Does this line up with the bible?

[sushilp3585]

Instead of being sorry about my sins to God and asking for his forgiveness, would it be better to ask and repent? What I mean is since we have to repent for our sins, is it better to repent and then ask God for forgiveness for our sin(s)? Does that not make it look more like we are willing to change our ways rather than praying every day asking God for forgiveness? I know the bible says that I must ask God for forgiveness and repent, however, repenting does not mean being sorry; it means to change your ways. What are your guy's thoughts on this? By the way, when I say do not have to pray for forgiveness, I don't mean give up praying altogether.

Thanks for your opinion in advance

 

[sushilp3585]

What?!?!? Why did my link not post? Anyways, I guess it makes sense. I am still confused lol. But I get that I won't be perfect and will wait for God's grace to change me. Doesn't mean I like it though as they are pretty bad sins.

 

[Hopeful]

To reply to the part where you said "was a lie to God," doesn't God look at our hearts and understand what we truly meant?

Yes He does...if you will actually "turn from" sin.
Otherwise, as it is written in 1 Peter 3:12..."For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil."

Please clarify if this is not the correct thinking. I have been watching sermons that say you do not have to pray correctly (meaning he knows your true intentions). Also if God is all-knowing, would he not know if I truly meant to repent and just struggling?

The only alternative to a true repentance from sin, is more sinning.
To God, it is black or white.
Make the proper choice.

If you have time, please look at the link that I have shared in this thread and let me know if I am correct or what the correct thought process is. Thank you.

The "thought process" is between you and God.
If you don't want to sin, don't commit sin.
God will provide teachers for those who want to be free.
As it is written..."And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" (Eph 4:11-12)

You are in my prayers.

 

[Hopeful]

There is no such thing as sinless perfection until this corruptible has put on incorruptible and this mortal has put on immortality.

Sorry you feel that way.
Further addressing this post would be a derail.
But I would welcome a new thread centered on this new topic.

1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The word "holiness" means set apart or purposefully different. It doesn't mean "perfection". God being holy and perfect means He is completely different than the imperfect world we live in and He is perfect, meaning He upholds every aspect of righteousness all the time because He is God. It is that same perfection that is seen in the Father that we strive for everyday of our lives here on earth. We are made righteous by that of God's righteousness as our own is as a filthy rag to God.

While here on earth we do strive to be holy as we draw closer to God and learn of Him, but yet we will never achieve full perfection until this corruptible puts on incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality. This can only happen when Christ returns and we are changed by the Holy Spirit to be then made perfect as we are caught up into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.

God knows we will stumble and fall short at times as we are yet humans, but God is greater than the mistakes we make and is always there to pick us up, dust us off and set our feet straight again when we humble ourselves before Him. All our sins have been forgiven and we have been made clean again in our spirit by the blood of Christ as we are Spiritually born again from above and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.

 

[sushilp3585]

Yes He does...if you will actually "turn from" sin.
Otherwise, as it is written in 1 Peter 3:12..."For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil."

The only alternative to a true repentance from sin, is more sinning.
To God, it is black or white.
Make the proper choice.

The "thought process" is between you and God.
If you don't want to sin, don't commit sin.
God will provide teachers for those who want to be free.
As it is written..."And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" (Eph 4:11-12)

You are in my prayers.

Thank you for clearing that up and for keeping me in your prayers.

 

[Hopeful]

Thank you for clearing that up and for keeping me in your prayers.

You are welcome.
I don't believe I have ever written to someone from Nepal before.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

 

[sushilp3585]

You are welcome.
I don't believe I have ever written to someone from Nepal before.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Many of them do not speak English or know how to use the net; not the older generations anyways. That is one of the reasons why it is holding me back from going to church here because I do not speak or understand Nepali fluently. Probably a horrible excuse, but that is how I feel besides the fact that I still do not know if God is calling me to go to church now or to wait until I know the basics. For example, knowing what is the truth versus false teachings. There are a lot of things that I need to work out and my perseverance is not helping me much. Also, I still do not know how to truly hear from God. I feel (although it is not dependent apparently) like I am doing the right thing by taking care of my addiction first. However, it is just that; a feeling.

 

[Hopeful]

Many of them do not speak English or know how to use the net; not the older generations anyways. That is one of the reasons why it is holding me back from going to church here because I do not speak or understand Nepali fluently. Probably a horrible excuse, but that is how I feel besides the fact that I still do not know if God is calling me to go to church now or to wait until I know the basics. For example, knowing what is the truth versus false teachings. There are a lot of things that I need to work out and my perseverance is not helping me much. Also, I still do not know how to truly hear from God. I feel (although it is not dependent apparently) like I am doing the right thing by taking care of my addiction first. However, it is just that; a feeling.

