Easy-believism

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A few other threads got me thinking about those who claim to be saved.

This has always been a concern for me. When the Lord saved me, I went from prison to a Christian shelter. The early days of my Christianity was very confused to those who claimes to be saved. Speecha and actions never aligned with what we are commanded to do. It has troubled me and was concerned for people who may be self-decieved.

Just making a choice or decision for "Jesus" is not the whole part of saving faith. I have been told in the past it is not right to question anyones salvation, so that you do not give the "believer" wrong ideas. I do not believe that was Biblical advise.

I am wondering where others stand on this teaching. Today it may be called something else.

What is “easy-believism”?

The term “easy-believism” is a usually derogatory label, used to characterize the faulty understanding of the nature of saving faith adhered to by much of contemporary Evangelicalism, most notably (and extremely) by such Dispensational authors as Charles Ryrie and Zane Hodges. The term was popularized in an ongoing debate between Hodges, to whose theology the label “easy-believism” was affixed, and John MacArthur, to whom the term “lordship salvation” came to be applied.

Essentially, the teaching of “easy-believism” (which proponents prefer to call “free grace,” or some similar term), asserts that the faith which saves is mere intellectual assent to the truths of the gospel, accompanied by an appeal to Christ for salvation (at the end of his life, Hodges embraced the even more extreme position that salvation requires only an appeal to Christ, even by one who does not believe the most basic truths of the gospel, such as his death, burial, and resurrection [which he clearly taught, for example, in “The Hydra's Other Head: Theological Legalism,” printed in the Grace In Focus Newsletter]). According to proponents of the “free grace” movement (i.e. “easy-believism”), it is not required of the one appealing for salvation that he be willing to submit to the Lordship of Christ. In fact, at least according to some proponents, the person appealing for salvation may at the same time be willfully refusing to obey the commands of Christ; but because he has intellectual faith, he will still be saved, in spite of his ongoing rebellion.

“Easy-believism” is usually connected with Dispensationalism, which serves as a foundational theological support for it. According to classic Dispensationalism, the gospel which Jesus proclaimed on earth was a gospel for the ethnic Jews alone, promising them earthly rewards in the Jewish millennium for their works of submitting to and following Christ; and this “gospel of the Kingdom” is categorically different from the Gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone which Paul later proclaimed. In this way, all of Jesus' teachings that, if anyone is not willing to leave father and mother and take up his cross and follow him, he cannot be his disciple, do not apply to the gospel of grace, but only to the gospel of the Kingdom. But contrary to this flawed method of interpretation, there is only one gospel in the New Testament, which Jesus proclaimed on earth, and which his apostles likewise proclaimed throughout the whole world after his ascension. And this gospel declares that all who repent (that is turn from sin and rebellion to Christ the Lord) and call upon the Name of Christ in true faith will be saved. Even in Paul's writings, moreover, it is clear that anyone who perverts the gospel of grace alone, and uses it to continue presumptuously in sin, is bringing just damnation upon himself (Romans 3:8).

In much of Evangelicalism, the flippant sort of “once saved, always saved” mentality, which denies that true grace will always prove itself in faith and works, is closely related to an “easy-believism” mindset, which suggests that intellectual belief alone, which does not go on to pursue a life of true holiness, is the kind of faith that saves (see questions 66-68 above). When the gospel is understood biblically, it becomes clear that both faith and obedience assume the prior existence of spiritual life. As J.I. Packer wisely commented, "sinners cannot obey the gospel, any more than the law, without renewal of heart." Understanding this as foundational biblical truth, we know that salvation not only saves us from the guilt of sin but from its power.

Grace and peace to you.
 
Just making a choice or decision for "Jesus" is not the whole part of saving faith.
While it may not be the whole part it is the most important part , without the choice or decision made for Jesus you will never become a Christain .
 
While it may not be the whole part it is the most important part , without the choice or decision made for Jesus you will never become a Christain .
I elieve the most important part is obedeince.

Even the demons believe in Jesus.

To many people in church just say a prayer, walk the aisele and tht pastor or whoever prayed with them, tell them that they are going to heaven.

That is false assurance from that Pastor to the person who walked the ailse or prayed a prayer.
 
