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[__ Science __ ] Does Teaching Evolution Promote Atheism in the Classroom?
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Barbarian
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Seeing as Darwin himself wrote that God created the first living things, it was a pretty foolish attempt.
Out of curiosity, did he say who this god was?
From the article.
Barbarian
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The God worshiped by Anglicans. That was his church at the time.
Yeah that guy is pretty weird. Evolution is an observed phenomenon. And as you saw, Darwin assumed God created the first living things.
He's constructed an elaborate fantasy about evolution and has begun to believe it himself.
I'm thinking that he's confused the fact of evolution with common descent.
lifeform
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No, teaching true evolution does not promote atheism. The different races of mankind have all evolved from one man, Adam. Race is evolution. After the flood, peoples are known to be descendants of one of Noah's three sons. All races have evolved from them. The fact that there are different races among mankind is proof that evolution does occur.
Theories that state that mankind evolved from primates and such transformations from single cells to large organisms did occur are teachings contrary to the Biblical truth that the origins of all animals and mankind were that they were created on the fifth and sixth days of the Creation, however.
Theories that state that mankind evolved from primates and such transformations from single cells to large organisms did occur are teachings contrary to the Biblical truth that the origins of all animals and mankind were that they were created on the fifth and sixth days of the Creation, however.
Barbarian
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There are no biological human races now. But there once were several. Neanderthals and Denisovans were genetically different enough to qualify as different races.
The genetic data showing that all living things on Earth have a common ancestor is not part of evolutionary theory. Even Darwin supposed that God created any number of original living things.
Common Creator, yes. Common physical birth ancestor, no.
But have you not seen that K2KE , deep time, and big bang are being preached as fact by athiests? AND That they hate the YEC truth with all their bones? That as the athiests' stories about the unobserved past are taught, the West strays further from God, and indulges more in sin?
Barbarian
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So is Newton's theory of Gravitation. I don't see a point.
That seems to be projection. Most atheists I know don't much care what religious people do, as long as they don't bother other people.
Darwin, who attributed creation to God, showed a huge body of evidence for the past. It's a common delusion among YE creationists that you can't know anything about anything you didn't actually observe. It's demonstrably false.
I notice that over the past few decades, violent crime has dropped rapidly. So your belief is unsupported by evidence.
Gravitation is something ongoing. There is not so much "woulda coulda shoulda" in there, unlike the Athiest Trio. Like "this creature COULD BE the ancestor of this creature" or "it MAY be able to..."
There is far more certainty about gravity because it's actually 1. real 2. Observed/able, repeat/able, and tested/able.
We cannot put the past in a test tube.
The further back in time you go, the more unreliable it is to know what happened in the past. Unless you start with the Bible. K2KE, a product not of Darwin but product of pagans and later alterations by NonChristians , only uses physical stuff to make its theories, it does not start with the Bible.
perhapsimaybecouldness index (PCMI):
a measure of the amount of speculation in an evolutionary explanation. Exercising their confability, some evolutionary scientists and reporters use the power of suggestion to promote Darwin futureware. Usually revealed by the number of hedging words in their writings (could, would, should, may have, might have, maybe, possibly, probably, perhaps, suggests).crev.info/dictionary/perhapsimaybecouldness-index-pcmi/
Obviously the athiests would preach the Secular Origin/Age Trio (SOAT) instead of a different view on origins & age because it lends credulity to their belief. They wouldnt want Genesis.
Not all of them, but a large amount. Definitely much of the "new" athiests.
You are strawmanning now. A superior and true teaching is that the further back in time you go, the less reliable the knowledge of what happened the past becomes, APART FROM the Bible. And that we can only make best guesses about the past apart from the Bible.
The 'we didnt observe it' is an argument against the scientificity of something. Science involves observation.
Under your logic, was WW2 scientifically testable?
We can't observe WW2 happening but we know it happened. It is, then, not science.
