Does anyone hate the IRS?

[SailorWriter]

I had seen some memes making jab of IRS basically ruining people's lives if they didn't pay up the taxes. This made me wonder, is it a true feeling of the people of USA who have to deal with this messed up society, or is it just anti-tax payment propaganda? I would like to know, thanks.

 

[jasonc]

I had seen some memes making jab of IRS basically ruining people's lives if they didn't pay up the taxes. This made me wonder, is it a true feeling of the people of USA who have to deal with this messed up society, or is it just anti-tax payment propaganda? I would like to know, thanks.

No,it's true .I have declared bankruptcy you can't get behind on any taxes and declare it unpayable.

They charge interest on what is due but drag to pay you back .

 

[Christian Saboteur]

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"Superior minds are concerned with ideas,average minds with events,inferior minds with personalities",............T.G.G.G,1990

 

[for_his_glory]

Let's look at what Jesus said:

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Mat 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Everyone knows they have to pay taxes and there is no way to get out of paying, but to know there are penalties for not paying.

 

[GodsGrace]

I had seen some memes making jab of IRS basically ruining people's lives if they didn't pay up the taxes. This made me wonder, is it a true feeling of the people of USA who have to deal with this messed up society, or is it just anti-tax payment propaganda? I would like to know, thanks.

It's neither.
Guess you've either:

1. Never had to deal with them.
2. Don't really understand how it functions.

 

[jasonc]

Let's look at what Jesus said:

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Mat 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Everyone knows they have to pay taxes and there is no way to get out of paying, but to know there are penalties for not paying.

I didn't say to ignore the law but we went to war over excessive taxation with the British.it wasn't all but it was bad

 

[Who Me]

I didn't say to ignore the law but we went to war over excessive taxation with the British.it wasn't all but it was bad

Do remember that taxation was to help pay the debts incurred fighting the French and Indian war that greatly benefited the American colonies.
Just like today influential sections of the colonies resented having to pay taxes and agitated against them.
See:-https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/french-and-indian-war
For an explanation.

We should all be grateful for the Christian influence on the west that encourages independent thought and action.
One has only to look at how states control public opinion in countries where there is either no Christian influence or the history is of state control.

 

[jasonc]

Do remember that taxation was to help pay the debts incurred fighting the French and Indian war that greatly benefited the American colonies.
Just like today influential sections of the colonies resented having to pay taxes and agitated against them.
See:-https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/french-and-indian-war
For an explanation.

We should all be grateful for the Christian influence on the west that encourages independent thought and action.
One has only to look at how states control public opinion in countries where there is either no Christian influence or the history is of state control.

The wars that the colonies listed as the reasons to rebel .they didn't want to be involved in the crowns wars .

They specifically listed the seven years war as the reason as a grievance ..

 

[jasonc]

The wars that the colonies listed as the reasons to rebel .they didn't want to be involved in the crowns wars .

They specifically listed the seven years war as the reason as a grievance ..

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

A briton wouldn't get this sorry I get your point but seldom is any taxation uses for what it should be efficiently..

They didn't want to be involved in the wars and well it's complicated .would you call an event of that out today ? Isn't Russia doing the same ?

 

[for_his_glory]

I didn't say to ignore the law but we went to war over excessive taxation with the British.it wasn't all but it was bad

I never said you did and just showing what Jesus said. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Independent Rear Suspensions have been great for automobiles.


"Superior minds are concerned with ideas,average minds with events,inferior minds with personalities",............T.G.G.G,1990

Ha Ha!!

I think I needed this, LoL.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
I don't like the way we have to pay them.
This is the 21st century.
Take what you need out of my paycheck, and leave me alone.
If we did it right, we would not have to file.
I also think once a person reaches 75, and has paid their taxes for 50 years, they should not have to pay any more income tax.
But what do I know.

However, not paying is not an option.

Didn't Jesus say:

Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Did you ever wonder why the Pharisees and the Herodians "marvelled" at him?
Jesus knew they were trying to tempt Him.
But He did not take the bait.
Sorry, off track.

Jesus said to pay the tax.
So we pay.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Who Me]

A briton wouldn't get this sorry I get your point but seldom is any taxation uses for what it should be efficiently

I deliberately use an America popular history source, which showed that a major cause of the French and Indian war was clashes between the French and the American colonies, clashes that the French were winning.
It took major expenditure to beat the French.

