Does God exist if most people go to hell?

[Ashua]

What happened to the Bible guaranteeing us free will?

You have free will to think and act as you will. Der Wille Zur Macht.
You have free will in American society. Break the law and your will to murder is recompensed. Your will to steal and to rape does not go with impunity. Walk up to a random stranger and punch him in the face. See if he doesn't return the favor. How much more when you spit in the face of God? You may run a red light or speed if you so will, but there are consequences, for God also has "free will" and he is exercising it on the just and on sinners every day.

 

[Deavonreye]

Divine existence is not contingent on emotionalism. You are putting the carriage before the horse when you form the character and attributes of God after the image of man. You are making yourself the moral arbiter, without credential, in so judging the Creator of all and His absolute moral code in a 21st century westernized ethnocentric declaration of what "good and just and love" is and what "evil, and wickedness, and hatred is.

You are right on the technicality that God rules because He has the power because everything was created by that power, but without Him is no thing created.

I must stipulate that everything I state about the biblical god is due to my firm belief that it isn't at all true [as per what the bible states], and that the most likely reason behind the words are that men alone came up with the concepts found therein, due to ignorance, misunderstanding, miscommunication, and [most probable] personal vandettas against those who opposed them, . . . and the very HUMAN desire to see them repaid for their actions to the utmost of their own primative fury, that being "spending an eternity of pain for working against them [or rather what they saw as the will of their god]".

With that said, I state nothing against any deities because I do not believe that any deity is being exactly characterized in this human work [that eventually became a biblical canon].

 

[darrell]

Someone in their right mind won't murder a person indescriminately. They won't allow their anger to violate someone's rights. They won't allow their desires to go so far as to take another person's stuff. Basically, what I'm getting as is, someone in their right mind won't do something that would cause them a stay in the pen.

I'm going to respond to this in the God...morality thread as it is more applicable there. I may have more input on the subject of the OP here later.

 

[Ashua]

I must stipulate that everything I state about the biblical god is due to my firm belief that it isn't at all true [as per what the bible states], and that the most likely reason behind the words are that men alone came up with the concepts found therein, due to ignorance, misunderstanding, miscommunication, and [most probable] personal vandettas against those who opposed them, . . . and the very HUMAN desire to see them repaid for their actions to the utmost of their own primative fury, that being "spending an eternity of pain for working against them [or rather what they saw as the will of their god]".

With that said, I state nothing against any deities because I do not believe that any deity is being exactly characterized in this human work [that eventually became a biblical canon].

Playing devil's advocate: In a godless reality... Who decides what is moral and what is right? Which culture(s) and civilizations are "good" and which are "evil" and which if it be at all possible are neutral?

 

[Deavonreye]

Playing devil's advocate: In a godless reality... Who decides what is moral and what is right? Which culture(s) and civilizations are "good" and which are "evil" and which if it be at all possible are neutral?

Well, I think it would be hard to decide what constitutes a successful society. Each society has it's own issues, even in America, which is one of the most christian nations on the planet. So, I would just be giving my own opinions. In my opinion, it is appropriate to place quotation marks around "good" and "evil", however, some societies have shown us evidence of that which could be considered "evil", and [again, in my opinion] many of the muslim countries could be placed in that catagory.

 

[Pizzaguy]

The more I read your posts, the more I like you, Deavonreye.

 

[Deavonreye]

The more I read your posts, the more I like you, Deavonreye.

That is quite flattering, Pizzaguy. I apprecate that.

All I say is just my conviction.