If we can reliably know events that supposedly happened uber amount of time ago, why don't we know how Stonehenge and pyramids were built?? We can somehow know AND trust events oodles of time ago where no humans were, but we know little or nothing about more recent things with humans around????? How absurd.
The only reason Christians can and do know the universe's origin, bioligcal life's origin, its diversity's origin, and age is because of the Genesis History. Trying to extrapolate what happens/ed in the present into the imagined "deep time" ('ills of years) is erroneous.
Anything relating to "6,500 years ago" or older - is unreliable because we have zero corroboration. And things less than 6,500 years are anchored because of the Bible.
Strawmen (like yours) are demonstrably weaker than the real deal.
Sin and crime are not the same. Plus you said 'violent' crime so what about other types of crime?
Barbarian
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Just like evolution. We see it happening all around us.
Like "it is believed that gravity causes rotational motion of galaxies?" You're thinking about microgravity. Everyone admits microgravity. But you're trying to extrapolate that to macrogravity, and the distant past. This is why gravitationists use "woulda coulda shoulda" in there.
There is far more certainty about evolution because it's actually
1. real
2. Observed/able, repeat/able, and tested/able.
We cannot put gravity in a test tube. But we can test evolutionary theory.
Most atheists I know don't much care what religious people do, as long as they don't bother other people. I see far more aggressive behavior by religious extremists than by atheists.
Show us some numbers.
It's a common delusion among YE creationists that you can't know anything about anything you didn't actually observe.
You're wrong. For example, even honest YE creationists admit that the large number of transitional fossils and fossil series of transitionals is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." But many YE creationists argue "were you there to see it?" I understand why. It's all they have against the evidence.
Observation of the evidence is why scientists accept evolution. It's directly observed. Would you like some examples?
No, that's false. For example, we know that there was a huge regional flood in the Middle East many thousands of years ago. We have found human settlements on floor of the Black Sea, and geologists have a great deal of physical evidence showing when and where it happened.
violent crime has dropped rapidly. So your belief is unsupported by evidence
Violence is sinful. The homicide rate has declined markedly at the same time you think sin has increased. Rape has declined. Perhaps our society is less prone to violence against others, and inclines toward other sorts of sin. Can you show that sin is increasing other than those forms of sin that are unlawful?
Only alleles changing.
But not ostriches turning into reptiles, or salamanders giving rise to fish and frogs.
It is almost certain that God set the galactic matter in motion around their central black hole/s and let it spin. Much more likely than time and chance forming highly complex, intricate, fine tuned structures.
Oh? Haven't heard of micro vs macro gravity.
a source?
Only if you are discussing alleles changing. Or one species generating another.
More DNA quantity/quality, intact --> a big chance for less DNA quantity/quality, less chance of being intact.
K2KE MUST rely on Insertion Mutations. That's how they would get the instructions to make novel features. No beaks in a Trex? Well it needs to acquire the DNA from, well, whatever gives birth to it. And then pass it on, hoping for the beak DNA to get a lucky upgrade. It should not 'cheat' by stealing it from actual birds or whatever.
Problem is, you need oodles of time. Lol
Oh? American athiests, humanist organizations, satan temple, athiesmandthecity blog, I can go on....
Most of it is on the Islam or catholic side. Ie, wicth hunts & jihads.
See above. And I doubt surveyors like Pew would bother.
Please tell me how this isn't a strawman.
Only one YEC is singular, not plural.
It's an argument against the belief that guessing about history is operational science.
Yes, like when the peppered moth's allele changed from black to white. No new info was made, a certain gene changed and a certain attribute was edited. It's like going into the code and fiddling with a number. You made nothing, you only edited something existing.
K2KE involves throwing brand new bits of code around and hoping for the best. Like "car_Val=7" or "[[{whenThkdoruns:
)))"
Given the 2 examples, we can see how sloppy Evo of the K2K kind would be. If computer code gets that result, just imagine if someone tried doing that to DNA. Oh boy.
Which is better, putting code through a Random Character Generator, or using your intelligence to make code that produces reliable code, instead of code that uses trial and error to try and make "better" code?
