Do our Servicemen DISHONOR God?

[shad]

God or Jesus is not directly involved in this world's affairs anymore.

Of course he is :o

I know Christians who are serving in the military, and they are a light to those in darkness around them. Why should Christians not be part of the military? Should we totally abandon this world and let the enemy take over?

So you dismiss Jesus' commandment with your justification? Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. Jesus also says His followers are not of this world.

 

[shad]

one cant all of a sudden be in the military and then become a conscientous objector. Only two faiths fall into that category the quakers and the mennonites, unless you are one of them you will still serve until the enlist term is up, i agree with Lewis W on that pray and seek before you serve as not all are called into that type of life, cops kill too, the suspect is quite the enemy of the public when he/she is threating public safety with a gun or drunk driving, kidnapping and or any violent crime

jason

My point is that most churches(mostly trinitarians) are approving and joining the military. It is obvious sin against Jesus command.

 

[walter]

God or Jesus is not directly involved in this world's affairs anymore.

Of course he is :o

I know Christians who are serving in the military, and they are a light to those in darkness around them. Why should Christians not be part of the military? Should we totally abandon this world and let the enemy take over?

So you dismiss Jesus' commandment with your justification? Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. Jesus also says His followers are not of this world.

shad,
I commend you for "earnestly contending" for the faith, as you see it.

 

[jasoncran]

shad what about cops, they kill the enemy as well if any person threatens your life are they your freind or enemy, simple question.

i'm done after that answer as i see no reason to argue with you at all anymore as you and i wont budge

 

[Benoni]

Wrong person.

 

[Benoni]

Shad,

You are in a dream world; people like you should move out of whatever you live to some place like Honduras or South Korea where you might realize that when God created the earth, God also created the tree of good and evil; for we live in a world full of both of these realities.

When was the last time you turned your cheek when Satan had so much power in the situation? Until God changes things the military and the police no matter how worldly or wrong is our friend and I will add God uses to control so much of the evil in this world. God is sovereign over all things both good and evil. The world is full of people out of their mind with drugs, greed and hate; religious fanatics, rape, murder and every sin known to man. Praise God for our police and Military who put their lives on the line every day so you are free to express your limited one sided opinion.

 

[shad]

shad what about cops, they kill the enemy as well if any person threatens your life are they your freind or enemy, simple question.

I am mainly talking about the military. The police force hardly kills convicts. They kill convicts as last result. The military is completely different. They attack whole nation; there are a lot of innocent people involved. As we all know, we cannot trust our politicians. The military is following politicians decisions.

PS, personally I wouldn't join police force either.

 

[shad]

Shad,

You are in a dream world;

No, I am in Jesus' world. Jesus is my Lord so I follow His commandments because I love Him.

 

[walter]

Shad,

You are in a dream world; people like you should move out of whatever you live to some place like Honduras or South Korea where you might realize that when God created the earth, God also created the tree of good and evil; for we live in a world full of both of these realities.

When was the last time you turned your cheek when Satan had so much power in the situation? Until God changes things the military and the police no matter how worldly or wrong is our friend and I will add God uses to control so much of the evil in this world. God is sovereign over all things both good and evil. The world is full of people out of their mind with drugs, greed and hate; religious fanatics, rape, murder and every sin known to man. Praise God for our police and Military who put their lives on the line every day so you are free to express your limited one sided opinion.

Wait a minute please. shad holds his beliefs through a sincere desire to serve and represent Jesus. Who are we to say he is wrong? This may be just where God wants him at this moment. Either way, God will educate him. Is it so bad shad doesn't wish to do harm to anyone?
His view may be "limited and one sided" but can't we all remember a time when the same could be said of us?

 

[jasoncran]

shad what about cops, they kill the enemy as well if any person threatens your life are they your freind or enemy, simple question.

I am mainly talking about the military. The police force hardly kills convicts. They kill convicts as last result. The military is completely different. They attack whole nation; there are a lot of innocent people involved. As we all know, we cannot trust our politicians. The military is following politicians decisions.