 

[jasonc]

I deliberately use an America popular history source, which showed that a major cause of the French and Indian war was clashes between the French and the American colonies, clashes that the French were winning.
It took major expenditure to beat the French.

Yes it did .

But the words benefit isn't a word I would use.

The Indians didn't like it and well a wars were started .

Case in point
.

The French hugenourts were butchered by the spanish ,the French returnsed the favor.

Sir Francis drake burned the Spanish settlement and many of these explorers were profiteers aka pirates. ..

Texas ,the fact we got that was a curse .

The civil war came 13 years laterr.

The crown also told the colonies not to expand into the new land benefit ? We won but we also can't let you enjoy it.

My point here is the colonies were pawms to the crowns and the seven years war was a European power struggle.

It's often not taught but the local settlers lived in peace if they could when not coerced by the head states afar way .

In Florida when the federal govt engaged the Seminoles the people found it unpopular.

These were purge attempts ,we lied and cheated the Indians.
.that's good use of taxation?
.

North Carolina and Georgia ,all were Cherokee land while Alabama was creek land and the Cherokee did force the creek into Florida and the British .

Florida was decided to become a state before the Adams onis treaty but the invasion. Was called off but that's another topic .the local natives werent innocent but neither was the Americans and there colonial powers before them .

I hardly would call conquest of another nation Godly .
.even if and in lead by a Christian crown .

"Govt is a necessary evil "
Sadly you missed my point .taxation to help the poor ?

These veterans served our country, now they say the VA is taking away their doctors

More than 70 veterans, relatives and medical providers contacted Florida Rep. Brian Mast to say the Department of Veterans Affairs cut off access to community care.

www.foxnews.com

Veterans since the bonus army have had tried fo fix that .

That's ww1 !
But we have money for all else .usually for the rich donors of politicians.

 

[Who Me]

The French hugenourts were butchered by the spanish ,the French returnsed the favor

The huegenouts were butchered by the French, the Spanish butchered the Dutch.


History aside I was making the point that oddballs hate paying tax now just as they did in the 16th century and both create disturbances.

 

[jasonc]

The huegenouts were butchered by the French, the Spanish butchered the Dutch.


History aside I was making the point that oddballs hate paying tax now just as they did in the 16th century and both create disturbances.

If taxation was as to the Romans day logic .

Then it's is morally wrong to overthrow to the third Reich by partisans .

The early. Church eschewed military service. In said Florida history the local could have used with the Indians and stopped the genocide.

It makes no sense to pay taxes so that the population can arm a murderous Ruler but then arming a internal rebellion to disarm the and remove the despot isn't a sin?

My church amongst many rebelled and held church .we obey God not man but if it was a bar it would have been ok .

So long as social distancing was done bunch of crock.

 

[jasonc]

Tax districts that are locally in my none state income tax state

County ,city of you are a resident ,solid waste but you pay for trash now per law county wide
School district ,st johns water ,hospital
Sales taxes ,franchise fees for county water ,charges by cities as well for electric ,cell phone and also cable .

All that and often the district don't actually do what they should.

My county basically said we won't build infrastructure for the old areas where I live but will gladly for the new development.no way greasing hands happens .

I'm talking water and sewer .

 

[WIP]

The dilemma with the IRS is if you fail to pay your due taxes, you will be in for a world of hurt because once caught, not only will you owe the back taxes but also interest and penalties that can add up to quite a bit.

My wife likes to gamble a little and most of the time her winnings are low to non-existent. Back in 2018 she and a girl friend got a payout to the tune of about $10,000.00 playing slot machines. Of course they didn't keep any records of losses so there were no deductible losses to offset those winnings which meant they were responsible for all the tax liability, which was about 22% based on our annual income or $2,200.00.

What's worse is they shared my wife's casino card so all of their combined winnings were recorded as my wife's even though they split the winnings. On top of that, they didn't ask the casino to withhold taxes so they split all of the money between them and didn't set any aside to pay the taxes in 2019 when we filed or 2018 income taxes. Furthermore, I was not informed or given the W2-G forms so I was unaware of the winnings and didn't include them when I filed our income taxes in 2019.

In 2022 we got a notice from the IRS that we owed back taxes plus penalties and interest totaling just about $3,500.00 for the 2018 tax year. This hit me blind-sided and it was then that my wife told me about the $10,000.00 winnings and that they split the money. Neither of them took responsibility to pay the taxes when they should have or to accept responsibility after the fact for the added penalties and interest. So now I was stuck paying the bill to save any further interest (my wife and I manage separate bank accounts). I had to dip into our savings account to pay for this fiasco.