The flood covered more than just your favorite region. The absolute language doesn't give it away?
Yah.
Non-crime sin has increased.
Apparently you dont know about the anti isreal protests, BLM riots, increased lgtbq stuff, increase secularism & interest in occuLt, average Christians knowing progressively less & less about their faith, etc etc.
This is despite the sin problem. And besides, plenty of this kind of crime goes unnoticed. You don't think the baddies are upping their game??Violence is sinful. The homicide rate has declined markedly at the same time you think sin has increased. Rape has declined. Perhaps our society is less prone to violence against others, and inclines toward other sorts of sin. Can you show that sin is increasing other than those forms of sin that are unlawful?
What you see here is like natural selection but it's "selecting against" the less competent criminals!
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Barbarian
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If that happened, evolutionary theory would be in big trouble. But we do see abundant evidence for reptiles to mammals, frogs from salamanders, etc.
Darwin's great discovery was that it's not by chance. Turns out, evolutionary processes are more efficient than design for very complex problems. Engineers now use them for just that purpose.
For example, even honest YE creationists admit that the large number of transitional fossils and fossil series of transitionals is "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."
The truth about evolution
A blog about the creation/evolution debate from the president of Core Academy of Science.
toddcwood.blogspot.com
Want more?
Microgravity is gravity that acts quickly enough so we can observe it in a lifetime. Macrogravity is gravity that takes long enough that no one can observe it. Pretty much like the YE redefinition of microevolution and macroevolution.
That's all that's necessary for common descent. What else did you think it was? And of course we can observe the evidence from past events to learn about them. It's a common delusion among YE creationists that you can't know anything about anything you didn't actually observe.
How many times have YE creationists tried to dismiss evidence by "were you there to see it?" C'mon.
This is why gravitationists use "woulda coulda shoulda" in there.
'We just discovered the impossible': Giant young galaxies shake up our understanding of the early universe
James Webb Space Telescope spotted massive, early galaxies that could force scientists to rethink how the first galaxies formed after the Big Bang.
www.astronomy.com
There is far more certainty about evolution because it's actually
1. real
2. Observed/able, repeat/able, and tested/able.
For example, Huxley, well over 100 years ago, predicted that there must have been feathered dinosaurs from which birds evolved. And now, we have many examples of them. Scientists predicted that there must have been transitional forms between primitive salamanders and frogs, based on genetics and anatomical features. Eventually, they found the transitional form:
Gerobatrachus - Wikipedia
All observable, open to check by other scientists, and easily testable.
But of course, there's the "were you there to see it" complaint that we can't know anything we weren't there to see happen.
No, it's a last-ditch attempt to dismiss evidence.
Yeah. Evolution never makes anything completely new. It's always a modification of something that went before. That's how it works.
According to engineers, evolutionary processes work better for very complex problems.
1.Start with suboptimal condition.
2. Randomly generate slight modifications.
3. Select only the best-performing modifications, and use them for the next generation.
4. Go back to step 2 until a satisfactory result is found.
Just as it works in nature. God knows best.
But actual evolutionary processes work better than design for complex problems. Might seem sloppy, but they work better than anything else we can do.
Barbarian
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That would be possible only if you redefined Hebrew words to fit. It says "land", not "whole world."
Crime has dropped rapidly, so your assumption contradicts the evidence.
Do you have any numbers to support your assumption?
Every time there's an Israeli-Arab war, a few radicals on both sides have protests. And sometimes, Muslims or Jews are physically attacked. That's nothing new, either. They caught most of the guys who were trying to stir up riots at BLM demonstrations. They were less interested in theft or violence than in furthering white nationalist goals. Which, admittedly could be sin.
LGBTQ has always been with us. Mostly, they just don't hide it now. And with some Christian denominations now dabbling in creationism, political activities, flat Earth, and other stuff, it's not hard to see why a lot of Churchgoing people no longer understand what we're here for.
You think criminals are getting smarter, relative to the rest of us? Evidence?