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Thekjv said:
that is under the old law which was done away with and why in Matt 23 Jesus made it clear to stop the practice of calling church leaders Father or Rabbi. The vail was broken the old is gone away.
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Isa 22 refers to Christ the king!
 
Thekjv said:
that is under the old law which was done away with and why in Matt 23 Jesus made it clear to stop the practice of calling church leaders Father or Rabbi. The vail was broken the old is gone away.
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The veil referred to that fact that heaven was closed not to an end to ordained ministerial priesthood

Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” “low priests” under the authority of Christ the “high priest”!

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
 
donadams said:
The veil referred to that fact that heaven was closed not to an end to ordained ministerial priesthood

Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” “low priests” under the authority of Christ the “high priest”!

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
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Got Questions.org; This may not be your belief but is mine.

So, what do we make of this? What significance does this torn veil have for us today? Above all, the tearing of the veil at the moment of Jesus’ death dramatically symbolized that His sacrifice, the shedding of His own blood, was a sufficient atonement for sins. It signified that now the way into the Holy of Holies was open for all people, for all time, both Jew and Gentile.

When Jesus died, the veil was torn, and God moved out of that place never again to dwell in a temple made with human hands (Acts 17:24). God was through with that temple and its religious system, and the temple and Jerusalem were left “desolate” (destroyed by the Romans) in A.D. 70, just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 13:35. As long as the temple stood, it signified the continuation of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 9:8-9 refers to the age that was passing away as the new covenant was being established (Hebrews 8:13). Also Eph 2: 1 -15 says old law done away with even the commandments. we no longer need any of the old law God will write in our hearts laws and commandments for us to follow. And Matt 23 shows do not call church leaders Father or Rabbi and that means do not call apostles Father or Rabbi imo
 
Thekjv said:
Got Questions.org; This may not be your belief but is mine.

So, what do we make of this? What significance does this torn veil have for us today? Above all, the tearing of the veil at the moment of Jesus’ death dramatically symbolized that His sacrifice, the shedding of His own blood, was a sufficient atonement for sins. It signified that now the way into the Holy of Holies was open for all people, for all time, both Jew and Gentile.

When Jesus died, the veil was torn, and God moved out of that place never again to dwell in a temple made with human hands (Acts 17:24). God was through with that temple and its religious system, and the temple and Jerusalem were left “desolate” (destroyed by the Romans) in A.D. 70, just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 13:35. As long as the temple stood, it signified the continuation of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 9:8-9 refers to the age that was passing away as the new covenant was being established (Hebrews 8:13). Also Eph 2: 1 -15 says old law done away with even the commandments. we no longer need any of the old law God will write in our hearts laws and commandments for us to follow. And Matt 23 shows do not call church leaders Father or Rabbi and that means do not call apostles Father or Rabbi imo
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Is Jesus high priest?
 
Thekjv said:
the apostles were appointed to preach and teach the New Covenant that in Eph 2 the old covenant was done away with
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The apostles have jurisdictional authority in the new covenant the kingdom Lk 22:29
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Christ is the Head of the church, not Peter.
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I did not say that, christ said s the head of the church, but He ascended to heaven and appointed Peter head in His place to administer the kingdom
Lk 22:29 Isa 22:21-22 Matt 16:18-19 and the apostles in union with Peter Matt 18:18 eph 2:20
Thanks
 
Thekjv said:
I agree but they are not to be called Rabbi or Father.
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Thekjv said:
Calling some one priests is ok calling priests teachers preachers pastors wise men seers are not to be called Rabbi or Father.
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Calling priests "father" in the sense of addressing a priest as father is not wrong.
Saying it is wrong based on Mt 23:9 is the fallacy of equivocation.
 
Thekjv said:
The New covenant done away with old covenant traditions rules regulations and laws
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Heb 9:10
Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new so there are many similarities
 
Example we still have a high priest!
And low priests of the same ministerial order and the royal priesthood of the faithful
 
Thekjv said:
Calling some one priests is ok calling priests teachers preachers pastors wise men seers are not to be called Rabbi or Father.
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We are supposed to be instructed

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
 
Acts 13:1
Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

2 Timothy 1:11
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
 
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