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aimee_747

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I have a friend that uses a pendulum and 'dowses' for information by asking yes or no questions. But she couldn't tell me anything about it. What exactly is dowsing? Is it wrong and how accurate are the answers usually?
 
aimee_747 said:
I have a friend that uses a pendulum and 'dowses' for information by asking yes or no questions. But she couldn't tell me anything about it. What exactly is dowsing? Is it wrong and how accurate are the answers usually?
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It's most commonly used as a means for finding water underground. It's roughly as accurate as a Magic 8 Ball. It would probably be wrong, except I'd think God would too busy laughing at these people to be too upset.

I mean, c'mon, they're asking a stick questions.
 
Maybe He does, but maybe it's not funny when you consider this is divination, and it is a SERIOUS sin, because this person could actually be talking to demons.

I'm not kidding here. Tell your friend, or they might be in real danger...or, if they're not the type to listen, pray for them instead. Pray that God put a hedge of protection around them long enough to open their eyes to the truth.
 
Here are some Scriptures to consider:


Ephesians 6:11,12
Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Deuteronomy 18:9-14
When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritualist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so.

These are the strongest Scriptures on the matter, but by no means all of them. Hope this helps.
 
Ajax 777 said:
Maybe He does, but maybe it's not funny when you consider this is divination, and it is a SERIOUS sin, because this person could actually be talking to demons.
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No, she couldn't. Because dowsing is a crock, along with all other new-age pseudo-Wiccan nonsense. It's not dangerous, it's just silly. She should stop doing it because seeking answers from imaginary spirits is in opposition to God's plan for us, not because demons are going to leap from her Magic Stick and do nasty things to her.
 
Hey Art, it's called spiritual warfare for a reason... and one cannot go to war against an imaginary adversary. Demon spirits are for real and if one continues to open the door for them, rest assured, they WILL come in. That's not good, man. :o


1 John 4:1
 
Paul himself wrote that when you worshipped an idol, demons would often reply, even trapping the believers into fellowship with them, which he did not want for them. Demons most certainly do exist, and you're kidding yourself if you believe that deviating from God's Word can't have dangerous consequences. I myself have demons, and I see the Lord help me overcome them every day.

They aren't metaphors, but we DO have authority over them in Christ. They have given me quite a fight in my struggle with sin, and I'm here to tell you that the love of God will never be overpowered or overshadowed by them.
 
Vic said:
Hey Art, it's called spiritual warfare for a reason... and one cannot go to war against an imaginary adversary. Demon spirits are for real and if one continues to open the door for them, rest assured, they WILL come in. That's not good, man. :o


1 John 4:1
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I will show a proper fear of dowsing-demons the very second someone provides a credible and modern account of their existence. The fact that demons may have plagued people in the OT does not mean that they're still up to mischief today. The fact remains that every - every! - attempt to test the validity of any form of supernatural hoodoo has met with abject failure.


Demons are what weak-minded people appeal to when they don't want to claim responsibility for their actions.

Out of curiosity, what is your opinion of Magic 8-Balls? Harmless toys, or implements of the devil?
 
Ajax 777 said:
They aren't metaphors, but we DO have authority over them in Christ. They have given me quite a fight in my struggle with sin, and I'm here to tell you that the love of God will never be overpowered or overshadowed by them.
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Your fight is not with demons, but with your own sinful inclinations. I know it's comforting to think that it's some evil spirit and not your own desires that drives you to sin, but that's simply not the case. I have struggles with sin as well, and it can be rough, but that doesn't mean the boogeyman is trying to influence me.
 
Any practice of seeking information from "the other side" apart from God is automatically cavorting with demons. You get what you receive, that's why God condemns those practices in Deut 18 and would have them expelled from the land.

I would not downplay what we are up against. It just isn't wise.
 
Not by works, but by faith, ArtGuy.

Responsibility for your actions is only part of it -- your part.

I myself have all the proof I need of their existence. I surely do hope you never have to deal with them. I guarantee you, the threat they pose is very real...but that doesn't mean they act as an excuse for sinning. On the contrary, that is the very means by which they operate. And they're in the NT as well, since Jesus cast many of them out during his ministry. And Paul writes about them in the NT as well.

Yes....the ones who haven't been chained up in the Abyss are indeed still up to their mischief.

Unbelievers and non-Christians discern demonic presences as psychological conditions, like schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder.
Ever hear a thought in your head that you recognized as not your own? If so, what did it say?

Proof isn't gonna happen, unless you get paid a visit by one of these unpleasant critters...they certainly aren't concerned at all with your salvation. They'll just let you think they are.
 
Ajax 777 said:
Unbelievers and non-Christians discern demonic presences as psychological conditions, like schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder.
Ever hear a thought in your head that you recognized as not your own? If so, what did it say?

