatever. The covenant still stands otherwise as Paul would say, if it was by works, then faith is to no effect, and there is no covenant. In other words, both Israel and Judah utterly failed, and were already cast out as a people in captivity. Yet... Christ came. By what promise? Certainly nothing they did as nations for they were utter rejects. And that applies even yet today. Moral of the story, it pays to know who Israel then is, as all prophecy depends on it. So, "it does matter". The bible's key characters centers around Israel. It's a book about Israel.
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imo,
If the book is about Israel then Israel is the Messiah, the Christ.
Christ came by the promise made to Abraham as the One seed. By the same token the promise was made so that the Christ could come by that promise. Don't you love circular thought. :confused2 God had a plan. Abraham was called out for that reason to provide a Redeemer so God would have His people, nation. For me all the OT points to Him not the people. The people (even us) are characters in the story about Him. The story is wonderful. So many twists and turns but they all end up at the fork in the road, one straight to the gate where the Shepard stands, the other leads to no where but loss.
In prophecy and in Paul's words there is no where that I can see that ALL Jewish people will be saved. In Elijah's generation there was a raiment. I believe that the "dry bones" prophecy is about a revival within the Jews and many will receive their Messiah, the Christ. I believe that has already begun. I'm beginning to believe that the Lord has put one Karaite Jew in particular on my heart to pray for. But that could just be me, not sure.

Do Blood Moons Really Prophesy Trouble Ahead?

It was too cloudy for us too.
 
uhm so how does one blood moon really supposed to tell any jew or Hebrew that never has heard nor read the bible something?

I should see what the chassidics and the noahides are saying about this.
 
Deborah13 said:
imo,
If the book is about Israel then Israel is the Messiah, the Christ.
Christ came by the promise made to Abraham as the One seed. By the same token the promise was made so that the Christ could come by that promise. Don't you love circular thought. :confused2 God had a plan. Abraham was called out for that reason to provide a Redeemer so God would have His people, nation. For me all the OT points to Him not the people. The people (even us) are characters in the story about Him. The story is wonderful. So many twists and turns but they all end up at the fork in the road, one straight to the gate where the Shepard stands, the other leads to no where but loss.
In prophecy and in Paul's words there is no where that I can see that ALL Jewish people will be saved. In Elijah's generation there was a raiment. I believe that the "dry bones" prophecy is about a revival within the Jews and many will receive their Messiah, the Christ. I believe that has already begun. I'm beginning to believe that the Lord has put one Karaite Jew in particular on my heart to pray for. But that could just be me, not sure.

Do Blood Moons Really Prophesy Trouble Ahead?

It was too cloudy for us too.
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It gets into a lot regarding the covenants with Abraham. But the promise of Christ was included in the promise of becoming many nations, so the Israelites had to become many nations as well for the promise of the One Seed. The many nations part was destined to go to the tribe of Joseph as the birthright. But Christ was from Judah, the tribe of the leaders. Its long so I won't go into it now.
 
Could you stop your debate for a moment and empathise with me?
Because I live in that part of the world that is MISSING a blood moon eclipse - for the friggin' SECOND TIME THIS YEAR?!? :angry3:angry3:angry3
 
Who is Israel?

Daniel 12:1

Who are Daniels people in this prophecy? "Your people" is used twice to signify exactly who it is.

http://biblehub.com/zechariah/13-9.htm The prophecy in Zechariah here is referring to who? Jews? Who is being refined and made spotless at the close of the age?

Why do so many people think it is Jews when the Scripture is extremely clear on this issue? Scripture is not of private interpretation. Some Scripture is nearly impossible to interpret without direct revelation from God (Revelations). But some is very clear. Why are so many people ignoring the clear Scripture to get it to match their private interpretations of other Scriptures?

You will notice that the prophecies relating to the Blood Moons seem to coincide with everything you all have been discussing, but do you understand the things you are discussing? When God talks about Jerusalem He is talking about the city. But when he talks about Israel be careful, the Truth is a double edged Sword. We ARE the House of Israel. We are all spiritual descendants of Abraham.
 
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