The only way to find out is to attend that church.
By going there, you may find out the basics, and find the help you need to fight your addiction, and learn conversational Nepali.
If you are really seeking God, He will make Himself know to you no matter where you are.
By being with Godly people, you will have less time to pander to your addiction too.

 

[for_his_glory]

But I would welcome a new thread centered on this new topic.

Sorry, but there will be no more threads about the false teaching of "sinless perfection" as many of us have shown you many many many times the error in such a teaching as none of it lines up with scripture and only confuses the minds of those like sushilp3585 who is seeking understanding.

None of us are perfect until the events of 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 occurs when we are changed from this fleshly body, where the sin nature dwells, to our new glorified body that can not sin. Until that time we will mess up at times and we have a mediator before the Father in Christ Jesus who will always forgive a humbled heart and helps us to overcome our struggles.

 

[Hopeful]

Sorry, but there will be no more threads about the false teaching of "sinless perfection" as many of us have shown you many many many times the error in such a teaching as none of it lines up with scripture and only confuses the minds of those like sushilp3585 who is seeking understanding.

None of us are perfect until the events of 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 occurs when we are changed from this fleshly body, where the sin nature dwells, to our new glorified body that can not sin. Until that time we will mess up at times and we have a mediator before the Father in Christ Jesus who will always forgive a humbled heart and helps us to overcome our struggles.

The fleshly body is not in control.
It can't be charged with sin, as it is just the vessel of the mind.
You seem to confuse the corruption of the vessel, its aging and deterioration in 1 Cor 15, with sin.
Why?
I personally would hate to think repentance from sin was a joke.

 

[eddif]

2 Timothy 2:18 kjv
18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

We are made perfect at the last trump like For_His_Glory said.

eddif

 

[Golgotha]

Observation: You wrote, "Does that not make it look more like we are willing to change our ways rather than praying every day asking God for forgiveness?"

God doesn't look at our outward appearance but rather He looks at our heart for out of our hearts "proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man." (Matthew 15:19-20 NKJV)

The Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7 NKJV

We are sinful beings and we need to repent from all things sinful. You are correct that repent means to change. It means to change from running away from God to seeking God. It's a complete change of heart, mind, and attitude.

I found this to be a good explanation of repentance.

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? Is repentance a change of mind or a change of direction?

www.gotquestions.org

Hope this helps.

& sushilp3585

I would ask for His forgiveness & His help to repent as in to help me not to do that again, thereby placing my hope in Him for abiding in Him daily.

I read that article and a couple questions comes up for why I believe otherwise.

#1 Don't we need Jesus Christ in us so we can look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin? Hebrew 12:1-2 This seems to be an ongoing daily race with Him.

#2. If so, then isn't the only repentance required for salvation is repenting from unbelief to believing in Jesus Christ for salvation?

It seems that article needs some clarification, because salvation has to be separate from discipleship when we need Him in us so we can run that race with Him.

I knew of a woman long ago that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to Jeus Christ. I do not know why she felt she had to do that when it is His job to destroy the works of the devil in our lives per 1 John 3:3,8 & 2 Timohy 4:18.

I did not have the scriptural reference at the time to show her, but I had told her that. She did not respond then. She must have talked to someone else because the next time I saw her, she was so joyful declaring that I was right. I am glad the Lord raised up someone else to confirm the word I had shared with her.

So expecting sinners to turn from their sins before coming to Jesus might be why some walk away because they see how habitual those sins ae in ruining their lives and they want to stop, but can't, seeing no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak.

I can relate to the series of disappointment of sinners when after I was saved, later on in my life, I was led to believe I needed to make a commitment to make Jesus Lord of my life. By trying to keep that commitment, I was like the Galatians trying to finish by the flesh what was begun with the Spirit. After several more man made bondages in my life as a believer, I was at my wits end and had asked the Lord why He was not helping me even keep my covenant with my mouth not to cuss out at the warehouse alone any more when I was alone.

It was not an audible voice, but I heard His voice saying "You made the covenant. You said you were going to do it. I made the Covenant with you and I said I am going to do it. All I ask from you is to believe in Me".

I was humbled that day. Scriptures did come later to confirm that it was His voice as being from Jesus Christ. Matthew 5:33-37 & Numbers 30:2 & Ecclesiastes 5:4-7 & Galatians 5:1-5 & Philippians 1:6-11 & Hebrews 4:1-16 He has forgiven me and set me free to rest in Him finally for all things since He is my Good Shepherd & Friend to help me to follow Him daily in laying aside every weight & sin in running that race.

Even though He has been with me since salvation for believing in Him, He waited until I was able to receive His word to stop looking to myself in doing the best I can in making Him Lord of my life but rely on Him all the time for His help in following Him.

He still reminds me of my hope in Him for all things in finishing His work in me so I can continually rest in Him again in running that race since salvation.