Proof isn't gonna happen, unless you get paid a visit by one of these unpleasant critters...they certainly aren't concerned at all with your salvation. They'll just let you think they are.
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So... psychological disorders are actually just demonic infestations? Then why is the treatment for such things generally medicine and therapy rather than exorcism and prayer?

And no, I've never had a "thought I didn't recognize as my own".
 
The Word of God says that believers do not battle flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:12

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
Ajax is right about the nature of dowsing, it's divination.
It works by setting the ground conditions for spirits to work.
As a teenager I had a related problem, playing with chinese
cards that very accurately give answers to questions one has.

I could give you my assumptions how it works, however it's better
to talk about the implications. The trick that works on you, while
you believe in a serious deception is, and I talk from experience
not from book knowledge: There will be trust built by accurately
hitting your logic, real questions find real answers that relate
to the question in a near mystical way. Problems get solved.

Until one day when you trust in it, and self-will and ability to make
own decisions is lowered, one serious question pops up - where the
answer leads your whole life in either in one or the other way.

And that was the point when I stopped it, suddenly understanding like
in a sudden shock realization that I nearly was led into the mistake
of a lifetime. The consequences of taking its advice at that time would
have ruined my life most certainly now looking back in time. That's why
it was the first thing I had to repented of after becoming a Christian,
it's a very serious sin.

I was just reminded of this subtle "technique to get you" the other day
while thinking about a false "christian" teaching that may sound right
in the early stages until one final day, where they suggest that you can
take the mark of the beast and still be saved later. That's how Satan
will bring thousands to hell. The deception is so smooth that some
hardly notice, until the day of final consequence comes along where he
pops in just one thing that is so sinister that suddenly turns the tables
where you loose EVERYTHING.
 
I have heard people suggest this as a possibility to learn the gender of a baby still in it's mother's womb. It sickens me, the thought of it, I mean. I think you have been given some very clear counsel here, avoid such forms of divination. As far as accuracy, I have no idea, and would never want to find out. The Lord bless you.
 
ArtGuy said:
I will show a proper fear of dowsing-demons the very second someone provides a credible and modern account of their existence. The fact that demons may have plagued people in the OT does not mean that they're still up to mischief today. The fact remains that every - every! - attempt to test the validity of any form of supernatural hoodoo has met with abject failure.


Demons are what weak-minded people appeal to when they don't want to claim responsibility for their actions.

Out of curiosity, what is your opinion of Magic 8-Balls? Harmless toys, or implements of the devil?
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Hey ArtGuy,

Please look over the following website:

http://www.espministries.com/index2.htm

This is a guy in our church whom I am friends with. He is in his 80's now and grew up in London. He is a Jew. :)

He spent years in the occult and has pictures that I have seen with my own eyes of ectoplasm coming out of people in his seance group.

To say that this stuff is only in the OT (which I don't like the term OT anyways, it is called the Tanakh), is to ignore things like this.

I suggest you purchase his videos or even his book to see the truth of what goes on.
 
Did anybody think that 'dowsing' is merely the magnetic pull of the earth?

I remember my aunts and uncles showing us over a sink how it worked with a pair of pliers. One of my big uncles couldn't stop the plier tip from heading vertical to the water no matter how hard he tried.

I guess they were filled with demons too? :roll:
 
guibox said:
Did anybody think that 'dowsing' is merely the magnetic pull of the earth?

I remember my aunts and uncles showing us over a sink how it worked with a pair of pliers. One of my big uncles couldn't stop the plier tip from heading vertical to the water no matter how hard he tried.

I guess they were filled with demons too? :roll:
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http://www.cnnw.com/articles/articles01-05-1.html

http://www.dowsing-pendulums.com/dowsing.html

http://www.ngwa.org/ngwainwashington/isswitch.html

http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/trad ... ousing.asp

http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html
 
Out of curiosity, I tried "grave dowsing" already. I think it's a crock but that's my opinion. Maybe everyone here thinks its demons or whatever, but I noticed that a subtle (unconscious) change in your wrists even a few microns can cause a shift in the rods to move from gravity. I don't think its so much demons and spiritual warfare as much as suggestibility, which I am not too much so (because I found the reason right away). Well, I really wanted it to work, but it did not.

I think the real spiritual danger is anything that detracts from God can be a problem. It's called idolatry. And I can tell you why it did not work for me if you want a spiritual reason. God pointed out the reason to me and I lost interest. He protects me and I can't screw up my life if I tried. So, for me, case closed. Dowsing is just a superstition and nothing more.
 
We were talking about this the other day in my American folklore class, and instead of calling it "dousing," my teacher - and many others in the class - called it "water witching." The person doing the witching was actually referred to as a "witch."

The entire process sounded kinda supernatural, but not in a godly way, to me. I had warning bells going off in my head the whole time we were talking about it. That's enough for me to want to stay away from it.

By the way, superstitions goes into the whole magic, demons, witchcraft stuff too. So even if "dousing is just a superstition and nothing more," it's still something to be very wary of.
 
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