The story isn't done yet. She then told me they also had winnings in 2019 and 2020, not as much each year but enough, and then produced copies of the W2-G forms. This forced me to take them to our tax accountant to file amended taxes for the 2019 and 2020 tax years to stop the interest from accruing on those as well. When it was all said and done, I paid over $6,000.00 in back taxes, penalties, and interest and neither of them offered to step up and pay the bill.

There's still more. So far, I've only talked about federal taxes. The state of MN also has a say and naturally, we eventually got a bill from the state for back taxes, penalties, and interest of about $2,500.00. I gave that to my wife and told her it was hers and I refused to pay that portion as well. I didn't know if she got her friend to help out or not or how she paid for it and didn't care. I was really miffed at them for what they did. I told her that any time they win and get a W2-G from the casino, they must ask the casino to withhold about 20% for federal and 10% for state taxes. I don't think she's been to a casino since but I'm not sure.

The point is, they owed for the taxes from their winnings but they didn't take the responsibility for them resulting in penalties and interest that almost added up to more than the taxes were to begin with. You can't just ignore tax liability. It'll hurt more in the end.

 

[miamited]

I had seen some memes making jab of IRS basically ruining people's lives if they didn't pay up the taxes. This made me wonder, is it a true feeling of the people of USA who have to deal with this messed up society, or is it just anti-tax payment propaganda? I would like to know, thanks.

Hi SailorWriter

My personal experience has been pretty positive of the IRS. I've had occasion to receive one of their 'notices of taxes due' form letters before. Usually when I check out the claimed error, they're right and I send the payment. I know the last time it happened I sent a check for the amount due without the interest and wrote that it was an honest mistake, and they've never come back for the interest I didn't pay.

One time before, there apparently was a change in how 1099's were sent out to non-participating farm land owners that my wife and I owed like 17k. They had a bunch of 1099's that had been sent to the farm coop that runs the farm that is on the land my wife owned. You know, like crop subsidy payments and crop insurance payments and the like.

I wrote them back that I wasn't an active farmer. That this was just land that a coop farmed and they got all of the 1099 monies. I showed them where I had reported the 8-9k that we got from the farm income as miscellaneous income. 3 weeks later I got a letter that our return had been accepted as filed.

Yea, look I get it. We all hate to pay taxes, but the reality that we need to face is that governments only operate through taxation of some kind. But as we look across the globe, the tax scheme used here in the U.S. is relatively fair and fairly priced. So yes, I don't like to pay it, but I know that as a good citizen who is responsible for supporting the government that God has placed over me, that I have to pay taxes. It's just part and parcel of making income. And as someone posted earlier, the U.S. dollar really belongs to the U.S. treasury. So, it is still true that our money, just like in the day that Jesus told some people to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, is still Ceasar's/government's money.

Of course, that's not to say that some people don't get their hands smacked pretty severely by the IRS auditors, but I believe overall that we have a fair and equitable tax system here in the states.

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

Of course, that's not to say that some people don't get their hands smacked pretty severely by the IRS auditors, but I believe overall that we have a fair and equitable tax system here in the states.

And, if they were in the wrong or were intentionally wrong then they deserved to be proverbially slapped. On the other hand, the IRS is not above the law and is made up of people, people that can make mistakes just as we can. If someone feels the action taken was not appropriate, they always have the option of disputing the IRS claim.

Years ago, my wife had withdrawn money from an IRA that she had. She was nowhere near retirement age so penalties for the withdraw were applied. It was so long ago that I do not recall all the details but long story short, when we received notice of what the IRS agents determined to be an error on our part, I disputed the claim and provided the evidence to back up what I was saying. In the end, the IRS not only accepted my explanation but also determined that there was in fact an error on our part but the solution was in our favor so we got a refund from the IRS that we would never have received had they not challenged our 1040.

They are not out to take advantage of people. They are doing their job. We get caught making a mistake, doing some shady, or even blatantly wrong and we immediately cry foul.

I am a member of an outdoor sportsman's forum website and it is amazing how many times someone comes to the site to rant about the DNR conservation officers because they were caught with too many fish over the limit or violating some other law. They say things like, "They (the CO) should concentrate on real criminals and not them." Really? Give me a break!