Do you believe in Baptism ????

[dan p]

Hi to all , and have not met anyone who did not , and some hold too it harder than others , especially those that hold to Baptismal Salvation ( Mark 16:15-16 )

1) Who were the Baptizers in the gospels and who gave them that Authority ????

2) We see one Baptizer in Matt 3:2 , And saying , Repent ye , for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand . The only ones I hear preaching this , are the Pentecostal theology .

3) The we see in Matt 28:19 , and the Context is Jews ONLY as referenced in verse 16 . And they ARE told to , Go ye therefore , and teach ALL NATIONS , Baptizing them .

#1 , You have to notice that all these Baptizers ALL DEAD .

#2 , Unless , you ALL believe in APOSTOLIC SECCESSION ???????????

#3 , By what Authority , do Pastor , Baptize ??????

#4 , Where is the verse where Gentile Pastors are given the Authority to Baptize ???????

#5 , This Baptism is under the Preaching of the Kingdom , Matt 3:2 , period !!!

#6 , BUT they is only ONE BAPTISM for the Body of Christ and is found in Eph 4:5 .

#7, And to enter the Body of Christ is referenced in 1 Cor 12:13 !!!

#8 , The problem with the Greek BAPTIZO , it has more than one definition , INDENIFICATION , in 1 Cor 10:2 ; PLACED in 1 Cor 12:13 ; WASHING in Heb 9:10 ; SPRINKLING in Ezek 36:25 .

# 9 , That means that today , there is ONLY ONE Baptism and that is by the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ , because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels .

 

[cyberjosh]

Here is my view on baptism: The Purpose of Baptism.

 

[cyberjosh]

# 9 , That means that today , there is ONLY ONE Baptism and that is by the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ

That I actually agree with! The Spirit baptism is the true saving baptism.

because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels

Uh, no I do not agree with that.

And actually water baptism does have its place (an important one), but is not the "one baptism" Paul refers to in Ephesians. I try to explain water baptism's significance in my paper above.

 

[dan p]

# 9 , That means that today , there is ONLY ONE Baptism and that is by the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ

That I actually agree with! The Spirit baptism is the true saving baptism.

[quote="dan p":1prdxcrn]because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels

Uh, no I do not agree with that.

And actually water baptism does have its place (an important one), but is not the "one baptism" Paul refers to in Ephesians. I try to explain water baptism's significance in my paper above.[/quote:1prdxcrn]

Hi Josh , that means that you have a verse , where the Body of Christ is mentioned in the Gospels ?????

You say that water has its place , a verse please ?????

 

[watchman F]

Who wouldn't believe in baptism?

 

[glorydaz]

because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels

Uh, no I do not agree with that.

I don't either...Paul calls it the body of Christ, but Jesus being the chief cornerstone was well known.
Jesus had been teaching about His body from the beginning of His ministry.
He's told us we will be one as He and the Father are one.
He is the head of the cornerstone that the builders rejected.
We are the temple built without hands.
The temple is the body. We are temple of body or Christ.

Jesus told us He is the bread of life....
All this is a picture of Christ as the head of His body the church.

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

 

[glorydaz]

And actually water baptism does have its place (an important one), but is not the "one baptism" Paul refers to in Ephesians. I try to explain water baptism's significance in my paper above.

I agree on the spirit baptism, and I agree, too, about water baptism. The spirit baptism is necessary for salvation...which is being born again. Water baptism is an outward sign of obedience.

The Jews were all about "outward signs"...the ritual of washing was familiar to them, and was a sign of repentance until the Holy Spirit was given.

 

[dan p]

because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels

Uh, no I do not agree with that.

I don't either...Paul calls it the body of Christ, but Jesus being the chief cornerstone was well known.
Jesus had been teaching about His body from the beginning of His ministry.
He's told us we will be one as He and the Father are one.
He is the head of the cornerstone that the builders rejected.
We are the temple built without hands.
The temple is the body. We are temple of body or Christ.

Jesus told us He is the bread of life....
All this is a picture of Christ as the head of His body the church.
[quote="matt. 26:26-27":1tmj5isj]And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

[/quote:1tmj5isj]

Hi glorydaz , " He is the head of the corner stone that the builders rejected " is also prophetic , and it is Jewish , and talking about Israel , Psa 118:22 and in 1 Peter 2:6-9 , and this is not the Body of Christ .
This is the foundation for Israel , and it is all Kingdom in 1 Peter 2:9 !!!!

The second foundation is found on EPH 2:20 is related to the Body of Christ .

The Greek noun for " foundation " is THEMELIOS , " foundation " . It contains the Greek ARTICLE " THE " , so it reads " the foundation " rather than " a foundation and that means that is a different foundation than the one spoken in 1 Peter 2:6-9

That shows that there are 2 foundations , one for Israel and one for the Body of Christ that was chosen in Christ BEFORE the overthrow of the world Eph 1:4 and 2 Tim 1:9 , BEFORE the world began .

That means Dispensations began BEFORE Covenants , period .

 

[glorydaz]

I don't either...Paul calls it the body of Christ, but Jesus being the chief cornerstone was well known.
Jesus had been teaching about His body from the beginning of His ministry.
He's told us we will be one as He and the Father are one.
He is the head of the cornerstone that the builders rejected.
We are the temple built without hands.
The temple is the body. We are temple of body or Christ.

Jesus told us He is the bread of life....
All this is a picture of Christ as the head of His body the church.
[quote="matt. 26:26-27":3nsvx8np]And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Hi glorydaz , " He is the head of the corner stone that the builders rejected " is also prophetic , and it is Jewish , and talking about Israel , Psa 118:22 and in 1 Peter 2:6-9 , and this is not the Body of Christ .
This is the foundation for Israel , and it is all Kingdom in 1 Peter 2:9 !!!!