I elieve the most important part is obedeince.

Even the demons believe in Jesus.

To many people in church just say a prayer, walk the aisele and tht pastor or whoever prayed with them, tell them that they are going to heaven.

That is false assurance from that Pastor to the person who walked the ailse or prayed a prayer.
John 6:36
 
John 6:36
John 6:36 “But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.

This is very sad.

I could not even imagine seeing Jesus perform miracles, live a sinless life and walk and talk what He preached, and then just not believe.
 
We only believe something to the extent that we act upon it.

To obey is to exercise faith in God and His revelation; to disobey is tantamount to unbelief or disbelief for to the degree we do not obey we also do not believe. John 3:36 And he who believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him. [God’s displeasure remains on him; His indignation hangs over him continually.] Keep in mind that our obedience (works) do not save us; rather, our obedience is the effect of our saving faith which God granted to us (the elect).


Our love for God is not defined by fondness or admiration, but obedience. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome… (1 John 5:3) This is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. (2 John 1:6); John 3:36. And only a true Christian can love God as defined by these verses – he obeys the commands of God, and submits to him in thought and action. Of course a Christian is also fond of God, but it is a feigned fondness if he does not also obey the divine commands in the Bible.
Repentance, [the effect of believing] is just as essential to salvation as is believing. Again, we read that, “wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead” (James 2:20). A “simple faith” which remains alone, a faith which does not purify the heart (Acts 15:9), work by love (Galatians 5:6), and overcome the world (1 John 5:4), will save nobody.

If there is an absence in your obedience, you are on the way to Hell.
(tough pill to swallow)

yahda, yahda ... various authors
 
Even the demons believe in Jesus.
I always chuckle when I see this said . The demons KNOW who God is , they KNOW who Jesus is . Matthew 8

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


Knowing is a lot different from believing .
 
Knowing is a lot different from believing .
??????
The verse compares people and demons both BELIEVING ..... how do you insert KNOWING into this context?
What does Mat 8:28-29 have to do with KNOWING/BELIEVING? You lost me.

Scripture says people and demons BELIEVE God is one.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that— and shudder.
 
I always chuckle when I see this said . The demons KNOW who God is , they KNOW who Jesus is . Matthew 8

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


Knowing is a lot different from believing .
Please explain.
 
??????
The verse compares people and demons both BELIEVING ..... how do you insert KNOWING into this context?
What does Mat 8:28-29 have to do with KNOWING/BELIEVING? You lost me.

Scripture says people and demons BELIEVE God is one.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that— and shudder.

I did not reply to a verse , I replied to a statement and here it is again .

Even the demons believe in Jesus.
What do you know of demons Fastfredy0 ?
 
John 6:36 “But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.

This is very sad.

I could not even imagine seeing Jesus perform miracles, live a sinless life and walk and talk what He preached, and then just not believe.
I meant John 3:36. Sorry.
. 36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Just before this John was saying that God had given the Words of God to the Son and that God has put everything into the hands of the Son.

If this is true then easy believism cannot be true.
It's a term that has been coined to represent what you stated in your OP.
It's a person that believes he just has to "believe" in Jesus and he'll be saved.

This is not what Jesus taught. He taught that we must also do good works.
This means not only being neutral, but actually doing good deeds.

Also, the word BELIEVE means that we don't believe intellectually but with the heart and are willing
to follow the teachings of the One in whom we believe - Jesus.

A good term for this is Lordship Salvation.
(the opposite of easy believism).

Some want Jesus to be their Savior, but not their Lord.
We need both...to trust in Jesus as Savior and to obey Him as Lord.
 
Please explain.
Knowing is different from believing....@Hawkman is correct.

I know the escalator goes up....
But do I believe it'll bring me up?

The demons know who God is.
They know more about Him than we do.

But they don't TRUST God....
They don't follow His teachings.
I must know and trust the escalator in order to get on it to go up.

They have a mental belief, but not the type of belief necessary for salvation.
A person may KNOW about Jesus,,,,
But does he trust Jesus for his salvation?
 
