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electedbyhim said:
A few other threads got me thinking about those who claim to be saved.

This has always been a concern for me. When the Lord saved me, I went from prison to a Christian shelter. The early days of my Christianity was very confused to those who claimes to be saved. Speecha and actions never aligned with what we are commanded to do. It has troubled me and was concerned for people who may be self-decieved.

Just making a choice or decision for "Jesus" is not the whole part of saving faith. I have been told in the past it is not right to question anyones salvation, so that you do not give the "believer" wrong ideas. I do not believe that was Biblical advise.

I am wondering where others stand on this teaching. Today it may be called something else.



Grace and peace to you.
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I am glad you are where you are now, and happy that you could see the hypocrisy of the 5% and 10% believers.
But are the 99% believers any better off ?
God has made a way to be a 100% believer, with reciprocal, manifesting actions.
100%ers don't commit Matt 7:23's iniquity. .
 
GodsGrace said:
I know that Mattheew 7:23 is often used to denote those that are saved and those that are not because Jesus states that He did not know them.

This is true. But if we look, Matthew states specifically why Jesus taught that He would not recognize them:
It states that Jesus did not know them BECAUSE they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, those that claim to know God but continue to practice sinning as they did before, will not be recognized by Jesus.

We're told to walk in the spirit, not in the flesh.
We're told to be doers of the word and not only hearers - or we deceive ourselves. (your point exactly).

Jesus asked "Why do you call me Lord and not do as I tell you?"

The gifts from God are grace, faith and salvation.
But for what?
For the good deeds He has prepared for us.
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This is true. But if we look, Matthew states specifically why Jesus taught that He would not recognize them:
It states that Jesus did not know them BECAUSE they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, those that claim to know God but continue to practice sinning as they did before, will not be recognized by Jesus.
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I do not agree with this.

In the context of Matthew 7 Christ is talking about those who are devoted to religion but are self-decieved thinking they are going to heaven. The unbeliever's were claiming they were prophesying and casting out demons in the name of Jesus. Like the nut cases on television and in churches across the world.

Christ said, I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' This implies they had no real personal and initimate relationship with the Lord.

This is the same thing with those who claim to be a Christian and "know" Christ, but are self-decieved.

I will agree with you that those who are living (practice) in sin and claim to be Christian are on the same road to hell.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
I am glad you are where you are now, and happy that you could see the hypocrisy of the 5% and 10% believers.
But are the 99% believers any better off ?
God has made a way to be a 100% believer, with reciprocal, manifesting actions.
100%ers don't commit Matt 7:23's iniquity. .
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All regenerated humans struggle with sin and even commit sin from time to time.

This thread is not about that.
 
electedbyhim said:
I do not agree with this.

In the context of Matthew 7 Christ is talking about those who are devoted to religion but are self-decieved thinking they are going to heaven. The unbeliever's were claiming they were prophesying and casting out demons in the name of Jesus. Like the nut cases on television and in churches across the world.

Christ said, I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' This implies they had no real personal and initimate relationship with the Lord.

This is the same thing with those who claim to be a Christian and "know" Christ, but are self-decieved.

I will agree with you that those who are living (practice) in sin and claim to be Christian are on the same road to hell.
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I think we kind of agree.
It's a small nuance....I could live with it.
We're basically saying the same thing using different words.

They were casting out demons using Jesus' name, but were not committed to Him and were still living in sin.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
I am glad you are where you are now, and happy that you could see the hypocrisy of the 5% and 10% believers.
But are the 99% believers any better off ?
God has made a way to be a 100% believer, with reciprocal, manifesting actions.
100%ers don't commit Matt 7:23's iniquity. .
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PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THIS THREAD AS PER THE REQUEST OF THE OP.
THANKS.
 
electedbyhim

We had a member on here a few years ago that stated he could do whatever he wanted and still be saved. I believe Charles Stanley teaches this, or something similar.

I think this puts souls in danger.
 
GodsGrace said:
electedbyhim

We had a member on here a few years ago that stated he could do whatever he wanted and still be saved. I believe Charles Stanley teaches this, or something similar.

I think this puts souls in danger.
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Yes, there is alot of false teachers out there. I am not sure where they think the Bible teaches such a thing.

I have heard Stanley and think I have read some of his stuff way before I was saved. I do not recall if he teaches this. If he does he will be held accountable.

It is very sad.
 
GodsGrace said:
I don't understand what you're saying.
Unregenerate persons are not born again.

In Matthew 7:23 Jesus clearly states WHY He did not know some...
because they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, a person could say they're Christian all the want to, if they don't demonstrate it, then I doubt they're really Christian. However, many things come into play which is why it's not US who are to determine who is saved and who is not. That's only for God to know.

Maybe they're new Christians and are not aware of many things older Christians know.

Matthew teaches that Jesus does not like the lawless.
He will not recognize the lawless...whether or not they think they're saved.

I think this is what the OP is about.
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Basically everyone is a sinner. You dont understand that ?
 
GodsGrace said:
I know that Mattheew 7:23 is often used to denote those that are saved and those that are not because Jesus states that He did not know them.

This is true. But if we look, Matthew states specifically why Jesus taught that He would not recognize them:
It states that Jesus did not know them BECAUSE they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, those that claim to know God but continue to practice sinning as they did before, will not be recognized by Jesus.

We're told to walk in the spirit, not in the flesh.
We're told to be doers of the word and not only hearers - or we deceive ourselves. (your point exactly).

Jesus asked "Why do you call me Lord and not do as I tell you?"

The gifts from God are grace, faith and salvation.
But for what?
For the good deeds He has prepared for us.
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I believe if Jesus says He doesnt know you, He rejects you as one of His Sheep He died for, He rejects you as one of His and He could not have Loved you or died for you.

He knows His Sheep He died for, as sinful as they were by nature Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

2 Tim 2:19


Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 
GodsGrace said:
electedbyhim

We had a member on here a few years ago that stated he could do whatever he wanted and still be saved. I believe Charles Stanley teaches this, or something similar.

I think this puts souls in danger.
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GodsGrace, maybe more to the point; if one can do whatever one wants (habitual sin without conviction) is that person truly saved?

I have a hard time believing Stanley teaches this. I have found his teaching to be very sound.

Do you have proof. This is a strong accusation.
If he said this he needs to be called on it.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Are you reneging on the OP's stand on 5%ers and 10%ers ?
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This has nothing to do with sinless perfection as you like to preach that heresy in this forum.

If you think your thoughts and actions are not tainted by sin you are self-decieved.

On the internet we can claim anything we want about ourselves, who would be the wiser?

The Lord knows your heart.

You miss the point of my O.P.
 
electedbyhim said:
This has nothing to do with sinless perfection as you like to preach that heresy in this forum.

If you think your thoughts and actions are not tainted by sin you are self-decieved.

On the internet we can claim anything we want about ourselves, who would be the wiser?

The Lord knows your heart.

You miss the point of my O.P.
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It isn't a heresy.
It is called the doctrine which is according to godliness in 1 Tim 6:3.
 
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