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Bible Study Earth, not Heaven

Butch5

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In this thread I’d like to make the case for the land inheritance. May believe that the believer will spend eternity in Heaven but that isn’t what the Scriptures teach. The hope of the Christian is the land inheritance promised to Abraham.

14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen 13:14-15 KJV)

God promised that He would give the land to Abraham and his seed as an everlasting possession. God made this promise of the land to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, yet none of them received that land. Stephen states that Abraham didn’t receive the land.

2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

(Act 7:2-5 KJV)

The land was promised to Abraham and his seed. Some claim that this was fulfilled when the Jews went into the Promised Land; however, that is not the case. For one thing when the Jews went into the land, Neither Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob were alive to receive that land. Another reason the Jews going into the promised land cannot have fulfilled this promise is because Paul tells us that the Seed that God was speaking of in that promise was Christ.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ (Gal 3:16 KJV)

The Land was promised to Christ, according to Psalm 2 it is His inheritance.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. {the decree: or, for a decree}
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (Psa 2:7-8 KJV)

Paul also tells us that all things were made for Him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. {for the: or, by the}
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Heb 2:9-10 KJV)

The land is Christ’s inheritance and Paul says of the Christian that they are coheirs with Christ.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom 8:16-17 KJV)

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29 KJV)

Paul says that Seed the promise was made to was Christ and if one is in Christ they are coheirs with Him, they are Abraham’s seed and hers according to the ppromise.
 
In this thread I’d like to make the case for the land inheritance. May believe that the believer will spend eternity in Heaven but that isn’t what the Scriptures teach. The hope of the Christian is the land inheritance promised to Abraham.

14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen 13:14-15 KJV)

God promised that He would give the land to Abraham and his seed as an everlasting possession. God made this promise of the land to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, yet none of them received that land. Stephen states that Abraham didn’t receive the land.

2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

(Act 7:2-5 KJV)

The land was promised to Abraham and his seed. Some claim that this was fulfilled when the Jews went into the Promised Land; however, that is not the case. For one thing when the Jews went into the land, Neither Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob were alive to receive that land. Another reason the Jews going into the promised land cannot have fulfilled this promise is because Paul tells us that the Seed that God was speaking of in that promise was Christ.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ (Gal 3:16 KJV)

The Land was promised to Christ, according to Psalm 2 it is His inheritance.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. {the decree: or, for a decree}
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (Psa 2:7-8 KJV)

Paul also tells us that all things were made for Him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. {for the: or, by the}
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Heb 2:9-10 KJV)

The land is Christ’s inheritance and Paul says of the Christian that they are coheirs with Christ.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom 8:16-17 KJV)

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29 KJV)

Paul says that Seed the promise was made to was Christ and if one is in Christ they are coheirs with Him, they are Abraham’s seed and hers according to the ppromise.
Scripture does teach that we as Christians will spend an eternity in heaven.I don't know where you are getting your teachings from..edited
 
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Scripture does teach that we as Christians will spend an eternity in heaven.I don't know where you are getting your teachings from....

I think it was pretty clear from the passages I posted. However, I'd be happy to entertain any Scripture that teaches Christians will spend eternity in Heaven.
 
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Many people believe that after our time with Him in the heavenlies we are to be with Him on the New Earth (if only heavenly then why be re-united with our bodies?)
 
Many people believe that after our time with Him in the heavenlies we are to be with Him on the New Earth (if only heavenly then why be re-united with our bodies?)

I believe the Scriptures layout the land inheritance pretty clearly. I don't hold the position that man goes into Heaven at any point
 
Do you believe that the soul is re-united with the body?

I believe the spirit (breath of life) is reunited with the body. I believe the soul is the combination of the body and the spirit (breath of live) as per Gen. 2:7
 
I believe the spirit (breath of life) is reunited with the body. I believe the soul is the combination of the body and the spirit (breath of live) as per Gen. 2:7
The soul and the spirit are connected,but separate Hebrews 4:12.The soul is the essence of a human being;it is who we are.The spirit is the aspect of a human that connects with God.
 
