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Growth Do you Force your Religion on Others?

Obadiah said:
Yeah, on the surface this sounds like a good idea. That is until companies or organizations that you really need to do business with start instituting policies that you don't like or can't live with. This is a very slippery slope and is why we need a certain amount of laws that govern what companies must do and can't do.
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already there, cvs forces one to have blood pressure tests monthly to save money. their right, and I cant blame them.
 
WIP said:
Not disagreeing with you but just want to point out that lawful and moral are two different things.
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yes, I know that. I know the game. kiwi didn't catch that. it may be lawful for me if I had to insure myself as a s or c corp to pay for abortion since ere the ruling I wasn't a person but its money, I should have right to buy what product I want.
 
Jesus said make disciples. This not a request, or a suggestion. This is a command. Jesus has many fans, however He wants followers. If you did not know your purpose for life now you do. Matthew 28:16-20 NIV

Jesus says in John 6:44 NIV, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
In other words because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world, God draws people to you who He wants to save and become a disciple.

We are ambassadors for our King Lord Jesus Christ and represent our government in heaven where our permanent citizenship is located. We have been sent out to spread the good news about the gospel of our King Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:20 NASB

The scripture says ever time you talk about the word of God a scroll of remembrance is being written by the angels in front of God - Malachi 3:16 NKJV. Not only that but you employ the angels because they are hearkening unto the voice of his word. Psalm 103:20 NKJV

I don't know about you. But my job is to give those angels writers cramp.
Angels who are you writing about, "iLove". Angels, "who are you writing about now, iLove". Angels, "are you still writing about my son iLove?" Yes says the Angels. iLove loves you! You are first in everthing he does. Well open up the floodgates of heaven a pour out a blessing for my son that is exceedingly abundantly above all that he ask or think - Ephesians 3:20 NKJV. Protect all that he has and give him the five heavenly crowns when he returns someday!
 
iLOVE said:
Jesus said make disciples. This not a request, or a suggestion. This is a command...
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I agree with most all you said, I think. But I'm only wondering about this part... Are you saying that since this was not just a suggestion, that we are to use the force of secular law to force people to live as if they were disciples? (Secular law can only force behavior under threat of punishment, it can't change a heart.) In this case using a secular court decision to allow employers to deny otherwise available benefits to employees because they do not agree with those benefits? I'm not so sure this was the kind of thing Jesus had in mind when he gave that command.

Just to avoid confusion, I'm not supporting abortion as a form of birth control. Far from it. On the surface I want to cheer the court's decision. I just question if this is really the way God wants things done, or if God would prefer the person considering having the abortion would have a change of heart rather than a change of mind that was forced on them by their secular employer denying benefits that are otherwise mandated by law to everyone else (whether or not I personally like that particular law). I just don't know if this is what Jesus meant when he said we are to make disciples.
 
Obadiah said:
I agree with most all you said, I think. But I'm only wondering about this part... Are you saying that since this was not just a suggestion, that we are to use the force of secular law to force people to live as if they were disciples? (Secular law can only force behavior under threat of punishment, it can't change a heart.) In this case using a secular court decision to allow employers to deny otherwise available benefits to employees because they do not agree with those benefits? I'm not so sure this was the kind of thing Jesus had in mind when he gave that command.

Just to avoid confusion, I'm not supporting abortion as a form of birth control. Far from it. On the surface I want to cheer the court's decision. I just question if this is really the way God wants things done, or if God would prefer the person considering having the abortion would have a change of heart rather than a change of mind that was forced on them by their secular employer denying benefits that are otherwise mandated by law to everyone else (whether or not I personally like that particular law). I just don't know if this is what Jesus meant when he said we are to make disciples.
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Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." John 18:36 NIV

Jesus says in John 6:44 NIV, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
In other words because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world, God draws people to you who He wants to save and become a disciple.

No force is needed to make disciples. For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart - Hebrews 4:12 NIV. Gracious words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Proverbs 16:24 NIV
 
iLOVE said:
...No force is needed to make disciples. For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart - Hebrews 4:12 NIV. Gracious words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Proverbs 16:24 NIV
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Right. I understand what you are saying now. Thanks. I agree too.
 
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