Does the devil need to get God's permission?

[iLOVE]

Does the devil need to get God's permission to attack a believer?

 

[Willie T]

Well, he did in the book of Job. And most of ancient Judaism believed so, since that is what was taught.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I don't know.
Do we need permission from God to attack someone?
In Genesis 6, people believe that angels became men and had sex with women and had babies.
As far fetched as that sounds to me, did those angels get permission from God before they did this?

 

[SpagLard]

Difficult question,..
Do you (the OP_ ) think Lucifer is synonymous to Satan ?

Is the free will of the fallen angel the same as the free will of man ?
Does man commit evil acts without gods permission ?

free will does not mean "do as much evil as thou will" ,
I think it means God gave free will to enable mankind to choose to do right consciously, wholeheartedly.
Likely a free choice / intent is so important to God,
because he needs people to want to be with God and be determined by their willpower,
not follow blindly , but actively choose to do so.

So to conclude, i'd answer No.
God does not permit Satan to do evil, but the god given free will of man (and angel's) allows for it.

 

[smaller]

Does the devil need to get God's permission to attack a believer?

Satan and his minions have access domain via temptations, to temporal flesh.

Noted in Mark 4:15 (and in many other citings.)

The devil is connected to every sin. 1 John 3:8. Blinds every unbeliever in their minds. 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2

To say this doesn't happen to us would be a form of Word blockage/theft already in the mind of those who claim immunity. A "standard" measure of who is truthful to Word disclosures and who "can't be" because of the fact of it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

You have to understand these verses.

Romans 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all - how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?

Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

We may have the same purpose as his own Son in this life, but we will be given all things in the afterlife. It may not be that dramatic for most believers, but some of us are called to be that sacrifice. My faith is as Job's faith, and I don't think any Christian should be any less.

 

[ezra]

God allows to some degree but gives us the ability to resit .a lot of things i dont understand but i do not believe he can take our physical life nor can he take our salvation away . we are under satanic attack warfare Ephesians 6:12 Revelations chapter 12 the same chapter tells us how we can overcome him .peter calls him our adversary is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour .peter also says we resist him by faith
1 Peter 5:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.{ Blinds every unbeliever in their minds. 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2} i agree with this but he can not blind a child of God unless we allow him

 

[smaller]

The marks of Satanic manipulations glare all of us as believers squarely in the face today.

Divisions. Hypocrisy. Self justifications. These are open larger Satanic hallmarks of internal infestation of believers. This is the picture of 'the churches' today, which is also a reflection of the "members."

Nevertheless, this is where we were Divinely Brought, for good reasons, in the finality of Christ. Powerless and weak are "signs" of God in Christ's return.

Deuteronomy 32:36
For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

Echoed by Paul, directly from God's Lips, here:

2 Corinthians 12:
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Paul's weakness was a "messenger of Satan" in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7

This is also the "lot" of us, today.

 

[ezra]

This is also the "lot" of us, today.

amen

 

[smaller]

amen

Which always brings us back to our reasons of NEED in Christ, making Him even more Precious in our sights.

 

[smaller]

I might even observe that the redeemed Church members will be a church of very weak members. I'm smelling The Victory of God in Christ as an ever nearer reality looking at all of you...ooops, I meant to say, MYSELF!

Maybe even in this way of "divisions" our real factual weaknesses are being exposed? Our "personal power" has left the premises.

 

[smaller]

Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood,

the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

Following the trail of Word/Bread crumbs, to here:

Revelation 12:16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Believe it or not, the above is an identical picture of Paul, in 2 Cor. 12:7

The earth, Paul's body of FLESH, swallowed up the messenger of Satan therein and was brought to his own cross, in death. This is also a picture of the "woman" above, the church members in our encounters with the enemy of our souls and the meaning behind our respective crosses.

It is quite beautiful, in my eyes, you martyrs of Christ, in this direction.

Psalm 44:22
Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

The real question is posed in vs. 35.

and the result:

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

One of these days we might even lay down our theological armaments of mass destruction to each others. Imagine THAT!

 

[Corn Pop]

Do you think if satan wanted to do something and the Most High was against it, satan has more power than the Most High?

The Most High confirms in scripture everything is done through him. He says he created evil. Something most people dont like to believe because they believe God is not to be feared and is just a big cuddly teddy bear who is full of Love.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think...Satan attacks believers and un-believers alike. Those who are in the world are Satan's until+unless they repent. The difference is that when Satan attacks believers, we can turn to Christ for forgiveness and protection.
I do believe in Spiritual Warfare, so...my take is that Satan works within limits set by God, but those limits vary from person to person, place to place, situation to situation. Ever noticed how when somebody gets truly saved there seems to be a backlash? I thought about it, and I think perhaps that's God accelerating the spiritual growth process a bit by allowing some unpleasant spiritual things to happen.

I'm actually reading/skimming a book by Chip Ingram, The Invisible War...he says that we can give Satan turf in the ongoing battle through our own sins. Makes sense, and he provides some Scriptural support.

