Does day of Christ ressurection tell us to worship on Sunday

[adam332]

keeping the Sabbath didn't even show up on their radar.

How exactly did you get to Acts 15 and miss that Paul and the Gentiles keeping the Sabbath two chapters earlier?

The Gentile and Israelite Christians continued to observe the Sabbath, as recorded in the Bible decades after the cross. Even the Gentiles were now calling it the "Sabbath". The Holy Spirit while writing through Luke in the book of Acts also calls that day "the Sabbath".

You can find such references below where it also records Paul keeping the Sabbath 84 times after the cross.
Acts 13:14,42-44 16:13; 17:2; Acts 18:4,11

 

[Ahuli]

"There is no mention of the Sabbath at all. Yet, you claim that passage holds instructions, for something it never mentions?"

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Case closed.

If you don't have to keep the Sabbath day of the ten commandments, you don't have to refrain from killing, stealing, and the rest of them, in which case ... glad I don't know you personally.

That's wrong, Ahuli. Jesus said:

He gave us the commandments we ought to follow (and if you notice, they are literally the ten commandments condensed into a simple sentence or two).
!

All you have to do now is show where condensing the ten into HIS simple synopsis means they are no longer valid. Thank you.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

The flesh profits nothing.

We either have past from death to life, and walk in the Spirit of God and are NOT IN THE FLESH- which means we 1) have put to death our flesh so it does not need to rest 2) have ceased from our own works so we are resting and it is Christ living in us.

OR

We are still in our sins, still in our flesh and doing our own works and have need to physically rest because we are our flesh.

this is about WORK. Now the works of Christ were never against sabbath- mercy, love, faith,. All that Jesus did was never against sabbath because He walked in faith and love and mercy and truth.

this is about self works. If you live in your own self works you have not ceased from your works like God did from his, you are not trusting him and leaning on him but relying on self.- then you are under the law and need a weekly sabbath.

But if you have died and been buried with him, and it is his life that you live then you LIVE by faith IN THE REST because you have stopped your own works ALWAYS and forever.

TODAY is ALWAYS THE DAY TO REST.

 

[Ahuli]

The flesh profits nothing.

We either have past from death to life, and walk in the Spirit of God and are NOT IN THE FLESH- which means we 1) have put to death our flesh so it does not need to rest 2) have ceased from our own works so we are resting and it is Christ living in us.

OR

We are still in our sins, still in our flesh and doing our own works and have need to physically rest because we are our flesh.

this is about WORK. Now the works of Christ were never against sabbath- mercy, love, faith,. All that Jesus did was never against sabbath because He walked in faith and love and mercy and truth.

this is about self works. If you live in your own self works you have not ceased from your works like God did from his, you are not trusting him and leaning on him but relying on self.- then you are under the law and need a weekly sabbath.

But if you have died and been buried with him, and it is his life that you live then you LIVE by faith IN THE REST because you have stopped your own works ALWAYS and forever.

TODAY is ALWAYS THE DAY TO REST.

This is about the ten commandment law of God. Show me from scripture where this law is no longer valid and we can do as we please, break it as we please, stomp on it as we please, sin as we please.

Sin as we please means ... the ten commandments point out our sins and take us to God to ask forgiveness. Without that law, we are no longer sinners, because sin is the transgression of the law. You understand that?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

I do hope you understand how this works.

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15

When the police pull you over, they must tell you which law you have broken, or else they cannot charge you. Understand?

 

[adam332]

The flesh profits nothing.

We either have past from death to life, and walk in the Spirit of God and are NOT IN THE FLESH- which means we 1) have put to death our flesh so it does not need to rest 2) have ceased from our own works so we are resting and it is Christ living in us.

OR

We are still in our sins, still in our flesh and doing our own works and have need to physically rest because we are our flesh.

this is about WORK. Now the works of Christ were never against sabbath- mercy, love, faith,. All that Jesus did was never against sabbath because He walked in faith and love and mercy and truth.

this is about self works. If you live in your own self works you have not ceased from your works like God did from his, you are not trusting him and leaning on him but relying on self.- then you are under the law and need a weekly sabbath.

But if you have died and been buried with him, and it is his life that you live then you LIVE by faith IN THE REST because you have stopped your own works ALWAYS and forever.

TODAY is ALWAYS THE DAY TO REST.

Very romantic, but not based on anything scriptural. The Lord made and sanctified the Seventh day of rest for you. He has included it in His most basic commands. He has uttered over and over that if you love Him you will keep His commandments. He actually had His Holy Spirit write this very command on your heart. As romantic as your reasoning is... it is simply that, man-made reasoning.

 

[Logos57]

Galatians 4:8-12
8) Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9) But now after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10) Ye OBSERVE DAYS, and months, and times, and years.
11) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
In this passage no doubt that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath, and other Jewish Holy Days, because Jesus fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). I myself do try to honor the Sabbath, but how the SDA change the Jewish Sabbath to a Gentile Sabbath and say it is the same, I'm confused. For the Jews start the Sabbath Friday night, not Saturday at midnight as the SDA at least according to Adam, do. I would be careful of given to must interest to the Sabbath, you might as Paul said, fall from Grace.
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Does the Seven Day Adventist Church teach the simplicity of the Gospel of Grace, or a mangled justification by grace and mixture of law, or as the early Church call it Judaizer.