Now I know we all have different growth spurts and since we are not perfect yet, I am open to correction on this but the questions are there to show where I am at in relation to that article.

Thank you for any confirmation or correction by the scripture you may provide towards my edification in the faith & hope we all have in Jesus Christ.

 

[JLB]

Instead of being sorry about my sins to God and asking for his forgiveness, would it be better to ask and repent? What I mean is since we have to repent for our sins, is it better to repent and then ask God for forgiveness for our sin(s)? Does that not make it look more like we are willing to change our ways rather than praying every day asking God for forgiveness? I know the bible says that I must ask God for forgiveness and repent, however, repenting does not mean being sorry; it means to change your ways. What are your guy's thoughts on this? By the way, when I say do not have to pray for forgiveness, I don't mean give up praying altogether.

Thanks for your opinion in advance

I think you have the right attitude here.


Maybe we could discuss what repent means for the unsaved, to become saved, and what it means for the born again Christian.




JLB

 

[JLB]

I would ask for His forgiveness & His help to repent as in to help me not to do that again, thereby placing my hope in Him for abiding in Him daily

Beautiful word brother. God hears and responds to this humble heart cry from His children.


Amen.


Welcome to the Forum. Glad you found us and glad to have you here.


God bless you and your household.




JLB

 

[JLB]

I believe my real question was how to repent. With the explanations, everyone is saying that I need to repent. If not, I still do not understand. Therefore, I looked up how to repent and got this one among the others. If you guys have time, could you let me know if I am on the right track?

To summarize what I learned from the video and using the example above, I will continue to watch porn even if I have asked God for strength against my temptation until God has finally freed me from this sin. How close am I? Did I get the message correct? Thank you in advance.

You are on the right track.


You persist with God and don’t ever give up, He calls this “FAITH”.


Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, saying: “There was in a certain city a judge who did not fear God nor regard man. Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ”
Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:1-8




JLB

 

[JLB]

What?!?!? Why did my link not post? Anyways, I guess it makes sense. I am still confused lol. But I get that I won't be perfect and will wait for God's grace to change me. Doesn't mean I like it though as they are pretty bad sins.

Grace is the God given ability to do what we can not do without it.

Grace is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Grace who empowers us to live in dominion over the sinful desires of our flesh.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14

• For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

JLB

 

[Golgotha]

Grace is the God given ability to do what we can not do without it.

Grace is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Grace who empowers us to live in dominion over the sinful desires of our flesh.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14

• For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

JLB

& sushilp3585

Seeing as we are always Spirit-filled since salvation, for why we are not leaky vessels ( Matthew 9:17 ) nor ever to thirst & hunger again to be filled since coming to & believing in Jesus Christ,( John 6:35 ), I can attest that Jesus Christ is in us ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) & with us always ( Matthew 28:20 ) that we can always look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ).

I declare my confidence in Jesus Christ to finish His work in us to His glory per Philippians 1:6 and that all the fruits of righteousness are by Jesus Christ per Philippians 1:11 to the glory of God the Father.

*Scripture references as shown below in case one needs to read them as a reminder.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

 

[JLB]

The fleshly body is not in control.
It can't be charged with sin, as it is just the vessel of the mind.
You seem to confuse the corruption of the vessel, its aging and deterioration in 1 Cor 15, with sin.
Why?
I personally would hate to think repentance from sin was a joke.

She did not say repentance from sin was a joke.


Why misrepresent her?


Please do not violate the TOS.


1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)






JLB

 

[Hopeful]

2 Timothy 2:18 kjv
18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
We are made perfect at the last trump like For_His_Glory said.
eddif

I can't wait for my glorified body !

 

[Hopeful]

She did not say repentance from sin was a joke.

I know, but I feel repentance means "turn from", or "change", as my Strong's Concordance says.
If we turn from smoking, we don't smoke anymore...right?
If we do go back to smoking, there was no repentance...right?

Why misrepresent her?
Please do not violate the TOS.
1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)

I have no idea what you are talking about???
If I have offended anyone, I apologize.

 

[eddif]

We see through a glass darkly (like welding goggles ?).

2 Chronicles 7:14 kjv
14. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
15. Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is madein this place.
16. For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
17. And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;
18. Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.
19. But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20. Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

IMHO this is under the law, but with a hint of the Spiritual kingdom of Jesus (in us,and to come).

14,15 seem to be in Israel.
16,17, 18 thy kingdom (man’s kingdom of the law)
19,20 your corrupt can fail

This is not probably Not repentance, although we seem to tie it to repentance.

The law was from Moses? to John the Baptist.
Luke 16:16 kjv
16. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The kingdom of God is in us, and not the works of the law.

We are promised eternal life an not just heal their land.

Do I understand it all? No.
The statutes and judgements are the hidden things of the law. Jesus is the sacrifice lamb etc.

Very tough to wade through symbolism, but yet the true spiritual is in the law.

eddif