Does working very hard really pay?

[Classik]

We have successful people today. Are they successful because they worked harder than the others (the non successful ones).

If you all had worked hard enough you all would have been successful persons. How true?

(reconcile this too: In a bottling company some low paid workers are the ones who do every physical work there, dangerous and hard work.... At the end they receive the least salaries)

 

[Gordon]

Oh this one might start a fight. I see it coming. I would say they either made wiser decisions with their career or they had more connections or both. You can go to college and expect a job stocking shelves at K-mart if you don't pick the right degree. Most low wage jobs are hard work. That said if you understand money and marry someone you can be successful making near nothing. Read Automatic Millionaire.

 

[Hammer]

As a rule of thumb, the less someone is paid, the harder they have to work. Grunts are hustling on the factory/sales floor. Managers stand around and talk. And CEOs are out playing golf.

Success:
1 part hard work
1 part social skill
1 part academic/trade skill
2 parts luck

 

[farouk]

...but remember the awesome responsibilities the higher ups have. The pressures are truly tremendous, sometimes.

 

[Gordon]

Well I worked with a bunch of people that all got promoted. There was this super political situation and some of them were hospitalized for nervous tension and exhaustion. Others flew under the radar and just did less work. If no one is gunning for you it looks a lot better at the top.

 

[Classik]

As a rule of thumb, the less someone is paid, the harder they have to work. Grunts are hustling on the factory/sales floor. Managers stand around and talk. And CEOs are out playing golf. Success:1 part hard work1 part social skill1 part academic/trade skill2 parts luck

2 parts luck? Lol. how about nepotism?

 

[Hammer]

2 parts luck? Lol. how about nepotism?

That's luck, lucky enough to have a nepotist connection.

Hard work alone and you'll be the working poor. Throw in some skill and you can make middle class. But, you can't get rich without luck.

 

[Classik]

Throw in some skill and you can make middle class.

:bigfrown So unfair that majority of the skilled don't smile these days. Companies collapse because the best are not used....rather some bunch of dunno-how-to-loosen-a-screw are unfairly given jobs. Politics and nepotism rule

 

[Classik]

There is a lot of this nonsense in music industries today, soccer etc...nepotism and stupid politics.

 

[Carolyn]

And where are your values? The Bible calls wealth filthy gain. Perhaps the poor social worker who made wise choices in the foster homes he chose for kids--poorer homes with a lot of love but who taught kids responsibility and hard work--causing the social worker to have the highest success rate in the state, was more of a success than the multi millionaire in God's eyes. In this case "success" is staying out of trouble and becoming a contributing member of society. Or the missionary who lived on the same level as the poor people he ministered to but led many hundreds to the Lord and was a living example for them. Sure the people worked hard. But success can be measured in many ways.

Just where are your treasures, you guys? Hard work is important, but spending time with your family might be more important. When you find your kids are grown but you barely know them, and you and your wife have grown apart because you never had time for her, what kind of success are you? I admire the dad that builds good memories with his family, spends quality time with each kid and still has dates with his wife. The guy who leads his family in prayer every day and takes them to church, creating a godly home is a success.

Be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds---hummm , where have we heard this before?

 

[Classik]

And where are your values? The Bible calls wealth filthy gain. Perhaps the poor social worker who made wise choices in the foster homes he chose for kids--poorer homes with a lot of love but who taught kids responsibility and hard work--causing the social worker to have the highest success rate in the state, was more of a success than the multi millionaire in God's eyes. In this case "success" is staying out of trouble and becoming a contributing member of society. Or the missionary who lived on the same level as the poor people he ministered to but led many hundreds to the Lord and was a living example for them. Sure the people worked hard. But success can be measured in many ways. Just where are your treasures, you guys? Hard work is important, but spending time with your family might be more important. When you find your kids are grown but you barely know them, and you and your wife have grown apart because you never had time for her, what kind of success are you? I admire the dad that builds good memories with his family, spends quality time with each kid and still has dates with his wife. The guy who leads his family in prayer every day and takes them to church, creating a godly home is a success. Be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds---hummm , where have we heard this before?

great input :nod

 

[Gordon]

You're totally right. I try to use my job to witness to people when the chance presents itself though it has nothing to do with helping people. If you're making more though you have more you can give.

 

[for_his_glory]

When you give your best effort then it always pays off at the end of the day as when you feel good about yourself then that is the best pay.

 

[Bfnaught]

It depends on your definition on "hard work". If you mean physically hard labor then it doesn't always pay off. If you mean hustle, then it usually does.

My brother in law works in the cafeteria of a hospital. He is kind of a jack of all trades there. Works 12 hour days of nothing but physical labor. He has no dream of anything more. He is content with going home tired and doing it all over again the next day. This guy named Rich that I used to work with is an engineer. Never broke a sweat at work a day in his life. But he took night classes and eventually got his masters degree and spent all his free time working his dream and now he owns his own company, selling equipment he came up with and has patents on. My BiL has burned more calories at work, but Rich has worked harder.