I see paul as a saved jewish rabbi, who used what was shown by God to him for the Lord. the more I study jewish thought the more I see how jewish we should be.
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Do you think only humans have a soul?
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Jethro Bodine
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Animals have a soul. A soul that is entirely shaped and molded and controlled by their flesh.
They either do not have a spirit, or God has made no provision to influence them by his Spirit through their spirit. I don't know which one is true. Kind of leaning toward the latter--animals have spirits, but God simply did not make animals to be in spiritual fellowship with him. There is no connection from their spirit to his. Humans he did create with the intention of establishing spiritual communication with through their spirit.
They either do not have a spirit, or God has made no provision to influence them by his Spirit through their spirit. I don't know which one is true. Kind of leaning toward the latter--animals have spirits, but God simply did not make animals to be in spiritual fellowship with him. There is no connection from their spirit to his. Humans he did create with the intention of establishing spiritual communication with through their spirit.
I agree but I know that some Christians seem to think that they will be in heaven. Idk if they will or not. some jews agree that they will. but that is going off topic.
Deborah13
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Yep, from the way you have presented this, that is what I believe.
I've tried to explain that in past threads, you have expressed it well.
Jethro Bodine
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Salvation is not simply having the spiritual capacity or potential to be connected to God. Many people think that just hearing God spiritually means they are saved. They take false comfort out of hearing spiritual truths, as if that proves they have a saving relationship with God. What it proves is that they have a spirit through which God communicates by his Spirit. Do animals have this avenue of communication--a spirit--but God simply has not intended to bring them into spiritual communication and fellowship with Him through that spirit? Dunno.
well since I deleted that and you mentioned it.
the vav or vah is the third letter of the Name of God(YHWH) it means man pulling or reaching up to God to dwell in him or God coming into man and removing all evil and protecting us from evil. isn't that exactly what Jesus did? funny how blind jews can pull that from a simple letter in the Name of God. the Yod is another part we have an all things have but that isn't revalant to this fully. its a point where we start as He made all and he for is glory. I got sent this link It goes into that in part.
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/the-chassidic-approach-to-joy/07.htm
Jethro Bodine
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:nod
See the receptionist at my strip store brain surgery office (next to Target) and tell her that I spoke to you earlier and said I'd give you a free frontal lobe tune up.
lol.
you will never look at the grey matter the same since I said that.
Jethro Bodine
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But it is about whether animals have a spirit.
It explains the moral obligations, if any, of the animals.
Morality is a spiritual component of man, not a soulish, or fleshly one.
I've never seen an animal acting spiritually. I've seen them acting wisely, but not spiritually. They won't steal another animal's food.....as long as he's around and bigger than him, lol. They operate on fleshly instinct and reasoning, not spiritual. This tells me they lack either the spiritual component that man has, or God simply does not use it in them. But they obviously have a conscious soul that can act thoughtfully, and which is shaped and molded by the flesh.
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Cheyenne, my dog , whenever I talk about this I think of her compassion. she has tried to calm my wife down when she is upset, comforted me when im depressed and goes to us both when afraid from the loud noises. I wonder if that is from God at times. the yod and vav thought would say that is from him to remind us. if I recall that is the case with them.
Jethro Bodine
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I personally don't think conscious reasoning has to mean spiritual reasoning.
I think feelings can come from simple cerebral capacity.
Deborah13
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Deborah13
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I agree.
no,but dogs and cats and others do have them and whom made them as such? God. so why wouldn't he use an animal to remind us of his nature?
Jethro Bodine
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I have no argument with that at all.
I have learned tons from all the cats, dogs, and ducks I've had. I'm convinced God has made them object lessons for us to learn from. Totally convinced.
Want to understand human nature better? Raise an animal.
I don't think you'll learn what is right about God, but you'll learn what is so wrong with man that makes us see how right the ways of God are.
oh. I do call Cheyenne our child and have coined her a little girl in a dog's body. she has blue eyes and does get that from me lol. she loves gardening and plants and that is from my wife. she loves outside and gets that from her and well sleeps a lot. I do that.
Jethro Bodine
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I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole, lol.
I know but if you saw her and how she acts its if we had a soul from each of that and it was clothed in a dog. Cheyenne is a wolf-huskey mix. she was purchased from a breeder and is the only female of that mother wolf-father huskey. she is gentile and not much into territory. I didn't want that dog but she worked her charm and when she dies she will be missed. she was gone for a day with monica and it wasn't the same.