 

[smaller]

I think...Satan attacks believers and un-believers alike. Those who are in the world are Satan's until+unless they repent. The difference is that when Satan attacks believers, we can turn to Christ for forgiveness and protection.
I do believe in Spiritual Warfare, so...my take is that Satan works within limits set by God, but those limits vary from person to person, place to place, situation to situation. Ever noticed how when somebody gets truly saved there seems to be a backlash? I thought about it, and I think perhaps that's God accelerating the spiritual growth process a bit by allowing some unpleasant spiritual things to happen.

I'm actually reading/skimming a book by Chip Ingram, The Invisible War...he says that we can give Satan turf in the ongoing battle through our own sins. Makes sense, and he provides some Scriptural support.

How would we have even known, had the predecessors of faith not told us?

The Words of the Apostles continue to make the witnessing of Christ. That is why they are so important and their words, considered as authoritative scripture.

Luke 1:
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Romans 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

It was in fact Satan IN THE MEN who pinned and pierced His Hands and Feet to His Cross, attempting, VAINLY, to silence Him!

It did not work! And the same attempts are made against us as well.

 

[smaller]

Do you think if satan wanted to do something and the Most High was against it, satan has more power than the Most High?

The Most High confirms in scripture everything is done through him. He says he created evil. Something most people dont like to believe because they believe God is not to be feared and is just a big cuddly teddy bear who is full of Love.

There is a basis to GREATLY fear God, provided by Paul in the sight of himself "and" the messenger of Satan in his own flesh from 2 Cor. 12:7. ONE of those parties God tolerates, but DOES in fact HATE. This is the basis of legitimate fear. Paul even described this fear as 'known terror.' I know this as well, from personal experience.

2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

There is no "personal basis" to FEAR God, if that "terror" is laid upon some other guy, is there? We don't really know "terror" if it's not made "personal." When we view Paul's sight of himself, we have a "basis" to understand it, personally. And yes, it is quite terrifying, personally. I might even describe it as quaking fear. Or "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" as also noted by Paul in Phil. 2:12.

There is A BASIS of fear, of trembling, of KNOWN TERROR, and that is upon the messenger of Satan in our own flesh, proven via the avenues of temptations within. Any honest believer can fully assess this matter for themselves, personally. They should find themselves not "alone" in the flesh, but also with some form of our ADVERSARY.

And everyone said....oh....no...not me Lord. Uh, yes, you too.

This identical correlation is set before our eyes in the execution of the TWO THIEVES on the cross. One, a believer (even though a basic and classic deathbed confession) and the other, not. Even on His Right Hand and His Left.

If we insert Paul's picture of himself from 2 Cor. 12:7 we can see the same picture, internally. The messenger of Satan>Christ in the midst of Paul<and Paul as a believer.

We can make the identical correlation in the laying on of hands. For example, when we witness, we witness to TWO parties. The person, and the ADVERSARY, pictured here, by Paul:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

In this equation, there is the PERSON being witnessed to, and the power of Satan upon their minds and hearts, blinding them to the Good News.

The person get's the RIGHT HAND witness, which is LIFE IN CHRIST by His Spirit in them. Satan get's the LEFT HAND witness, which is "his coming destruction." Our witness is to bring THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST into the midst of that captive.

This is what "laying on of hands" means, in everyday practical terms. It is no different of a picture of the two thieves on either side of Christ or Paul and the messenger of Satan in his own flesh.

It's ALL the same message and intent.

It is this same package that we bring to our own respective crosses, no different than Paul

The messenger of Satan in the flesh >The Spirit of Christ in our midst< the believer.

All three go to the respective cross. Only 1 is saved. Only 1 is our Savior.

The other will not be moving on.

 

[iLOVE]

Did Satan need permission for the massacre of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School? What about the attacks on 911? What about the Paris attacks tonight? What made the hedge come down?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Did Satan need permission for the massacre (children) at Sandy Hook Elementary School? about the attacks on 911? What about the Paris attacks tonight? What made the hedge come down?

Our love of guns and killing.

 

[smaller]

Did Satan need permission for the massacre of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School? What about the attacks on 911? What about the Paris attacks tonight? What made the hedge come down?

There is a dire lesson for believers in acts of evil. God can and does harden Satan, and does so IN MAN.

 

[Brother Mike]

Difficult question,..
Do you (the OP_ ) think Lucifer is synonymous to Satan ?

Is the free will of the fallen angel the same as the free will of man ?
Does man commit evil acts without gods permission ?

free will does not mean "do as much evil as thou will" ,
I think it means God gave free will to enable mankind to choose to do right consciously, wholeheartedly.
Likely a free choice / intent is so important to God,
because he needs people to want to be with God and be determined by their willpower,
not follow blindly , but actively choose to do so.

So to conclude, i'd answer No.
God does not permit Satan to do evil, but the god given free will of man (and angel's) allows for it.

In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(1Co 5:4-5 KJV)

With the power of who? To use who to destroy someone?

You need to rethink this.

Did Satan need permission for the massacre of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School? What about the attacks on 911? What about the Paris attacks tonight? What made the hedge come down?

Was there a hedge to start? Jesus did explain this.

Mike.