A Christians show the works of faith by love.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.Galatians 5:6, see also Matthew 22:37-40--the law hang on Love.

As Bob and other have tried to tell you, Christ Jesus is our rest (Hebrews 4),
Matthew 11:28-30
28) Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST.
29) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of Me: for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find REST unto your souls.
30) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
But you would have me to be burden with the element of the Jewish Sabbath, oh I fear you greatly, for I’m to learn of Christ Jesus to find REST for my soul.. This is why Jesus said:
Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath. Mark 2:28

Hebrews 4:9-11
9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For he that entereth into His REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.
11) Let us therefore labour therefore to enter into that REST, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
My REST is in Jesus Christ, for when He said it is finished (John 19:30), He was saying the schoolmaster (law) no longer has us under control but the children of God live by faith in Jesus who fulfilled the law and gives us rest. Galatians 3:20-4:7
I’m Abraham’s seed and heir according to promise.

I will not return to this thread as I believe this to be just useless arguments from both sides. I don’t think the Sabbath crowd will allow facts to interrupt their theory.

 

[Sinthesis]

• Gal 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
  
  Gal 5:25 - If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
  Gal 5:26 - Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

:halo

 

[Towiel]

"Resurrection Day - Theologically speaking, the change itself is said to be made for the reason that sunday is the 'Lord's Day of Resurrection' as it officially became designated by Sylvester, Bishop of Rome, in 1624 AD. Again, there are problems with this concept. First, the Messiah mentioned His death and resurrection many times and never mentioned commemorating it or changing the Sabbath because of it. Second, the Almighty has already commemorated the Resurrection in the wave sheaf offering during the spring festival of Unleavened Bread. "

"Day of the Lord - The only time in the Bible where the phrase 'Lord's Day' is used occurs in Revelation chapter one. This is commonly held by Christians to refer to Sunday. Yet the context of the passage and the entire book of Revelation is upon the return of the Messiah and the related events to that occurrence. In the Old Testament, those events are talked numerous times by the phrase 'the Day of the Lord'. This is most likely what is meant by 'Lord's Day' rather than a specific day of the week."

Quoted from 'The Seventh Day of Creation: Observing His Rest" - a long article examining the science and theology of the Sabbath day regarding the Almighty, mankind, and their relationship with one another - located at http://www.exploringsalvation.info/chosen/sabbath.htm.

 

[lars55]

Re: Does day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday

Having looked at most of the posts in this thread, I would ask this simple question. Does the Bible tell us that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday morning? I can't find it anywhere. What I do find is that Sunday morning was when the women discovered the tomb was empty. Jesus had already rose from the dead before Sunday morning.
From investigating this same topic, I found that the Church did not begin to observe Sunday as a day of worship, until the late first century or early second century. When they did begin to observe Sunday, it was based upon two different influences. First was the fact that after the second Jewish revolt against Rome, A.D. 132-135, Rome began a campaign of persecuting all things Jewish. Judaism began an illegal religion after this revolt. It was illegal to possess copies of the Torah, circumcise their sons, or meet on the Sabbath. This was a motivating factor for the Church to move its worship from the Sabbath to the Sun's Day, to avoid the persecution of Rome. Also around this same time, the sun cult, Sol Invictus, was gaining a huge following. This sun-worshiping cult had the Sun's Day for its day of honoring Mithras, the Sun's visible representative, their messiah.
This is why and when the early Church began to observe Sunday as its day of worship, at least the churches in the West. They then had to have a valid reason to make this shift. They then began to teach that Jesus rose from the dead on this day, even though there isn't any real proof for it.
So if Jesus didn't rise from the dead on Sunday morning, then when did he? I found a great book that details this whole topic. It is called The Only Sign Given. It can be found at http://www.onlysigngiven.com.

 

[Hobie]

Galatians 4:8-12
8) Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9) But now after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10) Ye OBSERVE DAYS, and months, and times, and years.
11) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
In this passage no doubt that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath, and other Jewish Holy Days, because Jesus fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). I myself do try to honor the Sabbath, but how the SDA change the Jewish Sabbath to a Gentile Sabbath and say it is the same, I'm confused. For the Jews start the Sabbath Friday night, not Saturday at midnight as the SDA at least according to Adam, do. I would be careful of given to must interest to the Sabbath, you might as Paul said, fall from Grace.
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Does the Seven Day Adventist Church teach the simplicity of the Gospel of Grace, or a mangled justification by grace and mixture of law, or as the early Church call it Judaizer.

A Christians show the works of faith by love.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.Galatians 5:6, see also Matthew 22:37-40--the law hang on Love.