The second foundation is found on EPH 2:20 is related to the Body of Christ .

The Greek noun for " foundation " is THEMELIOS , " foundation " . It contains the Greek ARTICLE " THE " , so it reads " the foundation " rather than " a foundation and that means that is a different foundation than the one spoken in 1 Peter 2:6-9

That shows that there are 2 foundations , one for Israel and one for the Body of Christ that was chosen in Christ BEFORE the overthrow of the world Eph 1:4 and 2 Tim 1:9 , BEFORE the world began .

That means Dispensations began BEFORE Covenants , period .[/quote:3nsvx8np]
This is a prophetic word speaking of the same foundation...which is Christ.
There is no longer Jew or Greek, but one people.

The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation. The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly. I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD. The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD: This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter. I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

We are the holy nation...the royal priesthood, a peculiar people. Christ is the chief corner stone of the church which is the body of Christ. The same that was prophesied in the OT.

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[cyberjosh]

Who wouldn't believe in baptism?

That's what I'm saying. I mean, who can pass up the prospects either?

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You'd get even atheists believing real quick! :D

 

[DarcyLu]

Who wouldn't believe in baptism?

That's what I'm saying. I mean, who can pass up the prospects either?

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You'd get even atheists believing real quick! :D

i invision cops in uniform lining the aisles.

 

[cyberjosh]

Who wouldn't believe in baptism?

That's what I'm saying. I mean, who can pass up the prospects either?

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You'd get even atheists believing real quick! :D

i invision cops in uniform lining the aisles.

LOL. I'm having too much fun with those signs.

 

[DarcyLu]

LOL. I'm having too much fun with those signs.

don't stop now!

 

[cyberjosh]

By the way, I'm not sure how popular that doughtnut store is elsewhere but hopefully someone caught the reference: Dunkin Doughnuts.

 

[chestertonrules]

# 9 , That means that today , there is ONLY ONE Baptism and that is by the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ , because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels .

Water Baptism is necessary and commanded:

John 3 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. …
22After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.

Acts 8 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. 36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
Acts 22 16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'
Acts 2 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Rom 6 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

 

[stovebolts]

Water Baptism is necessary and commanded:

While I agree chestertonrules , I think it clear to first say that Baptism is not, nor should be seen as a legalistic line in the sand as something required for eternal salvation lest it be viewed as a work. Rather, let us define and focus on baptism as a response to the gospel where faith and grace meet in the baptismal pool, and the giving of the Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer.

 

[chestertonrules]

Water Baptism is necessary and commanded:

While I agree chestertonrules , I think it clear first to say that Baptism is not, nor should be seen as a legalistic line in the sand as something required for eternal salvation lest it be viewed as a work. Rather, let us define and focus on baptism as a response to the gospel where faith and grace meet in the baptismal pool, and the giving of the Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer.

I believe that baptism conveys grace. I believe that it is an important sacrament that was instituted by Jesus for a reason. We find that it is integrally related to conversion in the Acts of the Apostles and the early Church.

I think it is much more likely that we will pay too little attention to baptism than too much.

Here's a good summary of what I believe:

The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament .Christianity does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

 

[cyberjosh]

I believe that baptism conveys grace.

I would disagree, in principle, if taken as an absolute statement - although I believe they can coincide. Read my first post directly below the OP for my article on the Purpose of Baptism. I also try to explain in the paper why water baptism is valuable, even if not essential for salvation. The thief on the cross was conveyed grace despite lack of any baptism. The saving Baptism is the Baptism of the Spirit. I'm sure you and I can come to some reasonable dialogue once you see my reasons (citing Scripture) for believing what I do.

While I agree chestertonrules , I think it clear to first say that Baptism is not, nor should be seen as a legalistic line in the sand as something required for eternal salvation lest it be viewed as a work. Rather, let us define and focus on baptism as a response to the gospel where faith and grace meet in the baptismal pool, and the giving of the Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer.

I agree with something more like this. In my paper I do acknowledge the possiblity of Salvation being conveyed a the moment of belief at baptism, but water baptism can also be done after salvation has taken place (as was my own baptism, in fact) as I point out in my paper (especially the example with Peter).

 

[glorydaz]

# 9 , That means that today , there is ONLY ONE Baptism and that is by the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ , because the Apostles NEVER heard about the Body of Christ and is not found in the Gospels .

Water Baptism is necessary and commanded:

John 3 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. …
22After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.

Acts 8 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. 36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
Acts 22 16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'
Acts 2 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Rom 6 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Water baptism is not necessary for salvation. Born of water and the spirit doesn't refer to water baptism.

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Just as John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus...water baptism prepared the way for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. There is now ONE Baptism by which we are saved, and that's when we're born again of the Spirit.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Nothing done by man will save us...our work is to believe...we must be born again. Animal sacrifice, circumcision, and water baptism were but shadows of what was to come. The work of our salvation was done at the cross. His sacrifice, the circumcision of our heart and the washing of regeneration are accomplished by God when we believe in Jesus and are born again. Water baptism is an outward sign of what has already been accomplished in the believer's heart.

 

[Boanerges]

Jesus came to baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire and we must indeed find ourselves immersed in Christ.
Water baptism is an act of obedience but no basis for salvation, that was the work of the cross.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
It is he that belieth not that is damned not he that does not get wet.
If one is saved and trips walking and kills themselves on the way to the baptismal God would certainly not reject that one.