While it may not be the whole part it is the most important part , without the choice or decision made for Jesus you will never become a Christain .
True. Without faith you could do all the good deeds you care to...
it'll benefit humanity, but it won't benefit your soul.
Faith is a necessary ingredient and comes before good deeds done for God's Kingdom.
 
A few other threads got me thinking about those who claim to be saved.

This has always been a concern for me. When the Lord saved me, I went from prison to a Christian shelter. The early days of my Christianity was very confused to those who claimes to be saved. Speecha and actions never aligned with what we are commanded to do. It has troubled me and was concerned for people who may be self-decieved.

Just making a choice or decision for "Jesus" is not the whole part of saving faith. I have been told in the past it is not right to question anyones salvation, so that you do not give the "believer" wrong ideas. I do not believe that was Biblical advise.

I am wondering where others stand on this teaching. Today it may be called something else.



Grace and peace to you.
Hey All,
electedbyhim, The decision to receive Jesus is the just the beginning of saving faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Most believers know verses Ephesians 2:8-9. But ya gotta add verse 10 to understand the what then aspect of salvation.
We were made new creatures, God's workmanship, that we might be made useful for His kingdom. We are to walk in good works. Which means good works should be simple as walking. A smile, a hug, helping the elderly. These can be good works if they are done to the glory of God.

Do good works.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Knowing is different from believing....@Hawkman is correct.

I know the escalator goes up....
But do I believe it'll bring me up?

The demons know who God is.
They know more about Him than we do.

But they don't TRUST God....
They don't follow His teachings.
I must know and trust the escalator in order to get on it to go up.

They have a mental belief, but not the type of belief necessary for salvation.
A person may KNOW about Jesus,,,,
But does he trust Jesus for his salvation?
I agree because the belivers that claim to be Christian know about the Lord, so their belief is the same as knowing God.

Knowing not in the intimate sense of knowing the Lord.

That is what Jesus meant in Matthew 7:23. The word knew was and intimate realtionship with Christ, which they did not have.

Matthew 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
 
John 6:36 “But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.

This is very sad.

I could not even imagine seeing Jesus perform miracles, live a sinless life and walk and talk what He preached, and then just not believe.
But yet is proves the depravity of man by nature, blindness by nature, and the necessity of having to have the Gift of Believing on Christ given us Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
 
I agree because the belivers that claim to be Christian know about the Lord, so their belief is the same as knowing God.

Knowing not in the intimate sense of knowing the Lord.

That is what Jesus meant in Matthew 7:23. The word knew was and intimate realtionship with Christ, which they did not have.

Matthew 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
I know that Mattheew 7:23 is often used to denote those that are saved and those that are not because Jesus states that He did not know them.

This is true. But if we look, Matthew states specifically why Jesus taught that He would not recognize them:
It states that Jesus did not know them BECAUSE they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, those that claim to know God but continue to practice sinning as they did before, will not be recognized by Jesus.

We're told to walk in the spirit, not in the flesh.
We're told to be doers of the word and not only hearers - or we deceive ourselves. (your point exactly).

Jesus asked "Why do you call me Lord and not do as I tell you?"

The gifts from God are grace, faith and salvation.
But for what?
For the good deeds He has prepared for us.
 
GodsGrace

This is true. But if we look, Matthew states specifically why Jesus taught that He would not recognize them:
It states that Jesus did not know them BECAUSE they practiced lawlessness.

Everybody does as unregenerate sinners, even those who God foreknew. And He never stated that was the cause why He never knew them
 
GodsGrace



Everybody does as unregenerate sinners, even those who God foreknew. And He never stated that was the cause why He never knew them
I don't understand what you're saying.
Unregenerate persons are not born again.

In Matthew 7:23 Jesus clearly states WHY He did not know some...
because they practiced lawlessness.

IOW, a person could say they're Christian all the want to, if they don't demonstrate it, then I doubt they're really Christian. However, many things come into play which is why it's not US who are to determine who is saved and who is not. That's only for God to know.

Maybe they're new Christians and are not aware of many things older Christians know.

Matthew teaches that Jesus does not like the lawless.
He will not recognize the lawless...whether or not they think they're saved.

I think this is what the OP is about.
 
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