PS, personally I wouldn't join police force either.

a person by juris prudence is innocent until proven guilty and even though some are killed in the deeds are obviously guilty of the crime but technacally innoccent. btw see the earlier post on the watts riots, corruption is everyewhere, and i see your point but not let's throw out the baby with bathe water.

end of talking to you on this

walt i see your point but that's why i said that the military isn't for everyone

jason

 

[shad]

His view may be "limited and one sided" but can't we all remember a time when the same could be said of us?

I am sorry Walter that you feel I am one sided. Jesus' commandment is very clear. Why dont you get it?

How can you love your enemy when you are killing them?

I am simple servant of Jesus. I dont try to complicate His commandments with any excuses or selfish justification.

I would like to add that I am Jesus' side.

 

[walter]

His view may be "limited and one sided" but can't we all remember a time when the same could be said of us?

I am sorry Walter that you feel I am one sided. Jesus' commandment is very clear. Why dont you get it?

How can you love your enemy when you are killing them?

I am simple servant of Jesus. I dont try to complicate His commandments with any excuses or selfish justification.

I would like to add that I am Jesus' side.

shad,
I was attempting to make a little peace. I do not think you are one sided. Someone else said that of you. I was just trying to stop the ganging up and perhaps calm things down a bit.

 

[shad]

His view may be "limited and one sided" but can't we all remember a time when the same could be said of us?

I am sorry Walter that you feel I am one sided. Jesus' commandment is very clear. Why dont you get it?

How can you love your enemy when you are killing them?

I am simple servant of Jesus. I dont try to complicate His commandments with any excuses or selfish justification.

I would like to add that I am Jesus' side.

shad,
I was attempting to make a little peace. I do not think you are one sided. Someone else said that of you. I was just trying to stop the ganging up and perhaps calm things down a bit.

Oh, Ok, thank you. You are peace maker Huh?

 

[walter]

Oh, Ok, thank you. You are peace maker Huh?

Would you clarify what you mean? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

 

[westtexas]

Shad, please tell me what you think about Jesus's response to the Roman soldier in Matt. 8:5-13.
I assume that Jesus is intelligent enough to say what He is thinking. Was his answer to say that you need to find a different profession because you are dishonoring me? No, His answer was to tell this soldier that He had not seen such a great faith in all of Israel. It doesn't sound like Jesus was disapproving of this man.

 

[shad]

Shad, please tell me what you think about Jesus's response to the Roman soldier in Matt. 8:5-13.
I assume that Jesus is intelligent enough to say what He is thinking. Was his answer to say that you need to find a different profession because you are dishonoring me? No, His answer was to tell this soldier that He had not seen such a great faith in all of Israel. It doesn't sound like Jesus was disapproving of this man.

Jesus did not condemn every act of disobedience. We dont know what kind of situation that soldier was in. Jesus was even protecting a prostitute when she was gang attacked by hypocrites. Does Jesus condone prostitution? no.

 

[westtexas]

That's correct Shad, but He also told the prostitute "Go and sin no more" . The soldier was commended for his faith. Not chastized for his profession as you are doing.

 

[shad]

That's correct Shad, but He also told the prostitute "Go and sin no more" . The soldier was commended for his faith. Not chastized for his profession as you are doing.

I disagree with your reasoning.

 

[Drew]

When some soldiers asked John what they should do to be saved John said:

Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

He didn't tell them to quit being soldiers. When he said "do violence to no man" he meant do not harm innocent people.

How do you come this conclusion - the text does not give the "innocent" qualifier that you have added, does it.

King David did violence.

How do you know that such violence was sanctioned by God? David slept with Bathsheba, but that action of his is hardly an argument that its OK to sleep with other men's wives.

Jesus did violence in the temple.

Well, sort of. But he never hurt anyone.

 

[Drew]

God was directly involved with His people and ordered to destroy evil nations.

I actually agree with this. I know it sounds like rationalization, but I think that a strong case can be made that God "ordering" violence in the Old Testament is really a "special case" and cannot be used to support the legitimacy of the use of violence in our time. I will not expand further for now.

God or Jesus is not directly involved in this world's affairs anymore.

Well, I certainly do not agree with this statement.