As Bob and other have tried to tell you, Christ Jesus is our rest (Hebrews 4),
Matthew 11:28-30
28) Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST.
29) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of Me: for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find REST unto your souls.
30) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
But you would have me to be burden with the element of the Jewish Sabbath, oh I fear you greatly, for I’m to learn of Christ Jesus to find REST for my soul.. This is why Jesus said:
Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath. Mark 2:28

Hebrews 4:9-11
9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For he that entereth into His REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.
11) Let us therefore labour therefore to enter into that REST, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
My REST is in Jesus Christ, for when He said it is finished (John 19:30), He was saying the schoolmaster (law) no longer has us under control but the children of God live by faith in Jesus who fulfilled the law and gives us rest. Galatians 3:20-4:7
I’m Abraham’s seed and heir according to promise.

I will not return to this thread as I believe this to be just useless arguments from both sides. I don’t think the Sabbath crowd will allow facts to interrupt their theory.

And yet scriptures still holds the Commandments as in force and valid.....

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Day of worship - you can't but help worship the Lord 7 days a week in the Sabbath rest. However, the day of worship seems to be tied up with what is mistakenly called a change in the Sababth from Saturday to Sunday. You can no more change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - as you can reorder the days of the old creation upon which the Sabbath is based.

BINGO!!!!

If the weekly "sabbath" is still required, then the ORIGINAL schedule would still apply (as observed by the "Sabbatarianist Denominations") - i.e. Sundown Friday till Sundown Saturday.

If it doesn't matter, then Tuesday is as good a day as any to gather in church - except that most of us are working at our "day Jobs" then. In Christendom, Sunday is when the church is open, so it's a Fine time to get together, but there's no reason to tie it IN ANY WAY to the historic "Sabbath", or apply any of the "Sabbath restrictions" to it.

 

[Ahuli]

• Gal 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
  
  Gal 5:25 - If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
  Gal 5:26 - Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

:halo

Which law?

 

[Ahuli]

Day of worship - you can't but help worship the Lord 7 days a week in the Sabbath rest. However, the day of worship seems to be tied up with what is mistakenly called a change in the Sababth from Saturday to Sunday. You can no more change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - as you can reorder the days of the old creation upon which the Sabbath is based.

BINGO!!!!

If the weekly "sabbath" is still required, then the ORIGINAL schedule would still apply (as observed by the "Sabbatarianist Denominations") - i.e. Sundown Friday till Sundown Saturday.

If it doesn't matter, then Tuesday is as good a day as any to gather in church - except that most of us are working at our "day Jobs" then. In Christendom, Sunday is when the church is open, so it's a Fine time to get together, but there's no reason to tie it IN ANY WAY to the historic "Sabbath", or apply any of the "Sabbath restrictions" to it.

You can and should worship any time and all times. Does the fourth commandment tell you to do that? What does it tell you to do?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"You can and should worship any time and all times. Does the fourth commandment tell you to do that?"

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Not related - The "Commandment" told the Israelites under the OLD covenant to observe the weekly sabbath as detailed in the Word.

What does it tell you to do?

Simple: NOTHING it's a "Day of rest" (which keeps it "holy").

Next question???

 

[Ahuli]

"You can and should worship any time and all times. Does the fourth commandment tell you to do that?"

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Not related - The "Commandment" told the Israelites under the OLD covenant to observe the weekly sabbath as detailed in the Word.

What does it tell you to do?

Simple: NOTHING it's a "Day of rest" (which keeps it "holy").

Next question???

Then you do know what it is. 'magine that!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Then you do know what it is. 'magine that!

Well SURE I do -

And since the Sabbath "day" is a type of Christ, and since I "Rest" in Christ for my salvation, I also do "Nothing" to earn it (which is what it' was all about to begin with). Keeping the "Sabbath" is in one respect more important than other commandments, since if one foolishly "works" for his salvation, then Jesus is of no value to him at all - regardless of what "profession" he makes. Many "Faith only" denominations teach by inference that "Works" are necessary to MAINTAIN salvation (although none of 'em would be honest enough to admit that).

Oh - and there are NO "Special days" any more - and never WERE anyway for us gentiles.

Of course the question in the O.P. was related to "Sunday Worship" - and none of this has anything to do with THAT at all. Sunday isn't the "Sabbath", and never was.

 

[Ahuli]

Then you do know what it is. 'magine that!

Well SURE I do -

And since the Sabbath "day" is a type of Christ, and since I "Rest" in Christ for my salvation, I also do "Nothing" to earn it (which is what it' was all about to begin with). Keeping the "Sabbath" is in one respect more important than other commandments, since if one foolishly "works" for his salvation, then Jesus is of no value to him at all - regardless of what "profession" he makes. Many "Faith only" denominations teach by inference that "Works" are necessary to MAINTAIN salvation (although none of 'em would be honest enough to admit that).

Oh - and there are NO "Special days" any more - and never WERE anyway for us gentiles.

Of course the question in the O.P. was related to "Sunday Worship" - and none of this has anything to do with THAT at all. Sunday isn't the "Sabbath", and never was.

A type of Christ? Or did you mean a memorial to creation and God's creative power? Of course, that is what it tells you in so many words. Does obedience to God mean you are earning something or does it mean you love HIM?

“If you love me you will keep my commandments" John 14:15

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Keeping them, He says, means you love HIM. Nothing about resting.