What's new
By:
Filters
Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • Focus on the Family

    Strengthening families through biblical principles.

    Focus on the Family addresses the use of biblical principles in parenting and marriage to strengthen the family.

    Read daily articles from Focus on the Family in the Marriage and Parenting Resources forum.

  • The Gospel of Jesus Christ

    Heard of "The Gospel"? Want to know more?

    There is salvation in no other, for there is not another name under heaven having been given among men, by which it behooves us to be saved."

    Read The Gospel Online.

  • Site Restructuring

    The site is currently undergoing some restructuring, which will take some time. Sorry for the inconvenience if things are a little hard to find right now.

    Please let us know if you find any new problems with the way things work and we will get them fixed. You can always report any problems or difficulty finding something in the Talk With The Staff / Report a site issue forum.

Does God control sin?

Donations

Total amount
$1,642.00
Goal
$5,080.00
Donate View
SolaScriptura said:
In what way does God "control" mass murders, serial killers and rapists?

How can God be said to "control" these heneous sins like what Hitler did?
Click to expand...
Did not heneous things happen to Job? Did not God tell Satan that: Job 1:12 And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person"

And then the second time did not God tell Satan: Job 2:6 And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life."

God controlled all that happened by restraining Satan to only so much leeway.

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

If God controls and restrains Satan, He certainly controls and restrains those above in Ephesians.
 
SolaScriptura said:
I am not too interested in the twists by some of the so called Reformed
Click to expand...
In other words, if they give you a answer you don't like or that might cause you to re-thing your own view, then you are not interested in it. This is what is known as Confirmation Bias.
Confirmation Bias, people’s tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. It results in a person ignoring, dismissing and attacking information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. These beliefs can include a person’s expectations in a given situation and their predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when an issue is highly important or self-relevant.
 
Whatever said:
Did not heneous things happen to Job? Did not God tell Satan that: Job 1:12 And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person"

And then the second time did not God tell Satan: Job 2:6 And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life."

God controlled all that happened by restraining Satan to only so much leeway.

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

If God controls and restrains Satan, He certainly controls and restrains those above in Ephesians.
Click to expand...

Read the OP to see how CONTROL is defined.

Job was NOT a mass murderer, or a serial rapist, or Hitler!

You don't even understand what I have written!
 
Whatever said:
In other words, if they give you a answer you don't like or that might cause you to re-thing your own view, then you are not interested in it. This is what is known as Confirmation Bias.
Confirmation Bias, people’s tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. It results in a person ignoring, dismissing and attacking information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. These beliefs can include a person’s expectations in a given situation and their predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when an issue is highly important or self-relevant.
Click to expand...

Utter RUBBISH!

The so called "Reformed" teach that God was PLEASED at the fall of Adam and Even, and that He also ORDERED it for His GLORY!

This is TOTAL INSANITY!

Check you facts before you say NONSENSE on here!
 
Whatever said:
In other words, if they give you a answer you don't like or that might cause you to re-thing your own view, then you are not interested in it. This is what is known as Confirmation Bias.
Confirmation Bias, people’s tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. It results in a person ignoring, dismissing and attacking information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. These beliefs can include a person’s expectations in a given situation and their predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when an issue is highly important or self-relevant.
Click to expand...

The Westminster Confession of Faith Blasphemy

The Westminster Confession of Faith Says That God was PLEASED With The Fall of The Human Race. “Our first parents were led astray by the cunning temptation of Satan and sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. It pleased God to allow them to sin, because in his wisdom and holiness he planned to...
christianforums.net

now show that this is in the Bible!
 
SolaScriptura said:

The Westminster Confession of Faith Blasphemy

The Westminster Confession of Faith Says That God was PLEASED With The Fall of The Human Race. “Our first parents were led astray by the cunning temptation of Satan and sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. It pleased God to allow them to sin, because in his wisdom and holiness he planned to...
christianforums.net

now show that this is in the Bible!
Click to expand...
No one needs to answer any of your questions.

The burden of proof is on you.

I have proven from the Bible that God controls sin.

You continue to claim that what I post is blaspemy, but have shown nothing from Scripture to prove this wrong.

There is no consistency with your replies.

You have also stated you would no longer be replying to this thread, yet, here you are.

How can anyone take you seriously?
 
OBJECTION 4: THE DECREE OF GOD MAKES GOD THE CHARGEABLE CAUSE OF SIN

Response: It must be admitted that sin is a part of God’s eternal plan, for he works all things according the counsel of his will (Eph. 1:11). This includes the greatest sin in human history: the murder of the Son of God (cf. Acts 2:22–23; 4:27–28). God did not merely permit the crucifixion; he purposefully and wisely ordained it unto his honor and glory. Similarly, he did not merely allow Joseph’s brothers to sell him into slavery in Egypt but meant their sinful action for his most wise and holy ends (Gen. 45:5–8; 50:20).

Nevertheless, while God ordains the evil choices of free moral agents, he does not thereby incur blame or wickedness, because he does not directly or efficiently cause any evil. He brings about the evil actions of man through secondary causation according to their own wicked desires. God is absolutely sovereign, and man is entirely responsible for his actions.[1]



Biblical Doctrine: A Systematic Summary of Bible Truth
 
SolaScriptura said:
now show that this is in the Bible!
Click to expand...
You seem to need the Bible to spell everything out for you like a systematic theology.

When Revelation says that Jesus was the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, what is that telling us?
It tells us that even before creation, God had a plan for His Son to come and be the sacrificial lamb because He either foreknew or fore-planned that there would be sin to atone for.

God tells us that Satan is a liar and deceiver. Yet God let Satan in the garden to tempt Eve. God would have certainly foreknown what the outcome would be.

Read Daniel 11 where it talks about the Kings of the South and the North.
Dan 11:3 Then a mighty king shall arise, who shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
NIV = Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases.

Dan 11:16 But he who comes against him shall do according to his own will
NIV = The invader will do as he pleases

Dan 11:36 "Then the king shall do according to his own will
NIV = The king will do as he pleases

It is talking about a whole bunch of future events where the bad guys "do as they please" and yet you know it will all come about just as God has determined.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Donations

Total amount
$1,642.00
Goal
$5,080.00
Donate View
Back
Top