The soul and the spirit are connected,but separate Hebrews 4:12.The soul is the essence of a human being;it is who we are.The spirit is the aspect of a human that connects with God.

According to Gen 2:7 a soul is comprised of a body and the breath of life. Are you saying the body is who we are?
 
According to Gen 2:7 a soul is comprised of a body and the breath of life. Are you saying the body is who we are?
The soul and the spirit are connected,but separate Hebrews 4:12.The soul is the essence of a human being;it is who we are.The spirit is the aspect of a human that connects with God.
I believe I said the soul is the essence of a human body.The soul and the body are two different things.The body is everything on you that you can see.When you die the body lies the grave.The soul is within you and that is what goes to heaven to be with the Lord if you are a believer.The body will be resurrected with the soul.
 
The soul and the spirit are connected,but separate Hebrews 4:12.The soul is the essence of a human being;it is who we are.The spirit is the aspect of a human that connects with God.
I believe I said the soul is the essence of a human body.The soul and the body are two different things.The body is everything on you that you can see.When you die the body lies the grave.The soul is within you and that is what goes to heaven to be with the Lord if you are a believer.The body will be resurrected with the soul.

Ok, that's what I thought you were alluding to. I disagree that that is what a soul is. However, we are getting off topic and I'd really like to keep the discussion on the topic of the OP. If you'd like to discuss this topic we can start another thread.
 
Hi Paul,
I believe that is on earth. The temple will be in Jerusalem and Rev. 7 says that God will dwell with them> In Rev 21 we see the new Jerusalem descending to earth and God dwells with men.

Read it again very carefully...they are in the throne room with the angels....
 
Read it again very carefully...they are in the throne room with the angels....

I did read it, I read over the chapter before I replied. Yes they are in the throne room, the throne room is in the temple which is on the earth. The chapter begins with these words.

KJV Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. (Rev 7:1-3 KJV)

The tribulation takes place on the earth out which come those in the white robes. We also know that in the kingdom the temple will be in Jerusalem from which Christ will reign. I don't see anything here that indicates that man's destiny is anything other that the earth.
 
The Blessing of Abraham

In the OP I made a case for the land inheritance, I’d like to continue along that line and add some additional information. As I said in the in OP the land promise was made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The promise to Isaac,

And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.

2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Gen 26:1-5 KJV)

Here God tells Isaac that He will give the land to him and his seed. However, notice that promise is based not on Isaac but rather on Abraham’s faith. Because Abraham obeyed God and kept His commands God is going fulfill this promise through Isaac, the child of promise. God made the same promise to Jacob.

10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. {Haran: Gr. Charran}
11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (Gen 28:10-14 KJV)

Here again we have God promising the land, this time to Jacob. None of these men ever received the land. Paul says they sojourned on it as strangers.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: (Heb 11:8-9 KJV)

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. (Heb 11:13 KJV)

Paul says that they never received the promises, they never received the land that God had promised as an everlasting possession. Paul said they died not having received them. It stands to reason that now the only way they could receive them is through the resurrection. In order for the promise to be fulfilled God will have to give it to them in the Resurrection.

The Blessing of Abraham on the Gentiles

When Isaac sent Jacob off to find a wife he gave him a blessing, the blessing of Abraham. This phrase, “the blessing of Abraham” only appears twice in Scripture, once in Gen 28 and once in Gal 3

KJV Genesis 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.
2 Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother.
3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham. (Gen 28:1-4 KJV)

We see here that the blessing of Abraham is to receive the land inheritance that God promised to Abraham. This is the same land that God promised to them and their seed. The Apostle Paul said that this blessing of Abraham comes on the Gentiles through faith in Christ. Remember, Paul said the Seed that the promises referred to is Christ.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Gal 3:6-14 KJV)


Paul says that the blessing of Abraham comes on the Gentiles through faith in Jesus Christ. We've seen that the blessing of Abraham is the land promised to Abraham and Paul said here in Gal 3 that those which are of faith a blessed with Abraham. He also concludes the chapter by saying,


26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29 KJV)


Paul concludes that those who are of faith in Christ are Abraham’s seed and heir according to the promise. That promise is the land that God promised to Abraham.
 
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