Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

[Dave Slayer]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

 

[shad]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

Whether we have the Holy Spirit is in us or not, it is Jesus' who is giving us so we cannot argue who has it or not. Anyway, it is Jesus' job to decide if we are saved or not, not anyone else's. He is the One who judges. In the mean time, we should strive to be obedient to Him until the end, then we have nothing to worry about.

 

[duval]

It depends upon what measure of the Spirit you are talking about.

 

[Solo]

• 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:7-8

 

[kingdavid]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

the scripture of the five wise and five foolish virgins explain this best. the five wise virgins have oil in their lamps but the five foollish did not. the oil symbolizes the holy spirit. the five foolish virgins do not have oil in their lamps but they are purged during the great tribulation and are saved.

however, it states that they did have oil in their lamps at one time and it ran out. they had the measure of the holy spirit at one time like one of the previous answers stated but they did not continue on to receive the fulness of the holy ghost when He came.

 

[Jon-Marc]

We are told in Romans 8:9 that "Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit in them is not saved. Of course, we receive that Spirit at the moment of our rebirth, and that happened for me on May 18, 1963. He promised that He will never leave me nor forsake me. I know that's in the Bible, but I just can't find it.

 

[Adullam]

To belong to Christ, yes! To be saved, not necessarily!

 

[cyberjosh]

To belong to Christ, yes! To be saved, not necessarily!

What a puzzling statement. You'll have to elaborate on that one.

I will point this out though: "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Romans 8:9). Solo also pointed that out above.

And salvation and belonging to Christ must be the same, because, "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Adullam]

To belong to Christ, yes! To be saved, not necessarily!

What a puzzling statement. You'll have to elaborate on that one.

I will point this out though: "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Romans 8:9). Solo also pointed that out above.

And salvation and belonging to Christ must be the same, because, "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)

God Bless,

~Josh

Neither of those verses refute in the least what I have written. I have explained this fact in other threads.

A man cannot be saved without Christ's sacrifice. However it is still only God who justifies! :yes One is not saved by affiliation.

 

[daniel6177]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

You have to be saved to recieve the Holy Ghost. Everyone who is saved recieves the spirit of God.

Acts

2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[lovely]

deleted...I misunderstood the OP. The Lord bless you.

 

[francisdesales]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

Yes.

1 John 5:12 - and by association, the Spirit of God, since it is by the Spirit that we are born from above...

Now, no doubt, the anti-trinitarians will pounce, but Christianity is an experience of the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit.

Regards

 

[Solo]

We are told in Romans 8:9 that "Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit in them is not saved. Of course, we receive that Spirit at the moment of our rebirth, and that happened for me on May 18, 1963. He promised that He will never leave me nor forsake me. I know that's in the Bible, but I just can't find it.

And you can see the truth even with those dark, dark sunglasses on!!!! :yes

• 5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5

 

[mutzrein]

Do we have to have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

Yes.

1 John 5:12 - and by association, the Spirit of God, since it is by the Spirit that we are born from above...

Now, no doubt, the anti-trinitarians will pounce, but Christianity is an experience of the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit.

Regards

I'm surprised that the question has to be asked. How else can man receive the gift of eternal life? It MUST be from God, of the Spirit and through Christ. ;)

 

[Adullam]

It sounds like a no-brainer to answer yes, but there is more to the question than meets the eye. Can a person HAVE the HS?

Some who have been filled with the Spirit will not be saved. Balaam is a fine example. Also Jesus said that many will come to Him and say Lord Lord! They did many spiritual works but their characters remained foreign to HIm.

So then "have been'S" can quickly become "has beens!"

Were the Ninevites filled with the Spirit when they repented?

Was the "good" samamritan filled with the HS when he simply helped his fellow man?

What kind of religion are we building here?




People commonly confuse gifting with godly character. You are not saved for your gift.

It is a question of anointing vs Life. Don't ever confuse the two!

 

[Cornelius]

I will point this out though: "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Romans 8:9). Solo also pointed that out above.

Let's complicate it even further
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


That verse has the "Spirit of God" and then also the "Spirit of Christ" . Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, but the Spirit of Christ is what is in you, your new Man. The Holy Spirit helps you to manifest the Spirit of Christ in and through you.

Old Testament prophets had the Holy Spirit ON (upon) them, and the Spirit of Christ IN them.

Num 11:17 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the Spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

Num 11:25 ......... when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, but they did so no more.

Num 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all Jehovah's people were prophets, that Jehovah would put his Spirit upon them!

Now look at the Spirit of Christ being IN these, who had the Spirit of God UPON them:

1Pe 1:10 Concerning which salvation the prophets sought and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point unto, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them.

 

[Jon-Marc]

To belong to Christ, yes! To be saved, not necessarily!

We can't and don't have the Holy Spirit until AFTER we're saved. So, we are saved without having the Spirit, but once we are saved we receive the Spirit. The scripture I quoted says that if we don't have the Spirit we are not His. The thing is, we have all of the Spirit that we are going to get at our re-birth, but how much of us does He have? That's what the filling of the Spirit is; we surrender all to Him and give Him full control of our lives.

 

[Adullam]

To belong to Christ, yes! To be saved, not necessarily!

We can't and don't have the Holy Spirit until AFTER we're saved. So, we are saved without having the Spirit, but once we are saved we receive the Spirit. The scripture I quoted says that if we don't have the Spirit we are not His. The thing is, we have all of the Spirit that we are going to get at our re-birth, but how much of us does He have? That's what the filling of the Spirit is; we surrender all to Him and give Him full control of our lives.

One is only saved if one endures to the end. The Holy Spirit is given to us to help us get through this life...unto holiness...or at least righteousness.

 

[stranger]

Hi folks,

If the Holy Spirit does not indwell us, in what sense are our bodies to be the temple of the Holy Spirit? At best we can claim to be ''empty and swept clean' but not for long.. This state is a precarious one:

Matthew 12:43-45 (New International Version)

43"When an evil[a] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

If the Holy Spirit indwells a man the above scenario can't take place. The problem is always seeing man as a creature unto himself, and therefore being able to be complete in himself without reference to anything or anyone external. This is a false anthropology so Christians say man + holy Spirit is complete. Now can a man be saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? I would say that the work (of Christ) and believing in Christ comes before the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. However that is not the complete picture of salvation because it only talks about justification and not sanctification. Surely, sanctification is also necessarily for salvation to be complete.

The above text is instructive in that the person describes was exorcised, and because they were not filled with the Holy Spirit, more demons entered him than previously and his latter state and condition was worse than the former one. The judgment that Jesus spoke upon 'this generation' was so severe that the hearers who did not respond in faith (presumeably then or later?) were eternally condemned. The final condition of the man that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 12:45 is one of utter condemnation.

 

[Adullam]

Some people have a more pressing need of Christ than others. In the end all need Christ, of course. The righteous and upright will be saved by God's mercy. Others need the rigtheousness of Christ just to function.

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